Haloid1177
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I'm glad I'm not the only person to have said that now.
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I'm glad I'm not the only person to have said that now.
The Outsider
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100% agree. It's fucking garbage.
I imagine Sony's involvement was overstated in the press report, I doubt they would have too much control now that the character plays a role in the larger MCU - Feige would never allow it.
BewareTheBatsie
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I mean, reading up on some cut things from Amazing Spider-Man 2 makes it look like it could have been more of a trainwreck. Electro's mother apparently was originally going to be paid to pretend to be in a wheelchair by people at OsCorp because fuck Max Dillion I guess.
ScreenSplitter
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Emotional scene for me is probably the "hand hold" in Guardians. Yes, it's a little cheesy, but wow is Tyler Bates' score underrated.
For me it's when Chris reading the letter.
Freewheelin'
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The moment the web shaped into a hand reaching out for her, I could not take it seriously.
lol, yeah this was stupid. But the emotions of it and the fact that it's really one of Peter's main squeezes dying for the first time on screen make the whole scene fantastic.
Also lol at this line from Electro. It's AWFUL.
"It's my birthday. Now it's time for me to light my candles."
In a way I kind of really wish they didn't do the Peggy/Steve scene in Winter Soldier. I would have ended Winter Soldier with Steve asking a really old Peggy for a dance. I think that would have been a more fitting bow-tie to the "I had a date" ending of The First Avenger, plus it would have tied in nicely with the deleted scene in The Avengers where Cap seems to contemplate calling Peggy.
Yeah, that line + the cut to black got a similar reaction when I saw it too. That was the perfect way to end that movie. In general I would say the first Captain America movie isn't perfect but it has a bunch of really good Steve Rogers character moments, that final scene being one of them.
The other scene in Cap 1 that got a big audience reaction was when Cap said "i cant get drunk", and then my audience groaned in pain.
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Yeah, that line + the cut to black got a similar reaction when I saw it too. That was the perfect way to end that movie. In general I would say the first Captain America movie isn't perfect but it has a bunch of really good Steve Rogers character moments, that final scene being one of them.
The other scene in Cap 1 that got a big audience reaction was when Cap said "i cant get drunk", and then my audience groaned in pain.
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BrokenFiction
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Yep. I get all choked up with that scene, especially when I think of all the life she lived and then suddenly Steve shows up looking no different than he did 70 years ago.
Dave_6
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Fantastic scene, still gets me to this day and I watched that movie a ton when I was a kid.
Father_Brain
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It's impossible to say for sure from the outside. But if Feige signed a deal with Sony that didn't strictly limit how much creative control they could exert over the 2017 film (and its inevitable sequels), even after ASM2... he's a lot dumber than his reputation would suggest.
The moment the web shaped into a hand reaching out for her, I could not take it seriously.
I remember laughing so hard when the web formed little fingers.
It's just so absurd!
Raimi deserves another shot at Spider-Man :3
brandonh83
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Gents...
Even if I thought ASM2 was fucking terrible I would still find this to be ridiculous.
A lot of people talk about how RDJ was the perfect choice for Stark, but if I was going to make a list of the best superhero castings of all time I'd put Chris Evans as Cap above RDJ as Iron Man. Evans is so convincing as Cap that I forget he's an actor playing a role, while RDJ is (to an extent) still playing a caricature of himself.
CloudyTuba
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Before him, I actively disliked the character beyond a few choice moments in the books. Today, Evans Cap is my favorite MCU hero. He's really just perfection. He's made the character real in a way I never thought was possible. Of course, credit to the writing as well. He's got that same honest warmth that Reeve's Superman had. He's sort of my modern equivalent of that since Superman has been taken in a different direction.
Exactly. People like to accuse those who aren't crazy about the movie of being autistic supernerds who have a hard-on for their comic books. Some people just aren't big fans of the performances or Raimi's choices.
I don't tell anyone that Spider-man 2 is a bad movie. I think it's a solid movie. It's just not my style. I don't like the cheesy tone of that series, I dont like a lot of the dialogue, and I don't like Tobey's consistently sleepy performance. He's a frustrating and boring protagonist not only due to performance but due to writing.
Moving on to fan reasons, the characters are also very far away from the versions of them I enjoy, which are less "an incredibly, ridiculously specific version of the comics" (As brandon accuses) and more "the way they've been for the past 30 years." Raimi's spidey is more awkward 60s, which is fine, but just not enjoyable for me to watch. And his Ock is unlike any version of the character. I actually really enjoy Molina's Ock as a character and a performance, it just feels like a different character than the one it is intended to be. Him and J.K. are my primary reasons for rewatching that movie.
I think saying SM2 is awful as a movie is kind of ridiculous, it was a well made movie carried by its enjoyable villain. But it's just not my style for a variety of reasons. In that regard I found ASM1 much more satisfying. Less cheesy, more natural feeling with an energetic lead. A much better Spider-man movie.
But then ASM2 came and ruined anything they might have gotten right about the first one and now they are unfortunately forever lumped together as a failure. There are really only two things I liked about ASM2: The costume and the scenes with the kid and the science project.
Regardless of the trainwreck that happened with ASM2, ASM1 alone was enough to cement Andrew as my Spider-man. Your move, Tom!
Sibersk Esto
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Both really. Electro, dr Kafka at the sanitarium, post YOU'RE A FRAUD SPIDER MAN Harry, Rhino are all just as jarringly cartoony as anything in Batman and Robin.
At least Batman and Robin was less obnoxious
SmackAttack
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brandonh83
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At least you're sensible and not calling it factually bad. Of course I don't pin that on everyone as I addressed earlier, but it's certainly a thing.
I mean I can say this about most villains in most superhero movies including the ones that are universally acclaimed. Yes it has some super cheesy stuff in it and cheesy villains. It's a Spider-man movie. The difference between that and something like Batman and Robin is that the latter is a poorly directed, acted, all the above movie. ASM2 has cheesy shit in it, but it's well directed and acted, and has some genuinely great and moving moments thanks to the cast and crew. It's in a completely other league than something like the Schumacher Batman movies.
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I honestly think pretty much all MCU casts thus far are absolutely spot on. Now if they'd only let Renner finally play actual Hawkguy.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
I think it helps that we've seen him physically transform in the context of the movies too. While we all saw Tony go from quippy alcoholic to quippy Iron Man, I actually get the sense that Rogers has developed and has a lot of inner turmoil.
Iron Man made the bank but Cap had the heart. Evans has done a fabulous job and I'm gonna be gutted to see him go one day. I'm glad that the FF movie didn't ruin his chances at being another superhero.
yeah that one hit home
PhoncipleBone
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Thank you for this.
Discotheque
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As much as I disliked amazing spiderman 2 I think the scene with spiderman and the kid with the science project is the best superhero moment in ANY comic book film in the last few years
I loved it.
And yeah that's a great post from brandon. Absolutely agree with that.
I loved it.
And yeah that's a great post from brandon. Absolutely agree with that.
BewareTheBatsie
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Were Shailene Woodley's scenes as Mary-Jane ever released? I know she filmed a few and they got cut, but I don't think they were ever released.
brandonh83
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No and let's hope they never do for the sake of the human race. She's so bad that they cut her from the movie and was going to recast for Amazing 3 before it was canned altogether.
Nothing big nor we haven't seen before.
The Outsider
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I'm shamelessly plugging myself here, but I wrote this back when the movie came out. Reading it now, I don't think it came out as witty as I probably wanted it to, but it definitely hits on a lot of the points where I think TASM2 was a trainwreck on pretty much every level. So, no, I don't find the comparison ridiculous.
BewareTheBatsie
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Are you joking or were they actually looking to recast for the third film?
brandonh83
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It's fine to think of it a trainwreck, opinions and all. But saying it's on the level of that is just not something I can get behind, like at all.
Not joking. They filmed scenes with her and cut them. She was only going to appear a handful of times and originally showed up near the end to tell Gwen that she didn't mind her dating Peter (I think something in the original script was that MJ and Peter were flirty and Gwen was gonna step aside). That's when she went back to Peter, instead of how it happened in the movie where Peter did the web lettering on the bridge and stopped her from boarding her flight.
CloudyTuba
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It's really a shame that such a perfect, shining light of a scene was wrapped in the shit burrito that was ASM2. There are definitely lessons to be learned in all of the past spider-man movies for anyone involved in future productions.
Sibersk Esto
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I would have loved to see the reaction if the filmmakers kept the scene that shows that Peter's dad is totally alive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=GU_ASBoCTHc
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Discotheque
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I doubt she was terrible. She hasn't put out a basura performance before.
I think they realized how stupid it would be to introduce mary jane in a movie with gwen dying and especially considering how that relationship was one of the things that was really liked about the previous film.
If they were to make a third movie she'd be in that one
I think they realized how stupid it would be to introduce mary jane in a movie with gwen dying and especially considering how that relationship was one of the things that was really liked about the previous film.
If they were to make a third movie she'd be in that one
BewareTheBatsie
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Oh, I see. Thanks for telling me! I always just assumed she got cut because they wanted to focus on the Peter/Gwen romance, and that the movie already had a billion and one characters in it.
brandonh83
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She's strikingly horrendous in the Divergent movies. The last I heard they were going to recast, but I think they were keeping quiet about it, you know to not be in poor form about it and just have the recast happen naturally. And that's what "I heard" which could be bullshit as people hear all kinds of shit about everything so to correct myself from above, I'm not 100% sure they were going to recast. It just seemed likely going by everything.
http://www.slashfilm.com/amazing-spider-man-3-shailene-woodley-mary-jane/
Awful feature because of that. It should either work on mobile or be removed so people went back to posting URLs instead.
FunkyPajamas
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Yep, that one was personal for me. It hits hard every time I watch that scene.
It's the best.
The Amazing movies had some neat visuals.
Even SM3 has some pretty awesome visuals.
Maybe it's just easy to make Spider-man look good.
The Russo brothers better not screw it up with their manic editing.See, to me this is where Marvel excels and also, surprisingly, where having "Oscar-winners" or "Oscar-nominated" actors really doesn't matter (not that superheroes don't have legions of them).
It doesn't matter if they're acclaimed or won awards for it, to me Robert Downey Jr.'s turn as Tony Stark is iconic in a way that most Oscar-winner's performances never are. It doesn't matter that Chris Evans has so many hit-and-miss acting roles and probably won't ever win an Oscar; his turn as Steve Rogers is FLAWLESS. Chris Hemsworth IS Thor, Tom Hiddleston IS Loki, Paul Bettany IS Vision, Chris Pratt IS Star-Lord... They're so good at their roles, I struggle heavily to see anyone else step into their shoes (it'll happen one day, but it'll be an uphill casting process).
So in this regard, I think of a friend who rubbed it in my face that Batman v Superman has all these Oscar-nominated actors and talent involved... which is by no means a detriment... but I think Marvel's greatest asset is finding the RIGHT people - not necessarily the most famous or most acclaimed - and matching the right actor to the right role. And, to their credit, they're not above recasting until they feel they get it right.
Long-winded way of saying Chris Evans knocks it out of the park and he's contributions to how good these movies are can't be overstated.
Sibersk Esto
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Probably better for Woodley. She wasn't in a complete bomb AND didn't have to deal with nerds arguing that she wasn't hot enough.
Bobby Roberts
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They weren't planning on recasting Woodley, I don't think. The rumor at the time was that they cut her due to the backlash (and it was notable) that she wasn't attractive enough to be MJ.
That was a thing that happened.
Anyway, said rumor wasn't true, they cut her because her role was a setup for the third film, but Webb realized he'd completely overstuffed the second film and all the notes and such the studio was handing down led to him trimming that entire angle out. The idea was that some of that footage would be repurposed for the third movie, or cut back into the second for the blu-ray release.
Then of course, the movie wasn't great, didn't make much money, and the studio itself basically shit its pants in a variety of ways, culminating in the leak stripping the diaper off and showing Sony's stained ass to the whole world. So Woodley's run as MJ ended before it could start.
Anyway: Woodley was hired to be MJ, studio fucked the second film pretty badly, her scenes got cut, and the whole endeavor went to shit not too long thereafter, which was fine with her because she'd signed onto Divergent already.
That was a thing that happened.
Anyway, said rumor wasn't true, they cut her because her role was a setup for the third film, but Webb realized he'd completely overstuffed the second film and all the notes and such the studio was handing down led to him trimming that entire angle out. The idea was that some of that footage would be repurposed for the third movie, or cut back into the second for the blu-ray release.
Then of course, the movie wasn't great, didn't make much money, and the studio itself basically shit its pants in a variety of ways, culminating in the leak stripping the diaper off and showing Sony's stained ass to the whole world. So Woodley's run as MJ ended before it could start.
Anyway: Woodley was hired to be MJ, studio fucked the second film pretty badly, her scenes got cut, and the whole endeavor went to shit not too long thereafter, which was fine with her because she'd signed onto Divergent already.
brandonh83
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Going by her scheduling they may have had to recast anyway.
broncobuster
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The Amazing movies had some neat visuals.
Even SM3 has some pretty awesome visuals.
Maybe it's just easy to make Spider-man look good.
This from ASM2 is cool. Perfect suit and stance.
Bobby Roberts
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True, although looking at the timeline of how quickly everything went to shit and how poorly any attempt at restructuring was going, I'm betting her interviews for Divergent were less a reflection on their not wanting her to be involved and more on the studio's total ineptitude.
"I have no clue what's up" probably wasn't so much "they don't want me anymore" as it was "Nobody knows what the fuck is up over there. And for the few weeks I was involved, I don't know if that's the kind of atmosphere I want in on anyway."
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