And later with Ester Quintana. But at least that lead to changes like banning the weapons that injured her and also how mossos approach certain situations.
The only thing brutalized that night were the police cars:
Those are different events. The removal of items from a car involved the Guardia Urbana (municipal police), not the Guardia Civil (Spanish gendarmerie, shown there). There was some talk about weapons being taken from one of the cars and later returned, but that sounds highly unsustained given the ausence of further news.
Ah, so it was two different events then? The vandalized cars and the stealing of evidence? Sorry, I thought it all happened the same night. My bad.
Please, the 'Govern' is just one part of the 'procés'. They lie? Sure, they may lie, just like most politicians, don't tell the whole truth. Spanish politicians also said 'Apoyaré el estatut....' or they say we don't teach spanish in the schools, and that we indoctrinate, or that there's a problem with cataln -spanish , this has been their fuel for ages. So everybody lies and tells a gimped version of the truth.
I think people outside think it's just about money and nationalism. Catalonia was doing well compared to the rest of Spain, so why leave and risk everything? Were people from Catalonia discriminated against or suppressed? Can someone from Barcelona get a job and apartment in Madrid?
You can't ask people to dedicate their lives to a cause which is tangential to them, just like no one is asking you to drop everything else and help the people of Galicia with the aftermath of the fires for example. You should be grateful that people showed you their support in the first place and not think that you're the center of the world. You remind me of those Brexiters who think Brexit is at the front page of every newspaper in the world everyday.
Sorry but you don't get to decide that. I don't want Cataluña to leave, I don't hate catalans and I think that the catalan and the spanish govs are doing an extremely poor job handling the issue, I think that the referendum was a farce, that it's results don't have any legitimacy and that the current Catalan gov doesn't have any right to proclaim independency. I also think that the police actions were disgusting, that this should have consequences, that the gov should have negotiated long time ago and that a legal referendum should be held.
Yup I understand, I'm basque and had to live through ETA's most violent time, so you can imagine...that gives me some perspective that the situation is not as bad as it could be, but it still sucks, we're all trapped between some inept politicians who are only making everything worse. All my support for you, hope we arrive at some good solution somehow. I hope no one does anything we all have to regret later
Yup I understand, I'm basque and had to live through ETA's most violent time, so you can imagine...that gives me some perspective that the situation is not as bad as it could be, but it still sucks, we're all trapped between some inept politicians who are only making everything worse. All my support for you, hope we arrive at some good solution somehow. I hope no one does anything we all have to regret later
That is true. But the requirement was clear, back down or we continue with the 155 (and remember it was a binary choice if the answer wasn't we stop it would be understood as a they are going for it).
Puigdemont has "suspended" independence for "dialogue". Spain has no clue what this means. Do they want dialogue over more autonomy, over how and when they declare independence? Catalonia has backed itself into a corner with holding a referendum and now unwilling to either commit to independence or let it go.
Totally unclear what he wants. What is this "dialogue" he keeps going on about? They did not declare independence, but they did suspend the effects of the referendum, which asked if Catalonia wanted independence. So... how can you suspend something you did not declare.
I ask again: what dialogue? What are the topics to be discussed here? Do you expect Spain to talk about how Catalonia can declare independence in the best way?
Suspensions implies that he did declare independence though. Because that was the thing the referendum asked people about.
Puigdemont says ' supend the effects of the referendum. Those effects would mean declare independence. If you suspend that, unless i am very limited, which may be the case, means you suspend the act of declaring independence. I wasn't very good at language though.
Then you expect them to sit down together with no clue what the discussion will be about?
He says he wants independence. If that is what he wants to talk about, it is useless, since Spain doesn't accept that.
Puigdemont keeps repeating the whole "we want dialogue" act so he can keep playing victim when the evil, oprressive Spain brings Catalonia back into constitutional order with 155.
