CBS: 46,000 Pennsylvania Democrats have switched to Republican due to Trump
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Why would he randomly reference Michigan then? Seemed like a totally random reference. I assumed he was trying to point out that the polls are all inaccurate or whatever.
Hari Seldon
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Blue collar workers have been shit on too much by globalism and this is the price the Republicans in particular are going to pay.
SliceSabre
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Trump is going to be our president, isn't he?
The D superpacs won't need much help- he's incredibly unpopular w/ the general electorate.
He's not even getting majorities of the GOP vote.
Because Michigan is necessary for Trump to win with a lot of blue-collar workers and there's been polling there? It was pretty clear from what he was talking about.
Blame Reagan.
It's not impossible at this point.
TheLostBigBoss
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Yes it would be, but they would need a helluva lot more than this to do it.
our fault for including them in the democratic rolls. I would blame the blue dogs and reagan, and since we're talking blue dogs, that includes the entire breadth of any Clinton in politics. Bill and Hillary helped build the blue dog moderate democrat platform and the 3rd way democrats.
neoliberal/neoconservative "moderates" who have done major harm to progressive and democratic ideals when it all comes down to it.
Depends on which way most of sanders supports go. I
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/07/donald-trump-why-americans-support
This article helps explain this phenomenon. It is tempting to distill Trump's popularity down to racism and bigotry, but you're doing yourself a disservice if that's all you see. Like most things, reality is more complicated.
This article helps explain this phenomenon. It is tempting to distill Trump's popularity down to racism and bigotry, but you're doing yourself a disservice if that's all you see. Like most things, reality is more complicated.
balladofwindfishes
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Even some of the most favorable models for him have him losing.
Don't worry, the primaries will be over before we can vote anyways.
Pa has closed primaries too.
Randolph Freelander
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The dinos are now rinos, am I right?
GoldenEye 007
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As someone posted, though, Penn is closed. So you would have to be registered with the party you want to vote in for the primaries. Given that, it would be hard to tell if these are troll votes or legit defections.
Hell, Texas is semi-open and I almost voted for Trump to ensure he is propped up and the GOP nominee and I am not affiliated with any party. I just couldn't bring myself to do it, though, if he actually won the whole thing.
echoshifting
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Well, of course it's not impossible, but it's still pretty damn improbable
Hari Seldon
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Yeah people don't get this. All the outrage at outsourcing and corporatism and stagnant wages and shit is getting to a boiling point. The big states for this are Michigan, Ohio, PA. If Trump can carry those it is GG Dems.
aronnov reborn
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This. All republicans have done is laugh at him and blow it off. If Dems want to do the same thing then go ahead. Laugh and dismiss all you want.... But if you're not careful you're going to be asking WTF just happened.
But it's possible these are just people who are voting for Republicans already and just more engaged in the primary process.
Jmanunknown
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If he were to become president expect the economy to tank and the affordable care act aka obamacare to be trashed. Peoples lives are literally on the line the last time a republican was in the white house two wars were started countless lives were lost and he managed to tank the economy and Trump is much worse than bush he's Dick Cheney, Ronald Regan, and Vince McMahon rolled into one ridiculous human being. That is a terrifying combination.
Hari Seldon
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Yeah I'm sure it is, what i'm saying is that rust belt states have a long history of outsourcing and getting fucked by trade deals and that is the #1 thing Trump talks about. And the Dems couldn't have a worse candidate in Hilary, the wife of Bill NAFTA Clinton.
Funny story, i was working in the 2012 campaign for a congress candidate, and we had Superstorm Sandy roll through and the buzz from the professional campaigner types was that it was causing the GOP to take more notice of Pennsylvania because Sandy hammered Philadelphia while leaving the rest of the state untouched, and they thought maybe that could skew turnout towards a GOP victory.
Omegasquash
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Largely accepted and widely recognized.
The dude laid down the framework for the ACA, after all.
I agree, Hillary needs to drop out.
valkillmore
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I truly believe this.
Epsilon-delta
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I agree and why I'm worried about Trump in the general.
The working class has been decimated by globalization.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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Trump resonates hard with the rust belt towns in PA. Yeah, he might lose Philly and Pittsburgh, but PA had a republican governor just a short time ago, so it's obviously not impossible for a republican to win a popular vote in the state. If you're from a small rust belt town that used to be an industrial powerhouse the things Trump says are probably getting you worked up.
Rockandrollclown
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This is why Trump scares me. I keep hearing he doesn't have a shot, but his "outsider-ness" nets him a ton of credibility with a lot of people. I know quite a few pro Obama anti Bush people who are pro-Trump. Because he speaks his mind (even if they don't agree with what he is saying). People are so fed up with the institution of politics they're ready to burn it all down. I really hope the Republicans screw him at the convention because he seems the most electable based on my anecdotal experience.
Trump's appeal to blue-collar workers hurt by globalization makes no sense to me. This guy is part of that globalization! He's the one outsourcing your jobs to China and Mexico! Fucking hell.
The sooner we accept it, the less disappointed -- or the more pleasantly surprised -- we'll be in November.
The sooner we accept it, the less disappointed -- or the more pleasantly surprised -- we'll be in November.
A Link to the Past
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And Democrats say that being Democrat means they aren't racist.
State level politics are always different. It's why you get a guy like Romney in MA - Ds in red states lean right, GOPers in blue states lean left.
The Real Abed
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Well, they ain't got me yet.
If you're a Dem, Hillary is getting in because of super-delegates, she's got this on lock. The Republicans however is a bigger question. Trump is polling in the 30s, so if the field clears, there's some thought he may not get above 50. So if I were a Dem, feeling that Hillary has the best shot against Trump, I would be voting Trump for sure.
It's a case where the opponent in a less clear race is more important than your own nominee in a race that seems already over.
It's a case where the opponent in a less clear race is more important than your own nominee in a race that seems already over.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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We need to understand and accept that there is no trolling outside the internet. We are not a digital world. This is real. This is happening.
Macho Madness
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Sure is a lot of analysis based on essentially no information.
Live Free or Die
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Awesome, Trump brings people together. Not surprising.
Shai-Tan
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There was an article on a similar theme that was in my Twitter feed yesterday
Thomas Frank. Millions of ordinary Americans support Donald Trump. Here's why
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-trump-why-americans-support?CMP=share_btn_tw
Thomas Frank. Millions of ordinary Americans support Donald Trump. Here's why
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-trump-why-americans-support?CMP=share_btn_tw
SocksAndShoes
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Donald Trump: Bringing people together by separating them with huge walls.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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Sure, obviously, but there's a lot of overlap in the reason why Corbett won and why Trump would be attractive: the working class see them as people who could come in and create jobs. Corbett did it by talking up the petroleum/fracking industry, and people drank it up here. Trump is hitting the same drum that made Corbett successful with PA voters, which puts a very similar slant on the campaigns. Corbett won even in Pittsburgh, which was his rivals native terrority.
The Albatross
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I'm an independent who voted Republican in my primary because I wanted to cast a vote against Trump. Of course, he still blew away the other candidates in my primary.
Yeah, and it also says something about the Democratic party, which has paid lip-service to unions for decades, while undercutting them at every opportunity. As far as many of these blue-collar people and their lives are concerned, both parties really do seem the same now -- which isn't the case, but sure seems like it from a certain perspective. They feel nobody has a plan to help them, So, the tiebreaker goes to the person who plays on their fears and, at the very least, is threatening to hurt someone else (even if it's the wrong someone) for the current state of things.
Michigan exit poll interviews at least pointed to some amount of Dems in the state switching to the GOP to cast a tactical vote. Whether it was a meaningful amount, we don't know, and I certainly don't think a switch of 46,000 voters from D to R is going to be mostly just primary trolling.
theignoramus
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The Republican attack machine is already unloading on Trump. Like, theyre trying very hard to take him out with ad campaigns and the like.
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