It does absolutely. And that's one of the main criticisms I've seen Cruz supporters say about Trump with his made in China stuff.
CBS: 46,000 Pennsylvania Democrats have switched to Republican due to Trump
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It does absolutely. And that's one of the main criticisms I've seen Cruz supporters say about Trump with his made in China stuff.
silvermember
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He only needs the US whites to win. He has the US military to keep the weak underfunded militaries around the world in check.
Oh hail Britannia, oops The United States.
Yeah, this is a huge fear of mine.
Democrats who hope Trump wins are incredibly misguided.
MrSaturn99
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Not cool, home state!
Mighty Chin
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Pennsylvania is a State I'll never understand.
Manmademan
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Democratic Candidates for state supreme court just swept statewide elections in an OFF YEAR election by 300K votes.
Philadelphia could have stayed home entirely and they still would have won.
not that hard. extremely rural middle (with the exception of harrisburg, which isn't that big) bookended by Philadelphia at one end and pittsburgh at the other.
The PA primary is so late in the voting season that it rarely ever matters for presidential contests- Obama vs. Hillary is the only significant one I can think of, and mathematically it was extremely implausible she would have won by that point anyway.
LOTS of democrats were talking about switching to vote for Trump because Hillary vs. Bernie is a foregone conclusion and isn't really all that interesting.
Cesare Borgia
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And Hillary will still win Pennsylvania.
Elfforkusu
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I don't know that it's really possible yet to quantify to what extent it's true, but every one of these polls that comes out convinces me that the demographic advantages the Democrats have recently had in the electoral college might go out the window if Trump is the republican nominee and Hillary's the democratic.
Doesn't mean he'll win. But it's going to be weird. Too close for my liking!
Doesn't mean he'll win. But it's going to be weird. Too close for my liking!
You sure that's true in most states, particularly the one in question?
Here in NY, you can only vote in the primary for the party you are registered with.
Warm Machine
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Get ready for President Trump.
Mighty Chin
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Oh we're talking about the Primary not the General. So would expect these Dems to still vote Democratic in the General. They just want to make sure that Trump wins.
I got no issue with that.
Knuckle Sandwich
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Republicans gonna have their dreams of winning Penn shattered once again.
The scariest parts of DonaldTramp is how he makes shit I thought unrealistic look plausible. Not just the Simpsons calling it, nor the fact he did theatrics and wrestling like Commancho, but mainly cos of shit I read in comics like Norman Osbourne and Lex Luthor being president and I thought that shit is stupid and unlikely they are pretty much evil and yet.... Here we are. I don't know what to think when Jimmy Carter thinks Trump can be worked with. Maybe in best case scenario, Trump is some Machiavellian progressive Manchurian candidate who should he become president do a heel-face turn who will pull of a hood screaming: "IT'S ME AMERICA! I WAS A LIBERAL ALL ALONG!!!!!!" I doubt it but a guy can dream.
The Real Napsta
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How do they know that?
Flying Toaster
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She is hated... More than Trump? We won't know till the GE.
andythinkpad
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People who keep citing past elections really have no idea how different and unpredictable this election year has been.
No, we know that now. (And that Trump is far more hated than she is.)
Fox Mulder
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Hillary is just a shit candidate.
manzoman96
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My state disappoints me. Philly and Pittsburgh are still gonna have huge leverage though.
mattiewheels
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Poor white people finally have a candidate that cares about them. Well, Bernie cares too, but I guess he comes off as too, uh, European.
NullPointer
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When the Democrats sends its people to the other side, theyre not sending their best. Theyre not sending you. Theyre not sending you. Theyre sending people that have lots of problems, and theyre bringing those problems to the Republicans. Theyre bringing drugs. Theyre bringing crime. Theyre rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
Could be a trend though. Could be that more could switch. Could be that these 46.000 could be the hair on a close election. Thing is, people should make surr abot the could and would not and generally look into this phenomen. Better be safe than flayed alive.
Macho Madness
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A few thousand did this in Massachusetts too. More people voted in the Democratic primary anyway. It's meaningless to try and extrapolate any information out of this kind of stuff right now.
Seventy_X_Seven
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I don't understand troll voting for Trump to ensure a Clinton election. Do people really think at this point that Trump would fair worse than Cruz? Really?
I don't get it either.
Trump would do better against Clinton than both Cruz and Rubio.
Is it strange that I don't find the Democratic party that particularly weak? They're running two very popular (among their party's base at least) candidates, one of whom came into this as an extreme long shot and the other running as the third term for a well-liked Dem president, on largely policy- and issue-based campaigns wide wide demographic appeals. And they have pretty good chances of retaking the Senate this year too.
Maybe the GOP circus has just lowered the bar more than I realized, but I don't really think of Democrats being structurally weak, outside of DWS' leadership I suppose.
It would be stupid to do so because Trump easily has the best chances of beating Hillary or Sanders among the republican candidates.
If primary trolls want to make sure a democrat wins the general elections they should go vote for Cruz.
Baron Aloha
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I just came back from the hospital because a family member had to get a procedure done and while I'm waiting a bunch of nurses and a doctor started talking about how much they loved Trump and couldn't stand Hillary. They weren't all white either. I couldn't believe it...and these were fairly well educated people. Crazy. And my state is about as blue as it gets (Maryland).
The person with the worst favorables in the history of modern presidential candidates has the best chance of beating Hillary or Sanders is apparently a thing we're saying now.
Aaron Strife
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Rubio wouldn't absolutely terrify liberals and minorities.
Cruz yeah probably but not by much.
Lot of you are missing the fact that Trump's added appeal over other Republicans is pretty narrowly confined to white conservatives and that he actively repels everyone else. Should he be the nominee (which isn't really even a question anymore) he will be disastrous.
BoboBrazil
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Never underestimate Cruz. He's a total slineball that won't hesitate to lie at the tip of a hat and do shady tactics, and the media won't call him out for it.
I think a lot of people are conflating that if you surprise with a win the primary, he must be able to surprise for a win in the general. That's not how this works.
Aaron Strife
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Plus Trump's wins in the primary haven't exactly been commanding. Usually upper 30s at most. If the party was able to coalesce around one candidate to stop him they could, but there are too many personalities involved and the ones who are still in it (Cruz, Rubio and Kasich) are pretty weaksauce in their own right.
dat Carson endorsement already at work.
The person/state that could potentially change the outcome of the general election is John Kasich and Ohio.
Obama won Ohio in 2012 against Mitt Romney by only 3%. What happens if Trump chooses John Kasich, the governor of Ohio, as his vice president/running mate? Trump says he is strongly considering Kasich because it would help him win a state that Obama won last election.
Ohio results in 2012 general election:
Obama - 50.67% (2,827,621 votes)
Mitt Romney - 47.69% (2,661,407 votes)
Obama won Ohio in 2012 against Mitt Romney by only 3%. What happens if Trump chooses John Kasich, the governor of Ohio, as his vice president/running mate? Trump says he is strongly considering Kasich because it would help him win a state that Obama won last election.
Ohio results in 2012 general election:
Obama - 50.67% (2,827,621 votes)
Mitt Romney - 47.69% (2,661,407 votes)
cpp_is_king
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I was at my kid's cub scout group last night and one of the mothers was talking about how she was scared that Trump was going to round up and publicly execute all the muslims and black people.
I don't think Kasich likes Trump's personality, I think he would decline. But who knows, most politicians are ultimately after their own self interest and aspirations.
Macho Madness
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If all that changes in the upcoming election from 2012 is Ohio, that doesn't change the outcome of the election.
Aaron Strife
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Luckily the Democratic coalition doesn't need to rely on big swing states (like Florida or Ohio) as much as they used to.
A Democrat who simply holds together Kerry's map + NM, NV and VA gets to 270.
My prediction is that a Cruz/Kasich ticket comes out of a brokered convention.
cpp_is_king
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If Trump wins FL it looks like he'll be unstoppable for getting the necessary delegates. And he's polling way ahead there. And he's slightly ahead in Ohio too. If he gets both, then I don't see anyone else getting the nomination
right, I should've prefaced that that's assuming Trump loses Ohio to Kasich (I think he can win FL but still come short of 1,237 if he doesn't get Ohio too). Obviously if Trump clinches the 1,237 delegates, there'd be no cause for a brokered convention.
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