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[Rran]

I cannot understand how some people, after watching the political climate in this country for the past 8 years, can look at our system and think, "these Democrats are really messing things up." Like, I genuinely do not understand that train of thought :?

 

[Escape Goat]

Thanks, Madonna.

 

[params7]

Trump's appeal to blue-collar workers hurt by globalization makes no sense to me. This guy is part of that globalization! He's the one outsourcing your jobs to China and Mexico! Fucking hell.

He's also been a constant anti-globalist on TV since near three decades now, and invested heavily in NY and rest of U.S. leading way to plenty of jobs for domestic workers.

Hey, if it were me, I too would adapt with the world and do what I have to do to take advantages of globalization and maximize profits with outsourcing. That doesn't mean I agree with the practice.

 

[ivysaur12]

Yeah I'm sure it is, what i'm saying is that rust belt states have a long history of outsourcing and getting fucked by trade deals and that is the #1 thing Trump talks about. And the Dems couldn't have a worse candidate in Hilary, the wife of Bill NAFTA Clinton.

Yeah, but if they voted for Romney, then it doesn't really matter towards her winning those states.

It's something Dems should be conscious of, but as I said earlier, we don't know who these people voted for in 2012.

 

[Misha]

Sure, obviously, but there's a lot of overlap in the reason why Corbett won and why Trump would be attractive: the working class see them as people who could come in and create jobs. Corbett did it by talking up the petroleum/fracking industry, and people drank it up here. Trump is hitting the same drum that made Corbett successful with PA voters, which puts a very similar slant on the campaigns. Corbett won even in Pittsburgh, which was his rivals native terrority.

hopefully some people learned from that. Corbett was such a mess

 

[esms]

Primed for local election fuckery in the GE. Can't wait for the Philly.com editorial meltdowns.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

hopefully some people learned from that. Corbett was such a mess

Completely agreed. I voted for Wolf. But, even Wolf campaigned significantly on manufacturing job creation in the state. It's what resonates.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Just stopping in to remind everyone that Obama got 310,000 more votes than Romney in PA and 620,000 more than McCain.

 

[kirby_fox]

I cannot understand how some people, after watching the political climate in this country for the past 8 years, can look at our system and think, "these Democrats are really messing things up." Like, I genuinely do not understand that train of thought :?

They aren't paying attention to it at all or barely paying attention. That's also a huge issue.

 

[PanicFreak]

Well, I for one welcome my new Trump overlord.

Spoiler

when's the riot?

 

[noshten]

So explain the polls in Michigan showing Hillary up by 15 over Trump?

Jeez louise, I though GE match ups don't really matter this far from election

 

[ivysaur12]

Just stopping in to remind everyone that Obama got 310,000 more votes than Romney in PA and 620,000 more than McCain.

Shhh.

 

[Team Alucard]

Just stopping in to remind everyone that Obama got 310,000 more votes than Romney in PA and 620,000 more than McCain.

Hillary is not Obama.

 

[Blader]

He's also been a constant anti-globalist on TV since near three decades now, and invested heavily in NY and rest of U.S. leading way to plenty of jobs for domestic workers.

Hey, if it were me, I too would adapt with the world and do what I have to do to take advantages of globalization and maximize profits with outsourcing. That doesn't mean I agree with the practice.

Doesn't profiting extensively from a practice that you personally disagree with kind of harm your credibility in opposing said practice, though?

 

[Metrotab]

Just stopping in to remind everyone that Obama got 310,000 more votes than Romney in PA and 620,000 more than McCain.

Is Obama running?

 

[ivysaur12]

Hillary is not Obama.

Pennsylvania is also absurdly inelastic, so Dog Shit (D) versus Romney (R) would get around the same number.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

Jeez louise, I though GE match ups don't really matter this far from election

I felt that ether from here.

 

[ivysaur12]

Jeez louise, I though GE match ups don't really matter this far from election

From before:

I don't really get this -- yes, there's never been an election, but we're getting to the point where it's looking like it's a Trump v. Hillary matchup, both candidates are pretty well known to the general public compared to where we would be at this point in the cycle if the frontrunners were lesser-known entities who hadn't been in the public eye for 20 years, and Hillary is ahead of Trump by huge margins in states that he would need to win.

Trump vs. Hillary is not something like Kasich vs. Bernie.

 

[ersocaster]

I live in PA. Our winter lasted less than a month. I switched from Independent to Democrat so I can help make sure we elect someone who noticed.

 

[Effect]

but how much of this is primary trolling and how much is a sincere change of parties?

In Pennsylvania. No trolling I suspect from living in this state for a very long time. It's easy to see why some of these people would switch to someone like Trump.

I live in PA. Our winter lasted less than a month. I switched from Independent to Democrat so I can help make sure we elect someone who noticed.

Seriously. Yesterday it was in the 70s and today in the 60s. We're in the middle of March people!!!!

 

[teruterubozu]

Just stopping in to remind everyone that Obama got 310,000 more votes than Romney in PA and 620,000 more than McCain.

Obama was once in a lifetime. Plus Dem turnout for the primaries hasn't exactly been Obama levels. Just a reminder.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

The Republican attack machine is already unloading on Trump. Like, theyre trying very hard to take him out with ad campaigns and the like.

Yeah, but these are republican primaries. A General Election is an entirely different beast.

 

[JAV Actress]

Trump the beast.

 

[Good Job Bob]

I've long said that union dems would be particularly susceptible to a social conservative who aligned with their economic needs. Trump gives them a little of what they want to hear and thousands switch parties? Imagine if you had a full-on openly pro-union candidate who was also a piece of shit on social issues, lots of solid blue districts would flip.

It's always been a scary thought to me, and it's now happening to an extent. Ugh.

It's definitely a scary thought. In Europe there are lots of these "socially conservative but economically left" parties rising. I feel like the Republicans would sooner abandon social conservatism than economic conservatism though.

 

[Sub_Level]

If Republicans can take PA in the general it would be absolutely huge.

Sure but there is still Ohio and Flo Rida'. It wouldn't guarantee their victory.

 

[ivysaur12]

Obama was once in a lifetime. Plus Dem turnout for the primaries hasn't exactly been Obama levels. Just a reminder.

Fine, then Kerry beat Dubya by 144,000 votes in 04 in a terrible year for Dems.

 

[shortsFortallPeople]

Sure but there is still Ohio and Flo Rida'. It wouldn't guarantee their victory.

Florida is blue, there's no question about it. Ohio i can see up for grabs though.

 

[mo60]

I wouldn't worry about this yet. If the dems are smart they will deal with this sooner rather than later and I expect the increased scrutiny of Trump during the GE will help him lose states like PA.

 

[Effect]

If Republicans can take PA in the general it would be absolutely huge.

Yeah but I think there is enough of people to balance out losing that many people. It's why a insanely good ground game is required. You have to run up the numbers in the eastern part of the state and around Pitt. The middle of PA stays red and perhaps just gets redder. The non-white population keeps getting bigger in PA I believe and you still have people from NYC and NJ moving to the state.

 

[ivysaur12]

Florida is blue, there's no question about it. Ohio i can see up for grabs though.

Doesn't matter if she wins FL, VA, CO, NV, and MN.

She won't lose PA, though. It's a white whale for Republicans.

 

[Goro Majima]

The rust belt has been mad as hell for decades at this point about offshoring jobs so it's not exactly a shock that someone running on a platform of nationalism+protectionism is going to do decently. Loads of people are longing for the days of "Made in the USA" and the nationalistic manufacturing from the 50s through the 80s.

 

[teruterubozu]

Fine, then Kerry beat Dubya by 144,000 votes in 04 in a terrible year for Dems.

Those are more reasonable numbers. Just wanted proper metrics, not la-la land.

 

[ivysaur12]

Those are more reasonable numbers. Just wanted proper metrics, not la-la land.

Well, that's probably not a good metric either, since Bush's favorables are well above where Turmp's are, and he was an incumbent.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

Fine, then Kerry beat Dubya by 144,000 votes in 04 in a terrible year for Dems.

This is a different election year unlike any of the past, i.e., Trumps' populism - despite everything the man has said to marginalize or alienate certain demographics.

Citing past election results means nothing at this point imo.

 

[NimbusD]

For every action... http://mic.com/articles/137292/mexi...tm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social#.5O4iii087

Sure he has a certain appealing aspect to him for certain people, but just as much of a repelling aspect to others.

 

[Apophenia Overload]

Doesn't profiting extensively from a practice that you personally disagree with kind of harm your credibility in opposing said practice, though?

Trump has become the ultimate "truthiness" candidate. People listen to his rhetoric more than facts and clarifications. Stuff that implicates his hypocrisy get dismissed as lies against him.

Also him being rich plays into his "class traitor" shtick (Google for articles about it), he's seen as a rich person who are betraying the other parasitic rich people by speaking truth to power. And for what it's worth, he's a real estate mogul, not someone who made his fortune from the stereotypical Wall Street financial industry (Romney).

 

[teruterubozu]

Well, that's probably not a good metric either, since Bush's favorables are well above where Turmp's are, and he was an incumbent.

Then previous examples are bunk all around and not relevant to this discussion. Man what a headache.

 

[ivysaur12]

This is a different election year unlike any of the past, i.e., Trumps' populism - despite everything the man has said to marginalize or alienate certain demographics.

Citing past election results means nothing at this point imo.

Okay, so we're supposed to ignore the electoral history of PA, the favorables of Trump, as well as the (albeit shaky) GE polling at this moment because "things are different this year".

Then previous examples are bunk all around and not relevant to this discussion.

It's all relevant, it just needs the proper context.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Okay, so we're supposed to ignore the electoral history of PA, the favorables of Trump, as well as the (albeit shaky) GE polling at this moment because "things are different this year".

well, i'm all for ignoring the GE polling for a while longer, but everything else is fair game

 

[teruterubozu]

Okay, so we're supposed to ignore the electoral history of PA, the favorables of Trump, as well as the (albeit shaky) GE polling at this moment because "things are different this year".



It's all relevant, it just needs the proper context.

I think people just like being argumentative, including me.

 

[ivysaur12]

I think people just like being argumentative, including me.

Fair. Samesies.

 

[tfur]

President Donald John Trump

 

[Epsilon-delta]

Okay, so we're supposed to ignore the electoral history of PA, the favorables of Trump, as well as the (albeit shaky) GE polling at this moment because "things are different this year".



It's all relevant, it just needs the proper context.

No because I think it's a wasted endeavor.

Let us wait till November but that's no fun though.

 

[thepotatoman]

At least this path to a Trump victory is still more believable than Cruz somehow outperforming McCain and Romney by bringing out all those old white evangelicals that just aren't republican voting enough.

 

[And_Gignac]

This is why Bernie needs to be on the ticket and not a token young latino. He is the only antidote Dems have against Trump.

 

[silvermember]

This is why Bernie needs to be on the ticket and not a token young latino. He is the only antidote Dems have against Trump.

Yeah no.

Latino might not help but either would Bernie. Two whites from the NE is not a good idea.

 

[Diablos]

As a western PA resident: my first impression is that Trump is finally getting Reagan Dems and other Dems here who always vote Republican to switch parties for the primary. There's a ton of them.

Philly and Eastern PA will be a firewall for a loss of Dem voters over here anyway. Not to mention with the exception of Allegheny County, where Pittsburgh is, western PA has been very unkind to Democrats in 2008 and 2012. It's pretty much solid red territory these days.

 

[Sianos]

Awesome, Trump brings people together. Not surprising.

drumpf 2016 - bringing people together by uniting white people against a common enemy

which is to say, everyone who isn't white

 

[lastplayed]

drumpf 2016 - bringing people together by uniting white people against a common enemy

which is to say, everyone who isn't white

Which is the majority of the world population. Good luck Trump!

 

[commedieu]

drumpf 2016 - bringing people together by uniting white people against a common enemy

which is to say, everyone who isn't white

Or white people dressed like bhuddists.