Razgriz-Specter
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Main roles but far less screentime.
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CBS refuses to give Asian stars in Hawaii Five-0 equal pay, they leave
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Main roles but far less screentime.
LinkSlayer64
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Thanks, tried to argue that but they said that means supporting, and that they are making this something it is not by bringing in race
Which I told them they did not bring it in. (To my knowledge.)
You shitting me?
I'm confused the insider was trying to defend it by saying Kim's salary was almost the same as the white dudes so why not just bump it up to parity then? If it was so close why not just drop a couple thousand more to get a fan favorite back.
hodayathink
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I could argue that if O'Loughlin really is leaving at the end of this season, then this is the last season, and why spend another few million on the show (the increase for the two actors over the course of the season) when it will barely affect the ratings and won't affect the money you get in syndication. You'd be doing it to be nice to the actors, and maybe as a measure of fairness, and not necessarily because it makes business sense to do so.
lightskintwin
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That's IF race played a part of it, and even if it did, y'know damn well they would never acknowledge that because that's a lawsuit waiting for CBS to lose.
hodayathink
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Apparently when Cote de Pablo left a couple years ago, that was a similar contract dispute (she wasn't get paid at the same level as Harmon or Weatherly).
Not Michael Early, Blair Underwood or that guy from Supergirl?
Not Jaden Smith?
He ain't the only person from Lost.
Are they regulars? I don't follow the show.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Apparently they were fired instead of leaving at will.
Hari Seldon
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Jorge Garcia is now, but the other one is not anymore. He was for a season or two.
Man Called Aerodynamics
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That's what I was thinking... Aren't they both bigger names than the white stars anyway? Certainly Daniel Dae Kim is at least.
nocturnalis
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I can understand in that case, because she came on later (season 3, I believe).
lightskintwin
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There are no Black equivalents for Sam Worthington or Jai Courtney, etc... Quit with the false equivalencies.
Not sure why she would expect the same pay as either of them. Especially Harmon.
Razgriz-Specter
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Terry O'Quinn(John Locke) was pretty often recurring in earlier seasons.
Jorge Garcia started out slowly but has either become a main or at least a main supporting and in nearly every episode.
The showrunner has basically decided to take CBS' side on this with the "Well, they offered them a lot" nonsense.
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/hawaii-five-o-daniel-dae-kim-grace-park-peter-lenkov-1202488921/
So even the showrunner doesn't understand the issue. They didn't want a generous raise. They wanted equal pay.
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/hawaii-five-o-daniel-dae-kim-grace-park-peter-lenkov-1202488921/
So even the showrunner doesn't understand the issue. They didn't want a generous raise. They wanted equal pay.
How little were they being paid before if even after "unprecedented" and "significant" raises they still lagged behind their co-stars?
Dreams-Visions
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I keep seeing this bumped expecting to see CBS offering proper salaries.
I keep ending up disappointed.
I keep ending up disappointed.
Miles Quaritch
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They should release the figures and let people judge for themselves.
Side note, I'm happy to see Emmy Rossum is getting paid.
That's a great question actually.
Razgriz-Specter
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So the source claims Daniel Dae Kim was offered $195,000 an episode vs O'Loughlin and Caan's $200,000
and Grace Park was trying to negotiate for only half a season worth of episodes while getting a massive hike.
I can side with Park on her end however I am with CBS on Kim's.
Norwegian Rudo
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If true that just makes it worse because it shows it wasn't about money, they just didn't want him to make the same as the other two.
Why would you be on CBS's side on Kim's? $5000 per episode or about $12500 per year would break the bank for CBS? This is of course ignoring the fact that sources on Kim's side say it wasn't that close.
Razgriz-Specter
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Daniel Dae Kim has like half the screentime on average.
Park on the other hand is a lot more involved lately and is asking for half the episodes, CBS could have caved on that.
Isn't Caan in only half the episodes for the entire season?
Razgriz-Specter
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Thats why im on Park's side.
However Caan even being out 8+ episodes i'd still say has noticeably more screentime than Kim in total.
I watch every episode and its literally been my biggest issue forever, I absolutely love DDK and was the reason I noticed the series premier.
So this makes me wonder if screen time is that important, then why doesn't CBS just pay him and give him more screen time? Seems like a simple solution and gives an Asian actor equal pay to the White actors.
Razgriz-Specter
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Over Caan idk why they haven't, his character is hardly relevant and only serves as a counter to O'Loughlin's.
They should have shuffled Kim and Park into Caan's seat far earlier and more often(besides more starring episodes and arcs)
O'Loughlin was always going to get the most though.
show completely revolves around his character, he is in nearly every episode of 7 seasons and is in nearly every action scene in the series.
Also part of why I support Park, she is right there at #3 in screentime but actually relevant vs Caan's character. Her character also has a lot of range.
Chi McBride is pretty new coming in during S4 and they immediately incorporated him well, he also gets loads of screentime and probably more than Kim as well.
hodayathink
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Are you really expecting the showrunner to go against the network that is still currently paying him to run the show? And possibly burn a bridge if he has any show ideas he wants to pitch after this one?
lightskintwin
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LOL Exactly what I was thinking.
hodayathink
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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the showrunner is/was all for them getting equal pay. But they wouldn't be the ones that set the budget for the show (and the salaries as part of that), the network/production company would be handling that. And CBS has a history of being hardline negotiators.
Apparently Caan and O'Loughlin get points in addition to their salary per episode so even if they gave Kim the same salary they would both be making significantly more then him apparently. It seems like he wanted salary parity as a principle more then he wanted the show itself. If they were really less that 5k per episode away why let him walk from a successful show.
Sure there is. There is usually an equivalent of everyone, Hollywood is full of people who are virtually identical. They may not have had the same opportunities as a Sam Worthington (in fairness though virtually no actors get as lucky as Sam Worthington) but that doesn't mean guys like Brandon Jay McLaren or Rainbow Franks don't exist.
How can you not see the irony? No one in the mainstream knows who the fuck the last 2 people are.
Claude Augario
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There is no black equivalent to Sam Worthington because the first requirement to being a Sam Worthington is to be white, and Hollywood set it up that way.
Camper Van Beethoven
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Why do they deserve equal pay if theyre not featured as prominently as O'Loughlin?
People in this thread have repeatedly said theyre not featured as much as the top earner so why should they get paid as much?
I'm sorry, how are you with CBS on Kim?
If they could afford 195, they could afford 200. Not rounding it up does send a message. Like how the fuck can you straight face offer him nearly as much as the white guys, but less by 5,000. That screams "you're not at their level but we're gonna pacify you anyway to shut you up."
That reasoning would only be acceptable if Caan wasn't paid just as much.
RedAssedApe
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weird stance to take for a measly $5k per episode...that's kind of chump change no? doesn't seem worth the bad publicly and potential loss of viewership
Razgriz-Specter
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Not even counting what the offered bump totals, that additional $5,000 is another $120,000 lumped on to a show thats about to die regardless.
Having watched every episode I don't think Kim deserves near what the others make despite being my favorite of the cast.
Park I think has a case based on screentime alone, was just asking for a deal similar to Caan's and is only about an additional $50,000 total.
This is also ruling out the creators giving equal screentime which they haven't figured out in 7 seasons.
Because if it was up to me the characters would have been balanced a long time ago and all get paid equally.
(though I don't think I would have had the foresight to introduce a Chicago cop in the 4th season who immediately becomes a favorite as both the heart and often comic relief of the show.)
I don't think Caan actually deserves it but even missing all the episodes he does he still gets the 2nd most screentime.
And going by the supposed deal, him making $200,000 an episode could actually be a lower expense than far lower paid people with more episodes.
Honestly makes me wonder what Chi McBride makes.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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$5,000 is in no way about costs and is in every way about bullshit studio politics. That shit happens all the time.
In terms of the budget, it's about a 0.17% increase (5-0 costs $3m per episode, though I'm not sure if that's before or after factoring in the substantial tax breaks they get from Hawaii), essentially a rounding error. They were clearly willing to pay essentially the same amount, the remaining differential is entirely about sending a message. It's how these things work.
In terms of the budget, it's about a 0.17% increase (5-0 costs $3m per episode, though I'm not sure if that's before or after factoring in the substantial tax breaks they get from Hawaii), essentially a rounding error. They were clearly willing to pay essentially the same amount, the remaining differential is entirely about sending a message. It's how these things work.
F31 Leopard
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Yes Hawaii is predominantly Asian. I'm from Hawaii. The reason why Asians are the majority is because of the sugar plantation era. Japanese, Chinese , Korean and Filipinos immigrated to work in the sugar cane fields. Hawaii pidgin English is basically an Asian/Polynesian creole language. It consists of broken English with a lot of Asian and Hawaiian loan words. Japanese culture is also a big part of modern Hawaii culture since they were the largest ethnic group of the Asian population. Filipinos recently surpassed them. Side note, noticed I said "Hawaii" culture instead of Hawaiian. It's because anything not native Hawaiian we refer to it as "Hawaii" or "local". Here in Hawaii anything not native we never use Hawaiian as a demonym. It's just easier that way for us.
That was also true about Sam Worthington before Avatar. His two biggest roles were in independant Australian films with the equivalent audience of a niche Sci Fi show. I mistakenly thought we were talking about wooden actors who gave equivalent peformances.
If we are just talking about being lucky and getting cast in a billion dollar blockbuster then no one is Sam Worthington. He's Unique. Only 3 new IP's currently reside in the top 20 grossing films of all time. Avatar, Titanic and Frozen.
If you use inflation adjusted metrics then a case can be made for Mark Hamil (Star Wars), Vivien Leigh (Gone with the Wind) and ET.
Still that the past 100 years of Cinema have only produced 2 Sam Worthington's and an anamatronic robot Sam Worthington should tell you a lot about how unusual Sam Worthington's career has actually been.
firehawk12
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I totally missed the news of the new cast:
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/hawaii-five-o-season-8-new-cast-meaghan-rath-1202489989/
So they cast two minority actors and upgraded the guy who played Grace Park's husband to series regular.
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/hawaii-five-o-season-8-new-cast-meaghan-rath-1202489989/
So they cast two minority actors and upgraded the guy who played Grace Park's husband to series regular.
Razgriz-Specter
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So a few episodes into the new season and the next episode preview is hinting
.
seems obviously a classic misdirection but it really looks like CBS is welcoming even more controversy.
the main Hawaiian in the cast being killed off
seems obviously a classic misdirection but it really looks like CBS is welcoming even more controversy.
Jason Frost
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Who?
Kono's husband
Sgt. Duke Lukela
Kamekona
Because they all are part of the main cast now.
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