prinz_valium
Member
Someone got a replay already?
CDPR officially apologises for hiding the console versions and promises quick updates and refund option
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oldergamer
Member
I'm pretty sure the biggest issue on the older consoles is how many transparent effects are all over the screen. its a bit overkill to be honest. if they turned that off i bet the framerate would jump on those platforms.
Alebrije
Member
CDPR knew PS4 and Xbone versions were crap.. still they selled to costumers....
This is the same behavior that Hello games, Bethesda and other crap developers did and do :
We get your money, say sorry later...deliver some patches and after 2 years of updates you get the game that originally you expected.
Keep feeding those crap developers they wont change.
This is the same behavior that Hello games, Bethesda and other crap developers did and do :
We get your money, say sorry later...deliver some patches and after 2 years of updates you get the game that originally you expected.
Keep feeding those crap developers they wont change.
Apology will be accepted if by January they can get it working. I understand Covid had a massive impact on game development of this size, but if they had came and said this at the start and said "look you might experience bugs but we promise to fix this" then people would have been more lenient. It's the way they hid it so that people go in blind is what irks me.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Yeah. "It's not what you say but how you say it". And they said it pretty poorly.
I think it's at a point where no apology will ever be good enough. Action > Words.
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Krisprolls
Banned
I want them to avoid releasing their games in an unplayable state while making it impossible to review them beforehand. It's scummy.
Tons of people won't ask for refund and they know it... That's the point here. They made a lot more money by doing like that than by just not releasing it on base last gen consoles, like they should have done.
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Krisprolls
Banned
I don't know, the verticality of Night City makes it a huge challenge for 2013 consoles. There's a reason no other open world did that before. It's extremely taxing... You'll never get a great result on those machines, the resolution will probably stay low. The best thing would have been to make it next gen only considering what they wanted to make as a city, but that meant leaving too much money on the table.
On next gen consoles it should look great though. Actually, since 1.04 patch, even base versions look okay on next gen consoles. The blurriness is mostly gone.
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ZeroGravity
Member
I have no doubt they'll make good on this game eventually but they recouped their entire development cost at launch despite releasing a game they knew was broken. As long as people continue to reward behavior like this, devs and publishers will continue to pull this shit.
The gaming press also deserves a huge share of blame for this mess too. They capitulated to CDPR's unreasonable review demands instead of showing an ounce of credibility and saying "The fact that you're trying to hide what this game is, especially the console versions, is a major red flag." They rushed their glowing reviews out of just the PC version, handwaved away all the issues with bugs, and made it seem like this game was going to be amazing for everyone, despite it being incredibly obvious that console players were getting the worst part of an already bad deal, and were not given any heads up about it.
The gaming press also deserves a huge share of blame for this mess too. They capitulated to CDPR's unreasonable review demands instead of showing an ounce of credibility and saying "The fact that you're trying to hide what this game is, especially the console versions, is a major red flag." They rushed their glowing reviews out of just the PC version, handwaved away all the issues with bugs, and made it seem like this game was going to be amazing for everyone, despite it being incredibly obvious that console players were getting the worst part of an already bad deal, and were not given any heads up about it.
Fbh
Member
Then in February:
"Even though we just released the latest update, we want to apologize about the game still running at 15fps. We are deeply sorry that our comments about improving the game were missinterpreted as the performance and blurriness improving significantly. The game is a bit less blurry than before and the frame rate drops during scripted events have been slightly improved by we realize this isn't enough. So please look forwars to the 1.8 Redux update we are getting ready to launch in early June"
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Zog
Banned
Oh for god sake stop this.
They said it ran well on last gen hardware and they released it for last gen hardware. Stop blaming the consumer when it's CDPR to blame.
iconmaster
Banned
The fact that CDPR seems to have worked so hard to keep customers from getting this information ahead of time is the real offense, and not something their apology addresses. They construct it as a natural consequence of not providing last-gen footage themselves; but that's not quite right. They suppressed it where it was available, actively.
AdjudicatorHead
Member
The guy on the left represents the investors, right? Because the majority consensus among gamers was actually supportive and understanding with each delay.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
"Sorry we got caught, we hoped you would be hyped enough to make excuses up for us for long enough to give us time to fix the worst of it with patches in the months ahead and repeat the cycle again"...
Who could have thought crunch could produce a buggy game when management was trying to rush a holidays release showing as much contempt for their users as they do for their workforce...
BOOM! And some people on GAF still protect these corporations for pushing people through crunch.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
This is so funny considering how well W2 ran on the fucking 360. (this was before they got mucho dinero to properly port games even though W2 was a GOTY by then)
They did? Quote them here.
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
hahahahah
No next gen upgrade or ETA even mentioned. Will never play this shit
No next gen upgrade or ETA even mentioned. Will never play this shit
Phase
Member
They ruined their reputation with me. I was initially thinking I'd wait until they fixed the issues to buy, but the the game isn't even that good. I've been watching a playthrough and it's almost mediocre.
Goodbye to CDPR until they release a good game again (maybe a decade from now).
Goodbye to CDPR until they release a good game again (maybe a decade from now).
Investor9872
Member
CDPR didn't just fucked it up, they scammed the consumers out of at least $400 million dollars by hiding the console versions, by not allowing reviewers to review them nor show in-game footages, and especially by outrightly and blatantly lied about the console versions running well after announcing the last delay a few months ago. This is straight up fraud. CDPR only apologized after the fact and because they got caught doing so. Let me scam you all for $400 millions, and I'll apologize to you as well. I guarantee you that there won't be more than a $1 million of refund, since it's not that easy to get your refunds with every country having different consumer laws.
B-universe
Banned
Here I am, proudly reporting.
"Sorry we got caught, we hoped you would be hyped enough to make excuses up for us for long enough to give us time to fix the worst of it with patches in the months ahead and repeat the cycle again"...
Who could have thought crunch could produce a buggy game when management was trying to rush a holidays release showing as much contempt for their users as they do for their workforce
Oh, this "analysis" is just precious.
There is now evidence behind the claim of mismanagement. No question about that. But no, the emotionalist has to frame this situation as them having "contempt" for a workforce, which they pay, plus award yearly bonuses based off on profit, plus award individual bonuses based off on individual performance.
It's like you borrowed from some 19th-century d-grade novel. Please use Uncle Scrooge next time, for extra vividness.
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aries_71
Junior Member
At the rate these AAA games are being developed, I wouldn't expect a new CDPR game during the span of the XSX/PS5 generation. Some DLCs at most.
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GHG
Member
If you go back to the delay threads here most people were saying they should delay it as long as they need to.
The only people I could see really pushing them to release the game in the state they did are the investors and accountants.
The 8-Bit Raider
Member
It's actually running pretty well on the PS4 at the moment. I started playing the game after patch 1.04 and it maintains a steady framerate with little to no glitching. I'm only six hours in so it may get worse.
NickFire
Member
Shady situation and the apology rings a bit hollow. But if they're offering refunds for dissatisfied customers that's a step in the right direction and by and large makes up for the shady business in my opinion. I might be biased though because I never intended to play this on a base old gen system.
TheSHEEEP
Gold Member
The downsides are:
- It discourages developers from actually putting in the effort to finish their game - CP2077 had 8m preorders. Why even finish the game when you can rake in that much cash without actually having a finished product? Game can always be finished later.
- You order something that you simply don't know if it will be good or not - it isn't even possible in theory without a time machine. At best you can try to minimize the risk. But your money is already gone.
- You got lucky that you were able to cancel it after reviews hit - that's not usually possible and sending stuff back is a hassle (if the store will even take it back). Most people will just go "well, damn, now I got it", maybe play it or not - but the developer/publisher will keep their cash.
Would you buy a house that you only saw a few promotion pictures of but never actually went there to check it out, because it isn't fully built yet (and you have no way to influence how it is being built)?
I mean, why not?
After all, you'll get some free beer and a confetti cannon if you do it.
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Farawayfromhell
Member
The 8-Bit Raider
Member
Being in communications myself, this is the best strategy CD Project Red can take from a Public Relations standpoint. They have admitted to their mistake and have taken actions to rectify said mistake. Be that as it may, they messed up and know they were going to mess up. In any case, this particular action should buy them the trust of the general public.
Radical_3d
Member
In my country this is an extended practice XDDD Those wacky Spaniards!
Metroiddarks
Member
I am start to be really tire of CDPR trying to be the good guys.
The refund option is good yeah also you know what could be better if you don't release a game
which is buggy as hell and even is close to be unplayable in base consoles.
Been an ashoole just for say a week later sorry for lie deliberately to you doesn't make you the
good guy again.
The refund option is good yeah also you know what could be better if you don't release a game
which is buggy as hell and even is close to be unplayable in base consoles.
Been an ashoole just for say a week later sorry for lie deliberately to you doesn't make you the
good guy again.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Oh no, they do not make them work for free in chains and they even agreed not to base the bonus on review scores which they knew were going down the drain. They are saints I tell you
. What is next? Allowing them to have lunch breaks and sick days?! They almost spoil them yes.Tell you what, the workers should pay CDPR for the privilege of having this game on their resume
.Corporate apology continues... (there is now evidence of mismanagement... as if there was not before and we are not now seeing CDPR being caught hands in the cookie jar after lying multiple times [omission counts too] about the state of a product they were selling preorders too).
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TheSHEEEP
Gold Member
For real? That's crazy!
Why would you ever do that? It's like playing lottery with a ton of your own money.
Then again, I always did wonder how it seems that Spain continuously ends up in economic troubles
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HellforLeather
Member
Yeah this is bullshit. The apologetics for publishers pushing out unfinished games is getting real tiresome. They are so quick to apologize when the backlash comes in full effect but completely silent before release? Get fucked.
Im sure there is some level of devs not agreeing with the release and the publisher pushing for the product to go to market, but as a consumer, I dont have to give a shit. Their name is on a shitty product.
That said, I finally decided to give it a go this weekend on ps4 pro and its not as completely horrendous as some were making it out to be. I had 1 hard crash but beyond that, the game is still playable (so far). For god sake, turn off HDR though. It completely got rid of the grey haze that fucked up the entire image with HDR on.
Im sure there is some level of devs not agreeing with the release and the publisher pushing for the product to go to market, but as a consumer, I dont have to give a shit. Their name is on a shitty product.
That said, I finally decided to give it a go this weekend on ps4 pro and its not as completely horrendous as some were making it out to be. I had 1 hard crash but beyond that, the game is still playable (so far). For god sake, turn off HDR though. It completely got rid of the grey haze that fucked up the entire image with HDR on.
harmny
Banned
maybe those people want the game or don't really care. thought about that? i know friends that are casual gamers and they are loving the game on their last gen consoles. they don't read reviews at all and don't follow twitter gaming drama. they just play fifa and cod and gta. now cyberpunk. i think they are happy that cdpr released the game on last gen consoles.
they don't even see the bugs to be honest. unless they completely destroy the game. but luckily it hasn't happened to any of them. it may though. lol. and if that happens and they are unhappy they can get their money back.
you'll have to wait until their next launch to see that and i'd bet this won't happen again. not to this extent
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Nymphae
Banned
This happens regardless of preorders methinks, do you play videogames nowadays? What you sell to people impacts how they view future purchases from you.
This is how I buy products. They are always gambles. I tend to only purchase things that look interesting to me and I almost never let myself down. Yes sometimes I like to see reviews but in general, I throw down preorders for my guaranteed buys and am not disappointed. Typically even with preorders in, I am able to assess if something is a lemon before actually picking up and always retain the option to cancel the order, like I did here.
Not being able to return something after having bought it and not enjoying it would suck and yes I was lucky here, but this is simply part of buying into something early. Of course you could make more informed choices if you were to wait and see how everything lands. The vast majority of the time I am interested in buying a game, it turns out to be what I expected and I have no qualms about preordering. If one time out of a hundred I preorder a game I was excited for and it turns out to be a dud (No Man's Sky for example), I'll sell it, be salty, and be wary of more purchases from that dev. Doesn't make me want to stop preordering.
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It honest to god runs fine for me but if this many people are having issues then something should be done. You can release whatever games you want but they should be in working order when you play them. Having a working product is the first rule especially if it costs about sixty bucks. It's truly a shame because if it ran great on all platforms it would be a great game.
MrS
Banned
All good. Respect you broI don't defend CDPR for putting out a broken game on consoles, they're disgusting for doing that and the way they lied in their marketing is downright despicable, however I still love the game itself. It's my GOTY.
That's okay brother, you know I like you, just because we don't see eye to eye on this don't change that
Virt McPolygon
Banned
Cool that they are offering refunds. Should CDPR be given a pat on the back for that? Will gamers who fell for the marketing hype learn anything from this? No to both lol
Von Hugh
Gold Member
Red flags prior to release:
- multiple postpones
- impossible promises
- discounted retail price already prior to release?
PR:
- denying the usage of own gameplay footage for reviews
- still no console reviews available on Metacritic (?)
The game itself across all versions:
- buggy animations
- lackluster AI for pedestrians, drivers, cops, enemies
- crashing, clipping
Base console versions:
- 10 fps on numerous occasions
- weak image quality
Coming from The Witcher 3 and their past communicated values, I am very surprised.
- multiple postpones
- impossible promises
- discounted retail price already prior to release?
PR:
- denying the usage of own gameplay footage for reviews
- still no console reviews available on Metacritic (?)
The game itself across all versions:
- buggy animations
- lackluster AI for pedestrians, drivers, cops, enemies
- crashing, clipping
Base console versions:
- 10 fps on numerous occasions
- weak image quality
Coming from The Witcher 3 and their past communicated values, I am very surprised.
Team Andromeda
Member
The bugs are bad, but I've played many a game with terrible frame rates and got on with it mainly because the end game was too good to miss out on. I think most sensible people would know the PS4 and One were going to have massive issues running this game at all
Radical_3d
Member
Yeah. How come our nation of übermensch is always behi... oh, Cyberpunk 2077, I'll preorder it for XOneS.For real? That's crazy!
Why would you ever do that? It's like playing lottery with a ton of your own money.
Then again, I always did wonder how it seems that Spain continuously ends up in economic troubles
Team Andromeda
Member
