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Chancellor Merkel's approval rating rises, could very well remain Chancellor
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Germanys and most of Europes conservative view would be considered "left" in the US
Muffin1611
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Or even sent back.
If they push through adoption for homosexual couples, I'll be somewhat satisfied at least.
Canada lacks the economic and strategic importance of Germany. They're basically in charge of the EU, play a huge role in NATO, and are geographically close to most of the important places in the world.
Without a large army or big trading partners Canada isn't worth much.
This was done with the SPD and Green support. So what you're actually saying is the whole country might have moved to the right.
The result will be a coalition between the conservative OVP and right-wing FPO, we just don't know who will become chancellor (Kurz (OVP) or Strache (FPO)). The right-wing FPO is leading all polls since more than a year so a chancellor Strache is more likely.
That the SPD as the junior partner has to agree was to be expected. Thats how the things work.
That the greens really also agreed is something that I didnt knew and that actually disappoints me.
Gurgelhals
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The funny thing is that all those fancy bullshit labels that conservative parties in the Anglosphere come up with in order to distract from the fact that, in reality, they're just mustache-twirlingly evil bastards who don't give a shit about society at large actually apply to Merkel.
"Compassionate Conservatism" -> check
"Big Society" -> check
"strong and stable government" -> check
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Well, Gigawatts explained it rather clearly a couple posts over yours:
Despite any opinion anyone can have about her, it is undeniable she did at the very least, globally, an adequate job, and the country is in a rather good position right now. She more or less represents a sense of stability (that is quite needed right now).
Honestly, I think she will be reelected as long as she runs, though I doubt she'll go for a fifth term.
Calm waterfall
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Frankly i don´t like Merkel and i hope that the socialists win.
The greens just repeatedly ruled out a coalition with CDU and FDP, and I'm pretty sure they won't do this. There's a lot of bad blood between FDP and the Greens in NRW.
OVP leading the polls 28% SPO 28% and FPO 26%
hydrophilic attack
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What happened to the Schultzocalypse
Linkspartei winning is as possible as the Far Right winning. (=0%)
Bitch Pudding
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The SPD politicians aren't socialists. They are social democrats. Big difference. Die Linke however, successor of the formel communist party PDS from East Germany, has no chance of even being considered a junior partner after the next election.
Another state win for the CDU, another loss for the SPD. He wouldn't stop blinking during the interview just now. Maybe they will win next time. pfff
Oh please let the Linke lose 0,1%...
Gurgelhals
Member
With Kurz as their top candidate, the ÖVP would probably siphon off some support from the FPÖ and come out on top. But still. Kurz? As Chancellor? WTF?!?
this is just unnatural
To quote Schultz himself just now "I'm no magician".
Orniletter
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We are a pragmatic bunch and see Schulz for who he really is.
And our SPD/Green government sucked ass
SporeCrawler
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she was never in danger. spd was pro refugee just as her. the only risk was cdu not following her anymore.
its due to schroeders agenda 2010 that the german job market recovered (with many problems remaining, mind you). spd lost its appeal to the workers class due to this though
impressive that guy just turned 30. i dont like his rhetorik but still impressive
its due to schroeders agenda 2010 that the german job market recovered (with many problems remaining, mind you). spd lost its appeal to the workers class due to this though
impressive that guy just turned 30. i dont like his rhetorik but still impressive
crack-king
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what? Our available choices are poor. Social justice decreased in the last decade with continuity. We are getting poorer and poorer, have to work longer while the rich people are being still treated as the holy grail.
The SPD claims to be more social, but they are just the CDU with a different name. They can't even remember when the last time they did something for the social system.
When are we starting to tax rich people the same es poor? Just an example: When your salary exceeds a certain threshold (Not completely sure, but something around 56k) you are paying already the max amount for health insurance. So it doesn't matter if you get 2 million per year or 56k per year. Both pay the same amount. How is this fair? This is a huge amount of money that the social system doesn't see.
Or the private health insurances....I could continue for much longer (Insurance, Pension, education, environment,...), but I think it's clear that Germany or the EU is not the holy grail of politics. We are on our best way to USA 2.0 where the society is being fucked by the rich people, because they rule the country and are getting richer and richer while the poor are getting poorer and poorer.
Guys the main challenger wasn't an alt-right nut, it was Schulz, left-wing. (State elections definitely point to Merkel winning, though.)
I very much don't like Merkel's stance on fiscal hardlining in Europe in a moment where public spending would be needed, but she's done a pretty good job.
I very much don't like Merkel's stance on fiscal hardlining in Europe in a moment where public spending would be needed, but she's done a pretty good job.
Meh, that's an oversimplification, these numbers are way too volatile still. :/
yup, it's also way too early too judge how the 'core' ÖVP voters will react to Kurz' demands and proposals. There's many ÖVP voters who do not like Kurz, because he's kind of a young snob.
On the other hand, he's also a "charismatic strong leader" who's positioned himself to be further right on the political spectrum than some might have expected - so that might sway some 'conservative'-leaning FPÖ voters back to the ÖVP.
SporeCrawler
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i would vote for her for the first time due to the refugee crisis. she was the one of the few leaders (i know that sweden, austria, greece etc. also did a lot but a lot of other countries just acted like war refugees are a menace) that handled the situation with humanitarian principles in mind.
however i cannot since her party is not available in my state
Calm waterfall
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lol thanks I had an old one from last week. Kurz will held a press conference any minute from now and announce his official candidacy for the upcoming election. He wants to run under an own list (like Macron in France) but with the support of his conservative party and a complete restart of the conservative party.
Link: https://derstandard.at/jetzt/livebe...-parteivorstand-beraet-ueber-kurz-bedingungen
Edit: The press conference is over, the new name for the party / movement is: Sebastian Kurz - The new People's Party. He will lead the party with almost absolute power.
Well, the green party is too weak and the NEOS (liberal party) might join Kurz, there is no way that the SPO or Green Party are in the next government, Kern is done.
Muffin1611
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FUCK ME.
If this is true, CDU and FDP coalition might be possible. What a fucking waste. 4,9% Linke, really???
SporeCrawler
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lets not forget that every german is entitled to hartz iv if they are jobless which includes, health insurance (for free), rent (for free) and a modest amount for living.
also education (incl. university) is largely free as well. you even get a state student loan where 50% is a subsidy.
as someone who also has seen system where you are supposed to die in a gutter if you dont have money it seems like a very humane system to me.
SporeCrawler
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afd is way too high, you dissapoint me nrw
crack-king
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hartz IV sounds good, but it is not good...It's just to not enough in germany... Education may be free, but it's not great. It has so many flaws...And while speaking about being "free". The richer your parents are the better your education will be...why? because schools are not that great and parents have to help the children, which is of course easier for richer people. So it's advertised as free, but in reality...
And I don't say that we are living in the worst country ever, but it didn't got better in the last 15-20 years, but mostly worse and I don't see any hope...
Muffin1611
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My state is disappointing me heavily right now. CDU-FDP possible, more AfD voters than Green voters.
This really isn't funny.
I'm glad Germany doesn't seem to be as susceptible to the type of bullshit Trump & US Republicans use to get elected
Orniletter
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Oh, sure ! No disagreements there. I was talking about NRW's last state government under Hannelore Kraft.
Edit: Oh my, the left under 5%. Fantastic.
1.21Gigawatts
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Its not that easy. The political spectrum just isn't really comparable between the US and the EU.
The US is for example discussing stuff like universal healthcare, free college education, paid maternity leave etc. Being for that stuff makes you left wing in the US.
All these things are a given in Europe. Not even the most extremist right winger would oppose them.
That kind of libertarian, "small government", fiscally conservative right just doesn't exist in Europe.
Its socially conservative parties and the next step to the right is nationalist ones. And when its comes to the nationalists the spectrum goes full circle because they usually are big fans of socialist policies.
So if we compare these politicians and judge them by American standards we have too look at groups of issues individually.
On social issues Merkel is mildly conservative rather centrist, basically like Obama or Hillary Clinton 10 years ago.
On social systems Merkel is clearly left wing, like Bernie Sanders but more coherent.
On foreign policy Merkel is definitely a globalist rather than a nationalist.
On environmental issues she is progressive.
Like what?
apart from torching his climate change commitments by selling billions of dollars in newly discovered oil, sure.
Mexican food.
Like, why is there no Mexican food in Germany? Why do Mexicans hate us so much?
This is not necessarily true.
You talk like education is dependent on money like in the US.
My mom was a single parent and we lived off Hartz 4 all my childhood. I still made my Abitur and studied applied computer science and only paid ~2k which was mostly paid for by the government (although i loned it via BAföG).
gutter_trash
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the trend of the last decades of Socialist affiliated parties across Europe like Germany's SPD and France's PS + others is that these S parties have become so establishment that they are no longer really Socialists LOL
so the fractruing on the Left not giving enough support to these S parties has been a continental phonemoneon .
when a Socialist party wins power than finds out that they must do hard decisions and end doing the same thing as the Conservative parties do; that's when Lefty voters give up support for them
so the fractruing on the Left not giving enough support to these S parties has been a continental phonemoneon .
when a Socialist party wins power than finds out that they must do hard decisions and end doing the same thing as the Conservative parties do; that's when Lefty voters give up support for them
crack-king
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Centralize the education system.
Repair schools (there was one study some time ago, which said that schools need around 34 billion euro to be renovated)
Invest in teachers, especially good teachers
Dismantle private health and pension insurances
Invest in the infrastructure (e.g. roads)
Increase the minimum wage
Forbid "Zeitarbeit" or give much stricter regulations. People are being held as slaves there.
Increase taxes for the rich people
Increase taxes for big companies
Introduce the basic income
Invest in digital infrustructure
Net neutrality must be a given
Stop the spying on own people with the NSA
That's just quick brainstorming.
crack-king
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I also have parents that migrated from a different country, both are working but are definitely not rich and I still made abitur, I studied and I now have a great job. But it's not secret that the chances for kids of rich people are much better. But there are always exceptions and that's great.
EDIT: Oh fuck, sorry for the doppel posting
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