Psychoward
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The bolded quotes in the OP hardly sound like jokes and I'm someone who's pretty lenient when it comes to comedy.
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Chappelle criticizes Clinton and LGBT activists, defends Trump's sexual assault
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Im not even sure youre being serious.
We are talking about the same guy who has made rape jokes. And i admit it was hilarious when i watched him perform. And the crowd laughed along.
But i also understand hes a comedian who is performing. Key word, perform. Ive taught sexual assault/abuse classes to military members, I definitely understand the severity. And rape itself is no joke.
But You have to take it all in context. I can understand why someone would be offended by a rape joke, you dont have to like his material. But context is key. And im willing to bet people being enraged right now are most likely taking the texts of his performanare out of context and not seperating dave the man and dave the comedian.
Gordon Shumway
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This is true, sadly..
Smooth Operator
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Can someone please find Ja Rule ??
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if anybody got Dave tickets they dont want anymore, contact me. I'll gladly take em.
Psychoward
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What exactly is proper context that would make his statement about LGBT folks ok? Where is the joke? I'm not seeing any.
Intheflorsh
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A Link to the Past
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But even with that, I can and have observed that Chappelle treats humor about trans people differently than humor of black people. You bring up people missing the context of his work and using it in ways that make him uncomfortable, but as I noted, as a trans person, I am uncomfortable with a joke referenced in this thread about him about people having sex with a trans person despite finding it gross to do so; at least, with the way the joke is presented, it suggests that the butt of the joke is the trans person, which to me, was Chappelle's issue with his show, that the butt of the joke became black people, rather than racism.
I'm going to disagree with you here because again, I went to one of the shows and even though it was a month or so ago, I don't think his material for this show was just made up. In the show I saw he talked about the controversy with the bathrooms and thought ultimately thought it was dumb. I can't remember the joke specifically but I do remember the audience clapping because ultimately his conclusion should be that this shouldn't be an issue. So I don't think it's equally likely that he means what you think he does. I'm not saying Dave is perfect or defending discrimination of trans people, but people are so quick to judge how horrible he is as a person when they don't know the full story and are believing something written by an outlet that most of this site would dismiss if it was about politics or really anything else. From what I saw, I don't believe Dave has anything against trans people, he might use insensitive language that is probably born out of the time that he grew up, like I don't condone him using the term lady boy, but I don't think it's done out of malice than 1. Ignorance and 2. It's a funny sounding (but hurtful) word
What is intersectionality for 500 Alex
Haha I think I've seen this gif posted like 4 times already in this thread.
As already pointed out, we dont really know the delivery or context
A Link to the Past
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I do not think anyone's saying he is a horrible person in this thread - at most, they are airing their grievances about something offensive he said. For me personally, I could simply look at him saying "tranny" and kind of sigh. I do believe that he does not hate trans people, but that his language can and has been hateful.
Netherscourge
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This election is gonna ruin a few careers.
I can see him saying all of those quotes in the OP. Probably still a hilarious stand up.
Dave's comedy has always had elements of homophobia, transphobia, and even sexism. He's unrelenting in that way, but his critical eye for events and situations still make him a peerless comedian. Punching down is always unfortunate, but not out of his character.
Dave's comedy has always had elements of homophobia, transphobia, and even sexism. He's unrelenting in that way, but his critical eye for events and situations still make him a peerless comedian. Punching down is always unfortunate, but not out of his character.
alleyezonme
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Yes there are black lbgt people and women , but to them race comes first . Lbgt and women have every right for equality but to compare it to race of people I think makes some not all African Americans feel a certain way.
I am not saying whether whoever feels a certain way is right or wrong , I'm only explaining how people like Chappelle come to think the way they do.
They would argue that more has been done for lbgt and women in the US compared to black people as a whole. While that is great for them it causes some to have bad feelings towards them when they compare their struggle to African Americans who feel left behind.
Utter bullshit.
Hmmm. Yeah I can see that. That's fair.
Frozenprince
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This is actually the result of a conscious diversionary tactic that was devised by conservatives to target and shift the black vote to them in the late 80's early 90's.
Frozenprince
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Yeah, Dave Chappelle has many varied, nuanced, brilliant bits on race and racial relationships.
But he's ignorant at best and hateful at worst when it comes to LGBT, and especially trans, issues.
This is not a new thing. This is something that he's had since he started doing stand-up.
You're entitled to believe that, and I think if I hadn't seen him live and talk about it I might be with you. I just don't think there's evidence there that he's transphobic or anything. I think he uses language from another time when referring to trans people (that doesn't make it ok), and is slow to adapt, but I do think he's adapting
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But... but I like dave chapelle...
Mhm, troo... as others have mentioned he's also horrible on matters of sexual assault. I used to like some aspects of Chappelle (mostly his interview with Lipton and a few racial sketches) but over the past year, he's soured on me even more.
Frozenprince
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Frozenprince
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That's the thing too, it's not even an inventive joke, it's basically the same joke that people were making 30 years ago about the issue.
It's something I'd expect off Killing them softly.
TheWorthyEdge
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Bet you guys are real excited for SNL now...
partyphone
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"slow to adapt" is a euphemism for "actually he doesn't give a shit"
Maximus.
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No he shouldn't stay retired. He is a great comedian. Some weird shit said regardless though.
Laughed at the quotes by "spies".
But Dave is the one running the oppression Olympics here. He is making the comparison. And why is a comparison a bad thing anyway?
I don't think it's bullshit that people are slow to change. In fact I think that's simply the reality. Again, I'm not condoning what he's saying, nor how he says it, but he's not just randomly throwing in a trans joke from nowhere and moving away from it. People are nuanced.
FWIW, when he brought up Caitlyn Jenner in the set I saw, he just remarked about being curious to see what she'd look like in sports illustrateabout think he said something else aboit not really sure she was in he news but I could be misremembering). He sprung off that into the bathroom thing, made a joke about it and said it was dumb. He didn't shit on Jenner, he identified her as she wanted to be identified and made a couple of jokes. He was joking just as much about white people, harambe, hillary, trump, Mariah Carey's sister, etc.
Nope. Youre being too reductive. I do think he is changing. If not, I don't mind admitting I'm wrong, but he even talked about how his friend whose a radical feminist has changed his views on some things.
For some weird reason people on this board think that you must change over night or something or you can't change at all. That's a weird thing to think about people.
old manatee
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lol, I was just having a conversation the other day about how if his show was on now, people would hate him and people would be in constant uproar about it.
yeah, i'm going to take the word of someone who gets upset at 'edgy' comedy transcribing from memory and without the pacing and rythm of a comedian to correctly convey these jokes.
Even if they were misfires or not funny, there's definitely nuggets of truth in all of these jokes. The inability to criticize your own 'side' this election has made me sick. Yeah, Trump can't be president, I think many of us understand that, but to not be able to say, hey we're focusing on the wrong shit, or, our pick for president is somewhat underwhelming, or I just outright hate some of the things she's done, is just BS.
I will say his views of the consent thing is just wrong.
EDIT: oh and i missed the whole rights part, again, as transcribed, that sounds pretty fucking shitty. Again though, comedian vs. transcribed by non-comedian looking to get other people on their own 'outrage' train.
yeah, i'm going to take the word of someone who gets upset at 'edgy' comedy transcribing from memory and without the pacing and rythm of a comedian to correctly convey these jokes.
Even if they were misfires or not funny, there's definitely nuggets of truth in all of these jokes. The inability to criticize your own 'side' this election has made me sick. Yeah, Trump can't be president, I think many of us understand that, but to not be able to say, hey we're focusing on the wrong shit, or, our pick for president is somewhat underwhelming, or I just outright hate some of the things she's done, is just BS.
I will say his views of the consent thing is just wrong.
EDIT: oh and i missed the whole rights part, again, as transcribed, that sounds pretty fucking shitty. Again though, comedian vs. transcribed by non-comedian looking to get other people on their own 'outrage' train.
alleyezonme
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Many people have compared the rights of black people to the lbgt and women , I could get a source but I think its a given. I'm typing so I'm not trying to sound like a smart alec or whatever it is called but I explained in my other posts why it is not a good comparison
Frozenprince
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And once again the entire concept of the "oppression olympics" was designed by those doing the oppressing to divide sub-groups and minorities from one another.
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Dave Chappelle next Hitler confirmed
SlowRevolution
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Oof
Frozenprince
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Yo alright look people saying shit like this is exactly why people just brush this kind of stuff off.
There's limits and appropriate reactions to shit.
alleyezonme
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Aren't different minorities and sub groups all ready divided naturally ? So it would only make sense that they would care for their own first and foremost before others. That is not to say that they should be against each other but its also not like they are allies either.
There are black gay women some who put their race before their gender or sexual preference.
Frozenprince
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They are allies though, that's the point, they should naturally be allies against their mutual oppressor. That division was created artificially.
For instance the nature/nurture debate was specifically crafted and created in order to alienate other opporessed groups from LGBT people. "See they choose to be gay I didn't chose to be black."
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