Not true, we'll care at the next seismic event killing another couple of hundreds people... for a week or two, anyway.
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Charlie Hebdo cartoon on Italy earthquake sparks anger
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Not true, we'll care at the next seismic event killing another couple of hundreds people... for a week or two, anyway.
Well, they're harsh against french people too.
But there's two debates, unrelated to me:
- whether it's good or bad
- whether they can or can't do it.
I'm not sure there's a lot of people doing a 180... You can say a cartoon is bad, awful, or even that all their cartoons are awful, and still defend their right to have bad taste and do awful cartoons.
I don't think the whole "I am Charlie" has anything to do with liking or not their cartoons, or even thinking they should draw any given cartoon.
It's mostly about not deciding what you can or can't do because some people don't want it done. Again, I don't like them, but for all tasteless their content is, I believe they're entitled to publish it as long as it's not against a law.
Count Dookkake
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I really hope these guys aren't killed by Italian terrorists.
Sounds to me like the message was on point from the Italian posters?
It was tragic and I feel for my fellow Europeans, it is hard however to overlook how trivialized the apparent dangers of the "earthquake proof" houses were, especially considering that Italy is a earthquake active area.
Tasteless joke? Maybe. On point? I must be honest and say I do think so. Charlie Hebdo keeps doing what they've always done. And I still stand by their right to keep doing it.
It was tragic and I feel for my fellow Europeans, it is hard however to overlook how trivialized the apparent dangers of the "earthquake proof" houses were, especially considering that Italy is a earthquake active area.
Tasteless joke? Maybe. On point? I must be honest and say I do think so. Charlie Hebdo keeps doing what they've always done. And I still stand by their right to keep doing it.
entremet
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Kinda my thoughts as well. They will strike out a lot with their type of humor.
CyclopsRock
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You can't have a thread on GAF about CH without 90% of posters literally interpreting the message backwards.
radios shipping overview
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I have no use for this magazine and I have no particular interest in speaking even-handedly when it comes to their right to shit the bed.
Which tells me that they write comics with the assumption that a lot of the context will already have been communicated to their (small) audience, and everyone else can get fucked.
Which tells me that they write comics with the assumption that a lot of the context will already have been communicated to their (small) audience, and everyone else can get fucked.
Wow, it's one thing to say they have a right to be racist, but it's another thing entirely to say you personally want them to continue to do what they're doing.
That's why racism will never die, when diet racism is not only accepted, but encouraged.
Mr Waluigi
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Yeah, that's about it. CH isn't some kind of mainstream magazine, them getting a lot of coverage after the shootings hasn't changed that.
One of the cartoons in a recent CH issue is tasteless. Nothing to see here. I don't get why people are offended (well, I get why Italians would be offended but yeah).
Today I learned Charlie Hebdo was a racist magazine!
ReplacementPelican
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Are you saying that we can't criticise it because we're not the audience? The Transformers movies aren't made for me but I sure as Hell criticise them.
This isn't funny, it's tasteless. There's no 'you're just not getting it' here. It's not high-art or intelligently satirical, it's just offensive for the sake of a faux-edginess that it's pseudo-intellectual fanbase can laugh at and feel smugly superior to all those 'silly reactionists'. It's a shame that people would think that laughing at the deaths and losses of others is funny in any way even if you're going to pretend it's actually about Italy's poor housing quality.
You must have missed all the other threads...
Not sure why it come back here. The pasta reference?
No, you can criticise all you want, of course...
I'm just referring to people that want to forbid this.
No talking about this cartoon in particular, but I feel like death is not sacred. Although you need to be really, really good when you try it.
It's not new, I mean, 46 years ago, the magazine that became Charlie Hebdo the next year, published this:
(tragic party at Colombey, 1 dead)
which was announcing the death of the french president, and alluding at a fire in a dancing room that killed more than 100 people if I'm not mistaken.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
I think you're confusing two of their drawings.
The first one was published on January 7, 2015, actually four days before the Charlie Hebdo shooting:
Caption: "Happy New Year Wishes: al-Baghdadi said his too!"
Bubble: "And good health especially!"
The second one was indeed published in the aftermath of the shooting:
Caption: "Meanwhile, in Bangladesh..."
Bubble: "Our hearts go out to you!"
depths20XX
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Just seems like a lame edge lord comic.
SolidusDave
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Yes, that's exactly the joke. This satirical magazine loves to mock dead kids and their families, nothing more to it.
Damn it guys get your shit together, have a bit more common sense than just outrage culture.
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Wait, what?
Heavy's Sandvich
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#jesuischarlie
I don't find most of their jokes particularly funny or interesting myself, but yeah, i'm with them continuing with their brand of humor.
I do like dark humor myself, so it'd be well hypocritical of me to cry out about tastelessness now.
In this particular instance too (and i don't know why it has to do with racism), i'm fine with them making satire about the situation in Italy, i just wished they would attack on the political side deeper, like they did with the second cartoon posted here, instead of just resorting to the Pasta joke, which doesn't really address the corruption/Mafia angle, and is sort of "limp dicked".
But yes, i'm fine with stuff like this existing in the world, whether i personally find it funny or not.
I'm also fine with people giving them shit, this is what you deal with if you want to write edgy, offensive material, people will get offended.
As long as that offense is expressed in civil ways, i should add.
It's not just buildings being shoddy.
Some of these buildings were supposedly restructured to be anti-seismic, with public money, yet here we are.
Those buildings came down anyway, and the money's gone, and the people are dead.
This is honestly exemplary of the number one problem with this country, unfortunately represented by one horrible tragedy.
Not sure how the pasta comic relates to that, but the second one does, at least.
about how i feel about it
Mr Waluigi
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"If you are defending this, it's only because it's Charlie Hebdo!"
No. No one likes Charlie Hebdo, it's a relatively crappy satirical magazine that tries too hard to be edgy more often than not, and that most people don't enjoy. It doesn't mean you are allowed to rewrite history and say CH is some racist right-wing magazine just because you refuse to accept context matters. You know a satirical magazine can be shit and have liberal messages, right? The cartoonists over at CH are assholes who deliberately try to stir shit up, but it doesn't mean they are spreading or even supporting hateful messages. They are just very hit-and-miss (and this cartoon in particular is a complete miss).
Business
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I remember some people were so offended they went and shot down CH employees. Hopefully now there will be more sense.
The Wraith
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I dont see the point in them doing this cartoon.
Everytime non French people get exposed to Charlie Hebdo, they freak out. This isn't anything new. Charlie Hebdo has been like this since forever. Since before Charlie Hebdo even existed (the name Charlie comes from Charles de Gaulle - the founding editors' previous magazine Hara Kiri was banned after they published a cartoon mocking Charles de Gaulle's death).
Their whole shtick is "you have to be able to laugh at anything". If you can't, then don't read their comics.
I personally don't really care for them, but I'll defend them against those calling them scum, trash, etc. Let them draw what they want to.
Their whole shtick is "you have to be able to laugh at anything". If you can't, then don't read their comics.
I personally don't really care for them, but I'll defend them against those calling them scum, trash, etc. Let them draw what they want to.
freethoughtbubble
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You can find this comic tasteless and awful, and still believe in the freedom of speech and support Hebdo's right to publish it. I find the people questioning both to be more offensive than this hugely offensive comic.
The fact that the comic gets the reactions it does (both online and in this very thread) is the reason they continue to make these. Because no matter what kind of a reaction it gets, it at least gets one. It gets attention. And hopefully the people who's attention it grabs will take more than 5 seconds to look and it and try to figure out what they're saying. That for all the crudeness CH puts into their comics, they are in fact trying to portray a message. That's what they expect people to look into.
That is, people everywhere except here apparently.
Because no matter how many people actually try to explain the context behind it, or CH's modus operandi in general, people will walk in, see dead people, IMMEDIATELY assume the worst of it and stand their ground on why they believe it's pure racist garbage shit making fun of a tragedy. Each and every time we have a CH thread here.
And it's fine to think that this comic is garbage. I think it is to! It was a poor piece of satire out of them, because it didn't really sell the message they were apparently trying to say, and that the second comic out of them clarified better.
But I'm tired of seeing every single CH thread as being a mix of hot takes and instant, almost reflex like reactions of arguing without stopping and trying to figure out what it's saying, and immediately trying to label all CH as just a burning tire fire of racism and edginess.
It's just a regular old burning tire fire. One with a left leaning message of all things.
LyleLanley
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When did the word "edgy" become a meme?
I don't think they are (or were) all assholes. For example, Cabu was a wonderfully nice and gentle person. I don't know well all people working there because I don't care for the magazine (I don't like it either) but I'm sure there's others.
I don't even believe they really try to stir shit up, although they probably all believe that you have to use a freedom to keep it.
Other than that, I agree.
Then all you read was about the horrible earthquake in Italy and none of the background story, that is what Charlie Hebdo from my experience every time one of these threads pop up seem to often make fun of.
In this case, corruption in Italy led to "earthquake proof" houses being built with public money but not really, the money was embezzled and moved over to the mafia and then shitty houses were built in a earthquake prone area. People died. Charlie Hebdo decided to make fun of this fact.
~2005. As part of emo's explosion into mainstream popularity, you had people constantly trying to one up each other in how dark and brooding they were, in more and more ridiculous (and stereotypical) fashion. Typically a lot of love for the occult, grimdark, etc.
When people began doing it as a way to stand out and grab attention, this became known as trying to be "edgy" (in mememic terms)
An edgelord is a specific term to describe someone who is particularly edgy. Thus you would get a lot of people calling CH a bunch of "edgelords".
Edgy has long since lost it's original emo roots, and is more just about people trying to be ultra-contrarian or hold ridiculous positions for the purpose (possibly sole purpose) of shock and attention.
This has been a shitty internet Meme learning minute.
some cherrypicking you are doing.
Neither do I. I came in with that expectation, too.
Seems like a piece of shit magazine. Its mindblowing people defend it as hard as they do on here. They can draw whatever they want but they don't need their purposely offensive shit constantly defended.
Yes, actually, it is really shocking that people would want to inflict harm over drawings. The fuck is wrong with those people?
Straight Edge
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This thread outs people who would be first in line to curtail human rights because they disagreed with something.
Mr Waluigi
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I didn't literally mean they are all assholes but collectively, being assholes is what they aim for. They want to stir shit up, but by that I also mean that they want to trigger discussion by pushing the first domino. The issue is that it is often tasteless (although it being tasteless is also the point more often than not).
yeah, it's disappointing and scary.
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