Choosing a gaming Mouse

My 3 year old Logitech MX Revolution that I use at work is starting to die, and it's making me sad. I love the mouse but damn it was expensive
 
Logitech MX518 the last mouse you will ever need. Also do not EVER buy anything for Mionix they are a crooked company. Their firmware is horrible. Promises to update the firmware are made every time you email them complaining, within 3-5 days they always say they will update it. This went on for like 8 months with me and I stopped caring, just went back to my 518.
 
My only problem with the G400 is the mouse wheel, to me it feels too loose. The 518's wheel is ratcheted more firmly. Otherwise I'd be all over the G400. I am considering getting a 518, I had one years ago.
 
I've had a Logitech G5 Rev2 since 2007 and it still works like new, I had an MX518 before which was also very good and still works to this day (gave it to my brother) but the G5 was definitely an upgrade, except for maybe the odd blue cracked color scheme logitech decided on.

The on the fly adjustable DPI is nice and being able to adjust its overall weight is a plus (removable weight cartridge).

I took it apart last year to clean out the mouse wheel area which had collected a lot of dust / dirt over time, this eventually made the wheel not move as freely, but it's back to working like new since cleaning it.

When I first bought it I immediately noticed it glides across my mousepad with a lot less effort vs. previous MX518, I believe this is due to the G5's larger feet.

Just took this pic, It has definitely been a trooper over the years.
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Stock G5 photo showing the larger feet:
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MX518 feet:
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spirity said:
My only problem with the G400 is the mouse wheel, to me it feels too loose. The 518's wheel is ratcheted more firmly. Otherwise I'd be all over the G400. I am considering getting a 518, I had one years ago.
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I went directly from the 518 to the G400 and the mouse wheel feels perfectly fine to me. Dunno.
 
Zeliard said:
I went directly from the 518 to the G400 and the mouse wheel feels perfectly fine to me. Dunno.
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Well, the G400 I tried was one that was on display in a store. I wonder if the wheel was just loose from other people having pawed it, or maybe it was a used return or something.
 
If you are right handed , and have larger hands , i HIGHLY recommend steelseries IKARI :

http://steelseries.com/products/mice/steelseries-ikari-laser

It feels a lot like the old intellimouse explorer , soooo comfy and just a fantastic mouse in general.

Worth the money , that or sensei.

Razer is ok but they won't last as long as steelseries as per my experiences. (Nor as comfy)

In the end its all about personal comfort imo , go to the store and fondle some mice. Erotic.
 
I'd stay away from Roccat. Bought one of their first releases the Kone which I ended up having to trade in 4 times!! because the mouse wheel broke. The fourth mouse I got their updated version and a week later it started double-clicking on single mouses presses.

Another "gaming" company that will sell you cheap trash at premium prices.
 
Sethos said:
I'd stay away from Roccat. Bought one of their first releases the Kone which I ended up having to trade in 4 times!! because the mouse wheel broke. The fourth mouse I got their updated version and a week later it started double-clicking on single mouses presses.

Another "gaming" company that will sell you cheap trash at premium prices.
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I hear ya. A lot of people have had problems with double clicking with various models and the wheel is supposed to be a bit flaky. But the Savu is getting a lot of good press at the moment, and (judging by their pr blurbs on those two new mice I mentioned) it looks like they may have addressed the durability issues. I dunno, we'll see. Maybe they've turned a corner, I hope so because I was really impressed with the software they use. I know that doesn't really count for much when they have hardware issues, but its the best I've seen. Very configurable, creating profiles is a snap and it just does what you'd want it to do. Razer is pretty bad in this regard and the less said about Logitech's setpoint the better.

I'm using a steelseries sensei right now (a friend was kind enough to loan me one to try out). It tracks really well but it fatigues my hand. Maybe its the ambidextrous design, but it kinda hurts to use it and my hands sweats too.
 
Haha, I can't quite believe this. Razer's new Synapse 2.0 software.

This really took me by surprise. Just bought a new Naga 2012 mouse, installed the software and get greeted by a login screen right after. No option to bypass it to use the software to configure the mouse, set the options, sensitivity, shortcuts, macros etc.

So I go ahead and create an account and try to log in. Nothing. Try several more times, and still nothing. Try to make new accounts with different email addresses and it still wont work.

Finally call Razer who tells me the activation server is down, and I wont be able to use the mouse until it goes back up and will only be able to use it as a standard plug and play mouse til then. I ask about a workaround to use the mouse offline and they say there is none. Supposedly once the mouse is activated on the computer offline mode will work, but it needs to upload my profile and activate my account first and since their server is down its not going to happen. I ask for a supervisor to confirm this is the case and ask again for a workaround to use it offline. He said sorry theres nothing they can do, tells me the call center is closing and hangs up on me.
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From the Razer Synapse TOS agreement:

“User Generated Information” means any information made available to Razer through your use of the Software. Subject to the Privacy Policy mentioned above, you expressly grant Razer the complete and irrevocable right to use, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, distribute, transmit, broadcast, and otherwise communicate, and publicly display and perform the User Generated Information and derivative works thereof in any form, anywhere, with or without attribution to you, and without any notice or compensation to you of any kind.

By using Razer Synapse 2.0 (“Synapse”), the Subscriber agrees that Razer may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information. Razer may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties. Razer shall not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except as described in the policy below.
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http://www.overclock.net/t/1319323/...internet-connection-or-their-servers-are-down
 
JRW said:
I've had a Logitech G5 Rev2 since 2007 and it still works like new, I had an MX518 before which was also very good and still works to this day (gave it to my brother) but the G5 was definitely an upgrade, except for maybe the odd blue cracked color scheme logitech decided on.

The on the fly adjustable DPI is nice and being able to adjust its overall weight is a plus (removable weight cartridge).

I took it apart last year to clean out the mouse wheel area which had collected a lot of dust / dirt over time, this eventually made the wheel not move as freely, but it's back to working like new since cleaning it.

When I first bought it I immediately noticed it glides across my mousepad with a lot less effort vs. previous MX518, I believe this is due to the G5's larger feet.

Just took this pic, It has definitely been a trooper over the years.
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Stock G5 photo showing the larger feet:
MhsSo.jpg


MX518 feet:
stu_mice_518bottom.jpg
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I really miss the weight adjustment of G5 but the laser tracker didn't sit well with me at all at the time. If I could get the weight adjustments but performance of G400 be super happy.

The wheel quality should be better mine has nice hard snap to it.
 
I used a Stellseries Xai and was happy with it until it regularly double-clicked and the glide pads abraded (after 2 years of heavy use)

Now I wonder if I should get the Sensei, or if if there is something else of similar design and sensitivity that lasts longer.
 
I have never ever found a situation where my MX518 would've felt inaccurate. I use it for Starcraft, FPS games and work. The arms race in keyboards and mouses is funny to witness. There's a point where the added accuracy will net you nothing and top tier equipment won't make you a better gamer lol.
 
sorijealut said:
Collect click-stream information directly from your mouse product...?

GENIUS lol

Okay, that is quite saddening because I thought their new mouse was quite cool.
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Min-Liang Tan - Co-Founder said:
We invented onboard memory for gaming mice many years ago and called it Synapse to allow gamers to bring their profiles with them on the go. However, we realized that we ran into another issue where we had to keep increasing the amount of memory onboard to provide for more storage and this resulted in higher and higher prices for gamers.

We then invented Synapse 2.0 where we could provide almost limitless amount of storage for profiles, macros, etc in the cloud as opposed to being limited by physical memory.

We wanted to avoid raising prices to gamers for higher memory space onboard (think about it like having to buy bigger and bigger hard drives as opposed to having all your storage on the cloud) and provide a much better service for our users.

Synapse 2.0 is NOT DRM. Our products work perfectly well out of the box without Synapse 2.0. Synapse 2.0 provides ADDITIONAL functionality of almost limitless memory in the cloud as opposed to taking away functionality (which is what DRM is).

We recognize that gamers will want to be able to use their gear without an online connection, and that's why Synapse 2.0 has an OFFLINE mode. Basically you have to register, create an account, save your initial settings and if you so prefer, you can stay in offline mode all the time without going online.

I realize that we have had issues with the activation server, and we're making sure we get that sorted out.
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It looks like they added profile cloud support. I don't think they're spying on your mouse clicks or anything. The terms of the ToS do suck though. Most of them do, and they're depressing to read.
 
We invented onboard memory for gaming mice many years ago and called it Synapse to allow gamers to bring their profiles with them on the go. However, we realized that we ran into another issue where we had to keep increasing the amount of memory onboard to provide for more storage and this resulted in higher and higher prices for gamers.
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Lets look at those costs he's talking about.

Adding up config files for your profiles, settings, macros etc would probably weigh in at kilobytes. Maybe 1mb, maybe even 2mb at the most.

How much is flash memory right now? Around $1 per gigabyte, which is 1000 times bigger than your typical set of mouse config/profile files. The Razer CEO is trying to convince people they're doing this to avoid having to pass the costs of increased memory requirements onto the gamer. But the fact of the matter is that if they were to pass those costs onto us, it would mean a few pence increase. Not much more. You certainly wouldn't notice the cost if they added it to the mouse. He's lying by stating he's saving you money. He's saving you nothing at all. You aren't even given the option to store these files locally. It must be done through the cloud, which requires you to set up an online account and agree to the TOS.

There's something really iffy about all of this. I'm supposed to use the cloud to store by Skyrim profile, but the TOS I agree to means my personal information can be collected and distributed to Razer's partners?
 
I have a question guys that hopefully someone can answer here. What is that I should look for in a mouse if I want it to be as precise as possible? A high DPI? My current Naga is good and all but I feel like sometimes during games it isn't perfect. I feel like the aimer jumps or skips a little. Maybe it's my mind playing games. Anyways, what do I look for, the highest DPI possible?
 
zazrx said:
I have a question guys that hopefully someone can answer here. What is that I should look for in a mouse if I want it to be as precise as possible? A high DPI? My current Naga is good and all but I feel like sometimes during games it isn't perfect. I feel like the aimer jumps or skips a little. Maybe it's my mind playing games. Anyways, what do I look for, the highest DPI possible?
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There's multiple threads on overclock.net that covers a lot of gaming mouse stuff. I'd strongly recommend the Logitech gaming line or Steelseries stuff if you're looking for the best sensors, since they don't act strange on liftoff/over. I'm partial to the G9x because of it's shape, but if you want a direct replacement for your Naga, the G600 is pretty damned great.
 
zazrx said:
I have a question guys that hopefully someone can answer here. What is that I should look for in a mouse if I want it to be as precise as possible? A high DPI? My current Naga is good and all but I feel like sometimes during games it isn't perfect. I feel like the aimer jumps or skips a little. Maybe it's my mind playing games. Anyways, what do I look for, the highest DPI possible?
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I haven't encountered this problem. What's the polling rate?
 
I just got a g400 (for the price mainly, but I don't like the look of the newer models personally), how should I configure the extra buttons I don't need for their default functions (dpi switch, forward, back, etc) to be recognized as just mouse 3, 4, 5, 6, etc. in games? Or is this not possible and I'm supposed to set them as keyboard letters instead, or make game specific profiles?
 
sorijealut said:
Collect click-stream information directly from your mouse product...?

GENIUS lol

Okay, that is quite saddening because I thought their new mouse was quite cool.
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Yeah, it's pretty pathetic that it's an online profile. I actually searched and searched until I found the old drivers for my Naga. I plan to get another Logitech when this finally dies out. Probably the G600 assuming I can get used to that pinky button.
 
Could someone enlighten me? Why would anyone want to LOWER their DPI setting? Why would you make your mouse less accurate?

Also that Cyborg RAT9 is definitely something that looks interesting, would it be good for fingertip?
 
DivineRage002 said:
Could someone enlighten me? Why would anyone want to LOWER their DPI setting? Why would you make your mouse less accurate?
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It changes how it responds, it may be that with a small motion you get HUGE cursor motion in game. Like those Quake pros that barely move their mouse yet do constant 360s. So you could for example have it at a decent DPI when playing normally then switch to high dpi when controlling some turret in a game that's normally responding very slowly to mouselook, then switch back when you're out. It's like an on the fly sensitivity setting. I doubt I'll use it much myself, just leaving it at the default 800 and setting my sensitivity based on that. I suppose high DPI also helps with precision but that's only for pros to tell.
 
I just got a G500 but I don't know how I feel about the scroll wheel. Maybe I just need more time with it until I get used to it.

Nvm the little button fixes the scroll wheel for me. I just need some time to get used to it. Liking it so far. Need to find the right weight.
 
So I've had a Roccat Kone XTD for a few months now and so far so good. Build quality is excellent (so far.. I have had bad luck with mice in the past). Its a pretty large mouse but I've got used to it now. Paired it up with a steelseries cloth pad, tracking seems pretty good. Overall I'm pleased, but the price tag is probably a bit too high.
 
I found that the smallest and lightest mouse is the easiest to use.

All that pro-gaming baloney advertising doesn't make you a better gamer.
 
I've had the following mice:

  • Logitech MX1000
  • Logitech MX518
  • Microsoft Sidewinder

And I have the following now:

  • Razer DeathAdder
  • Razer Mamba
  • Logitech G500

For whatever reason, I'm in love with the G500. It's probably the least expensive purchase for a gaming mouse I've made (got it for $30) but it feels wonderful in my hand, the sensor and on-the-fly switching is great, and I have the weights setup perfectly for Battlefield 3.
 
xenorevlis said:
I've had the following mice:

  • Logitech MX1000
  • Logitech MX518
  • Microsoft Sidewinder

And I have the following now:

  • Razer DeathAdder
  • Razer Mamba
  • Logitech G500

For whatever reason, I'm in love with the G500. It's probably the least expensive purchase for a gaming mouse I've made (got it for $30) but it feels wonderful in my hand, the sensor and on-the-fly switching is great, and I have the weights setup perfectly for Battlefield 3.
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I've had a ton of different mice and repeatedly state the G700 is my favorite. The G500/700 is a great series of mice. Logitech's finest ever. And if you want the wireless of the G700, the lag is superior to a 360 controller. So it doesn't even suck like wireless mice of yesterday.
 
I have a Razer Deathadder 3.5G and I'm loving it. Very comfortable to lay your hand on, and the position of the thumb buttons are perfectly placed, unlike the Cyborg R.A.T 3 which is a total trash.

Just a tip, don't use Synapse 2.0 for the Razer mouse. Just get a legacy driver instead.
 
1-D_FTW said:
I've had a ton of different mice and repeatedly state the G700 is my favorite. The G500/700 is a great series of mice. Logitech's finest ever. And if you want the wireless of the G700, the lag is superior to a 360 controller. So it doesn't even suck like wireless mice of yesterday.
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I may have to grab a G700 some day, or at least try it out. I actually got the G500 on sale for my gaming laptop and didn't go for a wireless mouse because I wanted to reduce any potential lag. Still, my Mamba (which is dieing) was pretty nice wireless, though I have it setup as wired at home.
 
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Im currently using this, it was supposed to be a stop gap for when I got enough money to buy a good one but it has served me well and for only £15 was well worth it. I want a new mouse now though, it has to be big like my cyborg, all smaller mice just make me feel like I am torturing my hand.
 
Sethos said:
I'd stay away from Roccat. Bought one of their first releases the Kone which I ended up having to trade in 4 times!! because the mouse wheel broke. The fourth mouse I got their updated version and a week later it started double-clicking on single mouses presses.

Another "gaming" company that will sell you cheap trash at premium prices.
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I smell exaggeration. :P

Good to know though.
DivineRage002 said:
Could someone enlighten me? Why would anyone want to LOWER their DPI setting? Why would you make your mouse less accurate?

Also that Cyborg RAT9 is definitely something that looks interesting, would it be good for fingertip?
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Because lower sens = more accuracy with your hand.

It's the same concept of a zoom function with a rifle/sniper rifle. Being able to move your mouse in a large path over the same screen real estate allows for a higher degree of accuracy.

TMK, the only people that truly use high CPI on a regular basis are RTS folk.
Alextended said:
It changes how it responds, it may be that with a small motion you get HUGE cursor motion in game. Like those Quake pros that barely move their mouse yet do constant 360s. So you could for example have it at a decent DPI when playing normally then switch to high dpi when controlling some turret in a game that's normally responding very slowly to mouselook, then switch back when you're out. It's like an on the fly sensitivity setting. I doubt I'll use it much myself, just leaving it at the default 800 and setting my sensitivity based on that. I suppose high DPI also helps with precision but that's only for pros to tell.
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High CPI in Quake? That's a substantial minority of people. For every pro FPS gamer that uses high CPI, I'll show you 10 that use under 1000.
shira said:
I found that the smallest and lightest mouse is the easiest to use.

All that pro-gaming baloney advertising doesn't make you a better gamer.
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I would have tended to agree with you here. I always went for the smallest, lightest mouse where I could set the CPI below 1000.

A buddy of mine (pro gamer) who I've been playing with for years kept pushing me to get a Xai, then a Sensei. I finally made the switch and he helped me adjust all of the settings on the mouse to fit my use of it, similar to a golfer getting a custom set of clubs. He would watch me stream gameplay and then make CPI X/Y/Z adjustments based on where my cursor was going in game.

I'm not kidding when I say my KDR more than doubled in T:A and Warsow pubs. My effectiveness in our T:A matches went up dramatically. I went from the bottom tier skill on our team to right in the middle.

This ability is why I suggest the Sensei over every mouse. This customization makes it an objectively better mouse than any other one out there.
 
xenorevlis said:
I may have to grab a G700 some day, or at least try it out. I actually got the G500 on sale for my gaming laptop and didn't go for a wireless mouse because I wanted to reduce any potential lag. Still, my Mamba (which is dieing) was pretty nice wireless, though I have it setup as wired at home.
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Go to a bestbuy and give it a try (sizing) I find its a perfect fit for me. One thing about the wireless mode for it is that if you set it to high performance gaming mode (max polling rate), your battery will last about 24 hours. It does use a single rechargeable/replaceable AA so I've been just cycling out eneloop batteries everyday. One other thing about this mouse is that at least imo the wired charge cable is a little stiff for me, kinda have to put in a bit more extra effort to get the mouse to where I want it when gaming


One other weird thing about this mouse is that the G6 and G7 buttons (the top 2 thumb buttons) don't like to play nice when it comes to key binds. Setting them to generic buttons does nothing so you'll have to set them to random keystrokes for games (I use ; and "). Not a huge deal but a frustrating quirk that took a while to figure out.

All in all, I would def buy this mouse again. I've used the Razer Naga (never fit quite right with me, probably because of the elevated back of hte mouse), g9 and g7 and this has been the best one yet
 
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Avoid any mouse with "soft touch" (rubber feeling) coating, especially for the buttons. It's only a sprayed layer of rubberized paint, it will wear off after few month and the mouse will feel and look like sh*t.
 
Man, I just bought a new mouse but the Aurora looks perfect for my grip. I like a narrow mouse and the one I just bought, Roccat Kova +, is a great size and shape but the damn middle mouse button is too stiff. I use middle mouse button for jump so it may be a problem. I'll keep an eye on this.
 
I think its discontinued but if you're looking for a good wireless mouse and manage to see it somewhere I recommend the microsoft sidewinder x8:
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My cat chewed off the charging wire so I initially switched to the Razer™ mamba only to see the sensor crap out itself after only less than a year of use. Then I remembered that the X8 is using a rechargeable battery so I didn't even need the wire just extra batteries at the convenience store.
Very solid, light, on/off takes a second for the mouse to connect wirelessly, big fan of the lateral middle clicks buttons like some of the logitechs one. I think it'll last me a year or two until I switch back to a wired one.
 
koziakauzu said:
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Avoid any mouse with "soft touch" (rubber feeling) coating, especially for the buttons. It's only a sprayed layer of rubberized paint, it will wear off after few month and the mouse will feel and look like sh*t.
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except its been in beta testing for a year and shows no sign of serious wear with test samples, actually read the link. these people know what they're talking about, they are players not some multinational company only out to make cash. no prediction, no angle snapping, top quality components and a it's done when its ready attitude, should be good.
 
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