Chris Dring: Helldivers 2 & TLOU2R are the biggest selling new releases of H1 2024 in the UK

Part II Remaster had a cute roguelike mode but it was a barebones remaster. Unbelievable how that game keeps selling. Remasters are here to stay. Can't complain about that native 4K VRR mode though.

Helldivers 2 was super exciting and fresh at time of release. Lightning in a bottle. No surprise there.
 
I get why people dump on remakes and remasters, but honestly, I've had a blast playing three such games this year with Ghost of Tsushima, TLOU 2 and Persona 3 Reload.

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I didn't play TLOU games until recently. I was happy to pay for the remakes. I haven't bought Ghosts of Tsushima on PC yet, but I probably will at some point. I like to replay my favorite games multiple times over a few years, so getting a better version of those games is cool with me.

If you don't want to pay for a remake of a game you already played, then don't. I don't understand why players hate on publishers for making them. Publishers have to make some "safe" bets to help offset the risks they take with new IP - some of which is bound to fail.
 
Well, TLOU2: R is still easily the best game I've played all year so Im glad it did well.

DrMano said:
buying TLOU2 is a signal to perpetuate bad writing tendencies in the industry, i boycotted it out of principle.
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and you missed out on the greatest game ever made- your loss.
 
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Topher said:
I get why people dump on remakes and remasters, but honestly, I've had a blast playing three such games this year with Ghost of Tsushima, TLOU 2 and Persona 3 Reload.

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But you also love Horizon and Starfield. I remember you saying that Aloy was a top tier protagonist and that Starfield only needed 30fps.
 
DrMano said:
You can watch the story on yt without playing it. The gameplay looked like a fantastic improvement over TLOU admittedly. Then again I was talking about its writing.
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Ok. Personally I didn't have a problem with the story or the writing, but that's a divisive subject. The game play was indeed fantastic.

Speaking of shitty fiction...

FoxMcChief said:
But you also love Horizon and Starfield. I remember you saying that Aloy was a top tier protagonist and that Starfield only needed 30fps.
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Where the Last Of Us 2 haters at ? Come hold your L .


They tried their best to prove that it was a failure because of Wokeness now they sleep lol.
 
Topher said:
I get why people dump on remakes and remasters, but honestly, I've had a blast playing three such games this year with Ghost of Tsushima, TLOU 2 and Persona 3 Reload.

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For better or worse it seems to be what a lot of people want. I don't know if it's because the remasters are that good or because efforts at establishing new franchises are more challenging or nostalgia is that strong. Could be a little of each I guess.
 
ReBurn said:
For better or worse it seems to be what a lot of people want. I don't know if it's because the remasters are that good or because efforts at establishing new franchises are more challenging or nostalgia is that strong. Could be a little of each I guess.
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Easy filler for lean years between games, but yeah....clearly there is demand for it so a bit of both.
 
As always, remember that most if not all of these PS5 remakes and remasters exist because Sony are developing PC versions of those games that can punch above what the PS4 could do. Since they're putting in the work to give those games a glow-up, the PS5 gets updated versions too. Fans are happy, Sony is happy, everyone wins except for the clueless boobs who keep complaining about the existence of remakes and remasters
 
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Skifi28 said:
I'm not even sure what people mean by bad writing anymore.
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Generally it could be a lack of consistency, sloppiness and characters acting out of character with the information/experiences they have. Things happening that moves the plot forward without any setup/build up(example too many coincidences). Also too much telling rather than showing usually also is a sign of not good writing.
 
vivftp said:
As always, remember that most of not all of these PS5 remakes and remasters exist because Sony are developing PC versions of those games that can punch above what the PS4 could do. Since they're putting in the work to give those games a glow-up, the PS5 gets updated versions too. Fans are happy, Sony is happy, everyone wins except for the clueless boobs who keep complaining about the existence of remakes and remasters
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Getting flashbacks of the rage across the forum when the Part I remake was announced. It was a total meltdown. And I was like, this is just the version they want PC gamers to have access in the future instead of the very old looking PS4 remaster.
 
If the upgrade for previous owners of TLOU2 counts as a sale it's not very surprising. Anyone know if those count towards sales?
 
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Ulysses 31 said:
Generally it could be a lack of consistency, sloppiness and characters acting out of character with the information/experiences they have. Things happening that moves the plot forward without any setup/build up(example too many coincidences). Also too much telling rather than showing usually also is a sign of not good writing.
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Pretty much. I think a lot of folks confuse not liking a story with bad writing. The story in TLOU 2 is controversial, but the writing isn't like what you are describing.
 
Topher said:
Pretty much. I think a lot of folks confuse not liking a story with bad writing. The story in TLOU 2 is controversial, but the writing isn't like what you are describing.
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Yup. It's like the episode "Fishes" for The Bear. I think it's a masterpiece, but others can't enjoy it because it makes them anxious, so they can't enjoy it. They won't put the writing down, just say that they don't enjoy it.

That analogy made sense in my head, at least.
 
DrMano said:
You can watch the story on yt without playing it. The gameplay looked like a fantastic improvement over TLOU admittedly. Then again I was talking about its writing.
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To test you, can you write out the entire plot right now in detail. Otherwise, i don't believe you :)
 
skit_data said:
If the upgrade for previous owners of TLOU2 counts as a sale it's not very surprising. Anyone know if those count towards sales?
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Kinda possible. Can't say for sure, but they aren't lovers of context in this regards.
 
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DrMano said:
buying TLOU2 is a signal to perpetuate bad writing tendencies in the industry, i boycotted it out of principle.
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In an industry full of bad writing in games how is TLOU2 a great example of that? Just because a game goes to places you didn't feel like it should've gone doesn't mean it's badly written.

I really can't think of a lot of games with a narrative like this.

Are there any plotholes that failed to connect both games that i'm not thinking about? Was anything retconned for no reason?

Narrative itself isn't broken in any way...not liking something doesn't mean it's bad. I don't like 90% of Prince's discography but i know the man was a genius and great at what he did.
 
MDSLKTR said:
How would they even track that?
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Same way they manage to count all digital sales I presume? I assume they are provided by the publishers but I have no real idea.
Tiago Rodrigues said:
They don't. Chris didn't count the upgrade path sales for the game when it first released in January.
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Well, I could see a few people asking about that but he hasn't responded to them.

Anyway, I'm happy TLOU2 does numbers. I consider it superior to the first game in most aspects. Come at me haters.
 
Tiago Rodrigues said:
In an industry full of bad writing in games how is TLOU2 a great example of that? Just because a game goes to places you didn't feel like it should've gone doesn't mean it's badly written.

I really can't think of a lot of games with a narrative like this.

Are there any plotholes that failed to connect both games that i'm not thinking about? Was anything retconned for no reason?

Narrative itself isn't broken in any way...not liking something doesn't mean it's bad. I don't like 90% of Prince's discography but i know the man was a genius and great at what he did.
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Ulysses 31 said:
Generally it could be a lack of consistency, sloppiness and characters acting out of character with the information/experiences they have. Things happening that moves the plot forward without any setup/build up(example too many coincidences). Also too much telling rather than showing usually also is a sign of not good writing.
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To keep it brief I'll touch on one of many points that irked me about this sanctimonious wannabe game:

They took a no-name delusional npc veterinarian doctor that Joel killed to save his daughter and retroactively shifted the narrative into him being this martyr that was going to save humanity, and turned his non-existent no-name npc family into the narrative anchor of the second game (Namely Abby0.

Till now this would've been a fine plot device, the idea that Joel finally gets killed one of these days by an npc after all the murdering he has done to survive.

The problem now is that by the end of both Ellie's and Abby's plots respectively; They've killed dozens of named NPCs in this dumb 'revenge bad' narrative. All of those killed have supposed families and loved ones and friends etc. Because of the stupid precedent that the writers set that any rando npc can now spawned a family that would now hunt down and kill the main character in a humiliating and frankly unrealistic manner--Ellie and Abby should now be completely condemned and must be hunted down to complete this 'cycle of revenge' that the writers cooked up. Essentially; absolutely NOTHING was gained from both Ellie's or Abby's journey except death and destruction. No catharsis for Ellie, no absolution for Abby. And by extension, no satisfaction for many many people that played this game.

And please don't tell me 'that was the point!'
The point sucked, it was unnecessary and it has been done way better by many pieces of literature/media before.

tmlDan said:
To test you, can you write out the entire plot right now in detail. Otherwise, i don't believe you :)
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*eyeroll*
 
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