It's like how Disney spins a movie as profitable by having Disney+ pay $200 million to Disney studios as a licensing fee.How can they NOT include First Party game cost when factoring in if GamePass is profitable or not?
How can they NOT include First Party game cost when factoring in if GamePass is profitable or not?
I'm honestly having a realization rn: These studios weren't just working for free, they were working for free AND they got the brunt of the losses this strategy incurred on their internal finances!LOL so 1st party just works for free!?
Welp guess that answers my question about how Gamepass is sustainable? Basically you just have to not include first party costs even though every first party game is on the service.
This is such a joke.
Because it harms the industry. How is that not obvious? These are businesses, not charities, and at some point the piper has to be paid. The best thing for the industry is good sales at prices that will allow the companies to be profitable so they will continue to invest in the kinds of games gamers actually like. That is the true definition of "consumer friendly," not whatever gets tossed around here to generally mean someone gets stuff for an unsustainably cheap price.i love how people get so worked up over this. So a company is giving gamers something great at a good value and its our problem? Let microsoft figure that out....
i love how people get so worked up over this. So a company is giving gamers something great at a good value and its our problem? Let microsoft figure that out....
the system needed to change. spending 70 bucks for a game that ends up sucking with no way to return is a stupid business model. Gamepass or deathBecause it harms the industry. How is that not obvious? These are businesses, not charities, and at some point the piper has to be paid. The best thing for the industry is good sales at prices that will allow the companies to be profitable so they will continue to invest in the kinds of games gamers actually like. That is the true definition of "consumer friendly," not whatever gets tossed around here to generally mean someone gets stuff for an unsustainably cheap price.
So now we have an entire platform of people trained to not buy software, as I said would happen years ago when GP was announced. Of course a lot of people mocked and derided that stance, but here we are.
So yes, Microsoft coming in and destroying the games industry with an obviously stupid offering is going to get people worked up when it's their hobby. We have companies and franchises that will cease to exist because of MS. Remember when people thought all of these purchases would mean IP revivals? Yeah, fat chance of that.
Or we could just use the Steam policy of being able to return a game within 2 hours?the system needed to change. spending 70 bucks for a game that ends up sucking with no way to return is a stupid business model. Gamepass or death
You are not forced to pay full pricethe system needed to change. spending 70 bucks for a game that ends up sucking with no way to return is a stupid business model. Gamepass or death
I love how you're worked up over people worked up over Gamepass. Let MS figure it out but canceling alot of projects and going full 3rd party.i love how people get so worked up over this. So a company is giving gamers something great at a good value and its our problem? Let microsoft figure that out....
It's obvious Xbox doesn't know what to do with their best IP. It's a simple formula, make good game, get good sales. From what I understand with Turn 10, they left the support side intact that basically helps with the Horizon side of Forza. Horizon is likely the more popular half but is it smart to basically kill Turn 10 because of one bad game? No. The problem is they wanted to turn the series into a live service and the plan was to just have this non-numerical Forza just be it and they were to keep updating that one game. That's why the team became expendable. They basically decided no more new Forza games from this game's release. Who decided this? Phil? Matt Booty? Idiots.I'm honestly having a realization rn: These studios weren't just working for free, they were working for free AND they got the brunt of the losses this strategy incurred on their internal finances!
Look at Turn 10, they were a reliable sales getter with Forza Motorsport, they then get one flop that got amplified because they didn't even manage to get the day 1 purchases out of it, and now they're essentially shuttered!
Same is gonna happen to Ninja Theory and Compulsion games, just get their games into the GP woodchipper and then fire them later when the chips that come out aren't pure gold.
Insanity.
They dont give any details in there actual financials. Don't think they have stated it is profitable in their financial data because they don't have to because gaming is a miniscule part of their business.So should Netflix not include the cost of making their movies and TV shows next? They should include the entire thing in my opinion. But if someone smarter wanted to use some percentage of game cost, that'll be cool too. But to use 0% of the game cost is INSANE!!! LOL!
How many unique "players" actually bought Indiana Jones vs. played it on GamePass Ultimate? Take that percentage and subtract it from the "game cost". That'll be better than acting like it cost $0 to put games like Avowed, Indiana Jones, and Oblivion: Remaster on GamePass day one.
And yet most in the gaming media let them get away with it and STILL are! Shout out to Chris Dring here for actually doing some real reporting. Geez.....it's like most in the gaming media just want free swag or something.
the system needed to change. spending 70 bucks for a game that ends up sucking with no way to return is a stupid business model. Gamepass or death
So someone at Xbox is providing this information now after all this time? Nothing fishy about this at all. lol
More like people that were formerly within Xbox.I didn't even feel like mentioning it but I thought the exact same thing. Chris Dring just magically got and released this info now? I guess there is a possibility that people within Xbox have had enough and are releasing more info.
That's the other thing I'm noticing.So someone at Xbox is providing this information now after all this time? Nothing fishy about this at all. lol
When I call insurance companies a lot of time the answers I will get depends entirely on which employee answers the phone.So someone at Xbox is providing this information now after all this time? Nothing fishy about this at all. lol
No this is an official comment from Xbox to Chris Dring. He was likely given this by a press relations officer.More like people that were formerly within Xbox.
Might be someone in accounting who got their P45 last week.So someone at Xbox is providing this information now after all this time? Nothing fishy about this at all. lol
Less loyalty to the company where apparently it doesn't matter how well you do...you can still get the axe. I think it makes perfect sense. Fuck em.So someone at Xbox is providing this information now after all this time? Nothing fishy about this at all. lol
Bobby Kotick said it himself, he wouldn't put COD on gamepass because it devalutes the series, which means money lost:So basically what some of us have been saying since 2022: Game Pass isn't profitable.
Never mind they admitted this in court to the FTC when they said it cannibalized game sales.
But, let the denialists and shills find a way to spin this. They always manage to.
lol WTF are you talking about? Everyone was watching Clair after the first reveal. Then it got the highest scores ever. None of that had anything to do with GP and would have happened anyways.While y'all are getting worked up. Clair obscure never would have sold what it did without gamepass word of mouth
Don't believe youWhile y'all are getting worked up. Clair obscure never would have sold what it did without gamepass word of mouth
I didn't even feel like mentioning it but I thought the exact same thing. Chris Dring just magically got and released this info now? I guess there is a possibility that people within Xbox have had enough and are releasing more info.
That's the other thing I'm noticing.
Years of caginess and they just give it out?
Might be someone in accounting who got their P45 last week.
Less loyalty to the company where apparently it doesn't matter how well you do...you can still get the axe. I think it makes perfect sense. Fuck em.
When I call insurance companies a lot of time the answers I will get depends entirely on which employee answers the phone.
I'm not even sure the people running them know the actual answers to some of my questions.
Microsoft is exactly like this I'm assuming.
So you are likely correct but also gamepass probably isn't profitable. Both things can be true. Dring didn't lie but also even if the people at MS think they know something, they probably don't really know it. That's the neat part. No one does.
You seem confused. That was his first statement. Then he said he went back for clarification and they told him none of the first party cost are included.The Dring guy seems confused here. Fictional lost revenue(expected sales if a title would not be on gamepass) is not the same as not including the costs of of making first party titles.
You the only one getting worked up here cuz the bootlicking don't taste good anymore since microsoft getting exposed.While y'all are getting worked up. Clair obscure never would have sold what it did without gamepass word of mouth
The Dring guy seems confused here. Fictional lost revenue(expected sales if a title would not be on gamepass) is not the same as not including the costs of of making first party titles.
When he says "Xbox told me" he is definitively referring to comment he received from a MS press officer in his capacity as a journalist.Could be pissed off employees who are sick of seeing their coworkers laid off and all the other bullshit. Could also be this is strategically released as part of larger changes to come. If word gets out that MS is losing money on Game Pass then I can see Xbox leadership seeing this as lessoning the blow of jacking up prices, removing day one games, etc. Guessing, but sounds like the kind of shit MS would do.
When he says "Xbox told me" he is definitively referring to comment he received from a MS press officer in his capacity as a journalist.
While y'all are getting worked up. Clair obscure never would have sold what it did without gamepass word of mouth
"if we don't include our costs, we make a ton of money"
this feels fraudulent
This isn't even creative accounting, it's borderline-fraudulent accounting.. Just fucking throwing out basic costs from the calculations wtf? Should the Azure team start excluding cost of electricity next?
Just fucking lmao at the ineptitude of the Xbox team, how the fuck do you exclude first party sales cannibalization from this calculation then decide "well actually we need more first party asap"?
yeah their dream was "a race to the bottom" with sony and nintendo with this unsustainable shit, where they can outspend them
unfortunately they tried to pull that shit in an industry, where they have smallest mind and market share.
plus gamepass was never going to be the disruptor they dreamed of, because game subscription doesnt make sense outside the tiny bubble of "ultra hardcore"
Not like the person leaking the info will have a job soon anyway. The writing is on the wall for Xbox.Which means this information is being sent out intentionally
or a rogue employeeWhich means this information is being sent out intentionally