Garrett Hawke
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what exactly does she cost the Democratic Party by running in a state that very much liked her?
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Chris Matthews (MSNBC) suggests Clinton might run for Gov. of NY in 2018
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PistolGrip
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She should run for Mayor of NYC! Get De Blasio out of here.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
She should. She'd be a great governor.
Good Job Bob
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The potential development of a young politician with a political future? Dems desperately need to start building a bench.
Oh man seeing her as the mayor of New York while Trump is president would be an incredible sight.
When is Chris Matthews going to finally fade in obscurity where he belongs.
Maybe Chris was talking about a different younger Clinton
Maybe Chris was talking about a different younger Clinton
Omegasquash
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That's my problem...the image of her being a self-serving political powerhouse is something that's been created by the smear campaign that's been taking place over the last 4 years.
I freely admit that her at the helm will not bring the votes we need over to the left, however to simply write her off as "Crooked Hillary" is a disservice. She's a famous politician, from a famous, if semi-short lived, political dynasty, but that doesn't make her a villain.
De Blasio could very well be in trouble. Lot of public narrative around incompetence.
A governor of New York that can run for President in 2024/2028/2032.
Melkezadek
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Oh I agree. I think it would be a testament to her character if she still continues in politics. I can't imagine what she's been through.
Yes please
Garrett Hawke
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If that's an option then they would discuss it, obviously?
She doesn't actually have a magical stranglehold over reality as evidenced by the fact that she didn't win the EC.
Lights and Waves
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Honestly...that would be so iconic.
Did you forget that she won the popular vote by 3 million votes.... People definitely wanted her more than trump.
NY governorship is an end point, not a beginning.
Cindi Mayweather
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She won the popular vote because she wasn't Donald Trump.
And she lost, so there will be attention called into question about her leadership skills and they'll be deserved. Why? Because she lost to Donald Trump!
GoldenEye 007
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Young talent doesn't really start at the Governor's office of the State of NY. What has Cuomo done to facilitate young talent for the Dems?
Garrett Hawke
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People keep saying "she lost to Donald Trump!" as if this was some kind of impossibility.
Stop underestimating Donald trump.
And she won the state of NY. They clearly like her. If the state party wants her to run, it's not an issue.
political hot takes are always fun. people revert to their immediate opinion on someone or something, regardless of context.
because "young talent" doesn't become governor of new york state.
because "young talent" doesn't become governor of new york state.
Darryl M R
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How is her ability to lead being questioned by her losing an election while getting more votes?
Also she won NY.
This is kind of a hilarious argument. She lost to Donald Trump, despite getting more votes, because she relatively under-performed in some states (The Midwest), while wildly over performing (in... New York).
Basically my stance as well. I can't see her running against the incumbent Democrat
Netherscourge
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NY is a blue state, so she should win.
It's looking more like the USA will be divided pretty heavily along state lines now, as opposed to one united country with common, blanket federal laws across the land.
States like California, NJ, NY, etc... will attract the progressive/liberals and states like Texas and North Carolina will attract the Alt-Right conservatives.
Instead of a national healthcare plan, you'll have to settle for state healthcare plans. So, get ready to pick up and move, depending on your political leanings and economic needs.
It's looking more like the USA will be divided pretty heavily along state lines now, as opposed to one united country with common, blanket federal laws across the land.
States like California, NJ, NY, etc... will attract the progressive/liberals and states like Texas and North Carolina will attract the Alt-Right conservatives.
Instead of a national healthcare plan, you'll have to settle for state healthcare plans. So, get ready to pick up and move, depending on your political leanings and economic needs.
Lights and Waves
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Alright, your posts in this thread are just so uninformed and painfully biased. Please use a bit of logic before posting. Do your research. She won by 3 million MORE votes because people wanted her.
And stop underestimating Trump and the power he has over low-information voters.
Willing to bet the same people saying this also don't vote in the midterm elections.
Cindi Mayweather
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Getting more votes and still losing definitely calls into question her ability to lead and campaign.
If I were a NYer I certainly wouldn't vote for her as governor and I voted for her as president. These are two completely different races. Given Clinton's penchant for losing blue state strongholds, I'd probably wager she'd lose NY at this point.
legacyzero
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Yep. Peace out.
That she lost the election in the rust belt should be all you need to know
Cindi Mayweather
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I'm not underestimating Trump at all. But he was still the most unliked presidential candidate of all time. Your post is a complete contradiction. "She won the pop. vote by 3 million!'- don't underestimate Trump!"
LOL.
DrForester
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Because after loosing the 2008 primary apparently the only thing she learned was how to fuck up the exact same way in a General Election. Take too much for granted and assume things are owed to her.
Veritigo_X
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She'd probably win, but I doubt she's going to.
As much of a testament as it to Trump's character for getting "into politics"
Garrett Hawke
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What exactly did she take for granted, the inaccurate poll data that her campaign was being fed?
Shes not going to pull a Bernie and primary him.
She's going to enter if the state party wants to dump Cuomo and needs someone with immediate name value and recognition because they weren't expecting to have to replace him.
Clinton won NY, is popular in NY, and would easily win the race in NY. This is a local election, not a national one.if you are upset about this, your priorities are all sorts of screwed up.
She's going to enter if the state party wants to dump Cuomo and needs someone with immediate name value and recognition because they weren't expecting to have to replace him.
Clinton won NY, is popular in NY, and would easily win the race in NY. This is a local election, not a national one.if you are upset about this, your priorities are all sorts of screwed up.
If I'm back in NY State for that election I'd def vote Clinton over Cuomo. That being said, and as already mentioned, the only way this happens is if Cuomo doesn't just run for a third term himself since I doubt Clinton would primary him of her own accord. I doubt this happens.
Also its funny that 99% (I saw one exception though) of the people shitting on Clinton in here have aren't New Yorkers. Say what you will about her ability to campaign but she can govern well.
Also its funny that 99% (I saw one exception though) of the people shitting on Clinton in here have aren't New Yorkers. Say what you will about her ability to campaign but she can govern well.
Cindi Mayweather
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She lost to Bernie in Michigan and thought it was a good idea to ignore that state until it was too late.
At this point, I'd guess if she went for governor she'd stay in NYC and not leave the city while trying to run for governor of a state. "We've got an unprecedented number of feet on the ground this governor race!"
That's how bad she campaigns. And she loves her people. So she would definitely bring her smart asses from Brooklyn along her governor bid, and they'd probably lose that too!
crooked spin
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Eh, I'd vote for her if only to see my rural western NY family lose their minds over the She-Devil being their guv.
I guess those other times she won state elections in New York were just a figment of our imagination.She lost to Bernie in Michigan and thought it was a good idea to ignore that state until it was too late.
At this point, I'd guess if she went for governor she'd stay in NYC and not leave the city while trying to run for governor of a state.
That's how bad she campaigns. And she loves her people. So she would definitely bring her smart asses from Brooklyn along her governor bid, and they'd probably lose that too!
fallengorn
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Clinton over Cuomo. Wouldn't mind that at all.
Pretty much. Cuomo isn't going anywhere barring any unforeseen circumstances.
Pretty much. Cuomo isn't going anywhere barring any unforeseen circumstances.
Veritigo_X
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Wonder how many people talking about how shitty she is and should leave the planet actually live in NY...
You're aware she ran for, and won, two races as senator of New York that involved a lot of successful campaigning outside of the city?
Melkezadek
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Oh right, her 30 years in service to the people mean nothing.
This irrational hate for her is ridiculous.
Eh, this seems like it would be an odd play to me. I feel like most people will still be licking the wounds of the 2016 election by that time, and hell, it's likely some new ones will be opened by the Trump administration by then. It's just so soon that I feel like her momentum could easily be toppled by statements like "You couldn't even manage to win what was considered the most winnable presidential election in history". I think I could see it being the play in 2022 though.
AntraxSuicide
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She won NY by a larger margin than most democrats. She's insanely popular there.
You're honestly not representing yourself well at all. It's embarrassing.
Garrett Hawke
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One of my favourite shitposts is "a politician should work for the people, which is why she lost"
Wtf did trump do for the American people except literally scam them lmao
BoosterDuck
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I think Hillary would be a good governor, but at some point you just have to move on. Unless there is really no other qualified candidate, let someone else take it. We need new blood in those governors' mansions to build the party bench for the future. And while I don't think Hillary has done anything seriously wrong and that she was a good force in American politics, the meme about her as some sort of political vampire who cost the left everything has set in, and it's best not to lean into it. The fight over Hillary Clinton may have come to the wrong conclusion, but that doesn't mean it's worth the fight to readjudicate it. Just let it go.
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