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"Christian villagers cast doubt on Syria jihadist ‘threat’"

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24148322

The rebel attack earlier this month on the Syrian village of Maaloula heightened worries that the conflict there is becoming increasingly sectarian, with some members of the historic Christian community there fleeing and saying churches had been desecrated. However, some of the residents the BBC has spoken to have challenged this narrative.

The violence in the village earlier this month centred around a pro-government checkpoint set up at the southern entrance of the village by the military, with some members from the National Defence Force, a newly-formed militia of community members, mainly Alawites and Christians.

Rebel fighters say they had had control over the northern side of Maaloula, on top of the Qalamoun mountain, for the last eight months.

There had been some rounds of fighting around the village in the last few months, but the world's attention was only drawn to Maaloula on 5 September, when a fighter affiliated to the jihadist al-Nusra Front drove up to the check point and blew himself up, killing several soldiers and pro-government militiamen.

A number of armed men then entered the St Takla monastery in the north of the village and asked the nuns there whether there were any government soldiers hiding there.

A picture shows Mar Takla Greek Orthodox monastery in the Syrian Christian town of Maaloula
The BBC reached one of the nuns who has remained in the village's St Takla monastery
"There were around 20 of them. They looked like Islamists, but they did us no harm," one of the nuns told the BBC a few days after the incident.

"They told us they were after Bashar al-Assad and his army, not Christians," the nun explained.


Then the armed men returned to the monastery, which is home to nine nuns and 35 others, children and elderly people cared for by the nuns. They all stayed in Maaloula, even during the intense fighting.

On their second visit, the nun explains, the men asked the nuns to make a video statement to the effect that they hadn't been harmed or attacked by the rebels, which was then posted on YouTube.

The rebels then left their arms outside the monastery and climbed up to film the village from above in an attempt to prove that they left without causing damage or attacking the churches, according to the nun the BBC spoke to.

Doubts over timing
Syrians take part in a funeral march in Damascus for the three Christian Syrians killed in Maaloula
The funeral for three Christians killed in Maaloula took place in Damascus
The attack resulted in the death of three residents of the village and most of Maaloula's residents have now fled the violence to Damascus.

Later on, there were increasing exchanges of fire between the two sides.

Residents of Maaloula called on the army to come and protect them but as one resident said: "The army betrayed us and sold us to the media."

The army arrived in Maaloula on Saturday 7 September and only stayed for a few hours, pulling out and allowing the rebels to enter again, the resident - who wished to remain unnamed - told the BBC.

Questions have been raised of the timing of the attack as it happened only two days before a prayer for peace was due to take place in Maaloula in response to a call by Pope Francis for a day of fasting and prayer worldwide in aid of peace in Syria.

It also coincided with what looked like the run-up to an imminent US strike against Syria.

Amer al-Qalamouni, the spokesman for Ahrar al-Sham and Qalamoun Liberation front, a group of non-Islamist fighters affiliated with the Free Syrian Army, says the timing of the attack only benefited the regime's narrative.

"The situation was going on for months, but suddenly the al-Nusra Front decided to attack the checkpoint," Mr Qalamouni told the BBC.


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I told the rebels: 'If you go on to every village and there are battles and lives lost, then you are not going to get rid of Bashar al-Assad. You need to sit and talk to find a solution.'”

Nun in Maaloula's St Takla monastery
"Members of Ahrar al-Sham and Qalamoun Liberation Front then participated in the clashes. The aim was never an attack against Christians but to deal with the checkpoint itself," he goes on.

Mr Qalamouni said that he thought the Islamists of the al-Nusra Front had used the opportunity send a message to the West that they had no need of Western intervention.

History of coexistence
The fighting in Maaloula is the first such attack on a notable Christian community since the start of the uprising.

Residents of many Christian villages around Homs and Hama have been fleeing the violence along with members of other communities, but had not up until now been attacked themselves.

Like many villages and cities across Syria, Maaloula has been home to different religious communities who have lived in coexistence for decades.

Famously, it is one of three villages in Syria where Aramaic, the language of Jesus Christ, is still spoken.

St Takla's monastery has always been a home for orphans from both Christian and Muslim communities.

Thousands of Syrians, most of them Christians, celebrate the Christian Day of the Cross in 2006
In calmer times Maaloula would celebrate the Day of Cross in September
Every September, Syrians of all religions have participated in the Day of the Cross festival in Maaloula. Muslims would attend prayers in the church and women with headscarves would light candles there.

After the long day of celebration and a parade through the village, the evening's festivities would begin with a climb up the mountain.

Later fires would be lit and songs sung to guitar music until sunrise.

But today Maaloula has been subjected to the flame of war that has burnt so many parts of Syria.

The nun that the BBC reached in St Takla's monastery said she believed Syria's Christians were not the target of the violence but that they were becoming caught in the crossfire.

She says she had urged the rebels who came to the monastery to negotiate with the regime.

"I told them: 'If you go on to every village and there are battles and lives lost, then you are not going to get rid of Bashar al-Assad. You need to sit and talk to find a solution.'"

Though still clearly also a PR job, in the first paragraph of the article, attempting to repair this growing assumption that has tarnished the reputation of the islamist battalions. interesting perspective nonetheless.
 

SoulPlaya

more money than God
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24148322



Though still clearly also a PR job, in the first paragraph of the article, attempting to repair this growing assumption that has tarnished the reputation of the islamist battalions. interesting perspective nonetheless.
What's interesting about it? Is this article trying to somehow suggest that Christians aren't being targeted?

EDIT: Is this really being MAINLY based around one nun's experience with a small group of rebels? Seriously?
 

liger05

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Jabhut Al Nusra leader Jawlani orders in Malula:

1)Dont break any crosses
2)Dont violate their holy places
3)Dont harm any Christians except fighters
4)Dont cause harm 2 any church-members (priests, nuns, etc)
5)Dont violate Christians property
 
I imagine some of the more moderate Anti-Assad groups, knowing they will need international legitimacy and the need to reassure Syrians in the event of the overthrow of the regime, have been very careful of how they conduct themselves, especially in such a culturally and historically significant Christian site.

A documentary made several years ago about the village and its status as one of the last places Aramaic is spoken:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy38UQ9EQ6o
 

SoulPlaya

more money than God
Haven't we always known that some of the Anti-Assad groups aren't Islamist extremists, but that a good chunk of them are?
 

Fularu

Banned
oh yeah its totally safe for Christians in Syria.. just ask François Murad

or my uncle's wife'S brother. Stabbed, chained to a car and drove around the village then decapitated by "rebels" as an example for beeing an "infidel" (Christian).
 
I'm not saying that secterians killings aren't happening. Several posts in this thread disproves that. I'm just posting this because I thought it was an interesting development in the conflict.

No need to be all passive-agressive about it.
 
They're just being smart.

They don't want bad press putting off the people that give them foreign aid.

Doesn't mean they wouldn't kill/exile the non-muslims and alawites and turn the country into a backward shithole if they won
 
No doubt some rebels aren't extremist nutjobs, so I applaud them for trying to behave better than the extremist muslim rebels.

Still rooting for them to lose though, as the rebels would install a theocratic government should they ever win.

Shame.
 

akira28

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That's the hitch. Will the Muslims who don't care about harming Christians be blocked or stopped by the ones who would be against harming or interfering with Christians?

Lots of people doubt it, since the previous policy has only been "tolerance" and not cooperation.
 

damisa

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My Christian relatives have had their homes looted by the "rebels" as well as threatened with violence. This is just empty PR
 

DrSlek

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There are many, many factions within both sides of the war.

It's common sense to think that some of them would be rational and some would be total nutcases.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs0v644ouVE

Another video of an FSA protected Synagouge. Yup seems like the PR machine is on full roll, but what's so bad about that if this is the results.


id like to see what happens when the cameras go off... its all bullshit


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/19/al-qaeda-linked-rebel-snipers-haunt-christian-town/
A woman named Rasha told AFP that rebel fighters had slain her fiance, Atef, after he refused to convert to Islam.
“I rang [Atef’s] mobile phone and one of them answered,” she said.
“Good morning, Rash rush,” the voice said, using her nickname. “We are from the Free Syrian Army. Do you know your fiance was a member of the shabiha (pro-regime militia) who was carrying weapons, and we have slit his throat.”
The man told Rasha her fiance had been given the choice to convert to Islam or die.
“Jesus didn’t come to save him,” he taunted.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/08/maaloula-captured-christian-village-damascus_n_3890142.html
One resident said the rebels – many of them wearing beards and shouting, "God is great!" – attacked Christian homes and churches shortly after seizing the village.

"They shot and killed people. I heard gunshots and then I saw three bodies lying in the middle of a street in the old quarters of the village," the resident said by telephone. "So many people fled the village for safety."

Now, he said, Maaloula "is a ghost town."

"Where is President Obama to see what befallen on us?" asked the man, who fled the village on Sunday. He declined to give his name out of fear for his safety.

Another resident who escaped earlier in the day said Assad's forces were deployed on the outskirts of the village, while gunmen inside refused to allow anybody in. He said that one of the churches, called Demyanos, had been torched and that gunmen stormed into two other churches and robbed them.

A third resident reached by phone said he saw militants forcing some Christian residents to convert to Islam.

"I saw the militants grabbing five villagers Wednesday and threatening them: `Either you convert to Islam or you will be beheaded,'" he said
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The two other residents said they heard rumors about such conversions but did not see them. The reports could not be independently verified. All three residents spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear of retaliation.


http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-church-2-abducted-priests-still-missing-093521476.html
BEIRUT (AP) — The whereabouts of two bishops kidnapped in northern Syria remain unknown, Syrian church officials said Wednesday, a day after telling reporters that they had been released.


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/01/francois-murad-catholic-priest-beheaded-jihadist-fighters-syria-_n_3527372.html
Francois Murad, Catholic Priest 'Beheaded By Jihadist Fighters In Syria'
 
That could also be very true. As I've said before I'm not denying things like that happen, complete loonies the lot, trying to convert people with a gun to their face, how islamic...
 

Fularu

Banned
That could also be very true. As I've said before I'm not denying things like that happen, complete loonies the lot, trying to convert people with a gun to their face, how islamic...

Everything I heard about what was going on in Maaloula before the SAA took it back goes completely against what you posted in your original post.

I understand the "need" to make the "rebels" seems not as "bad" as they truly are, but it'S a lost cause.

As the Syrian president said the other day "How can it be a "civil war" when you have 84 different nationalities backed by foreign interests among the "rebels"?"
 

liger05

Member
As the Syrian president said the other day "How can it be a "civil war" when you have 84 different nationalities backed by foreign interests among the "rebels"?"

The beauty of Islam. When the Muslim is oppressed its a duty to fight the oppressor. Artificial Borders are irrelevant.

It is narrated by Abu Da'wud that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said

He is not one of us who calls for Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for Asabiyyah or who dies for Asabiyyah."
 
didn't they behead a kid or couple of kids recently for being Christian? something with a bus or another church or something.

they have no legitimacy as I see it.
 

Fularu

Banned
The beauty of Islam. When the Muslim is oppressed its a duty to fight the oppressor. Artificial Borders are irrelevant.

It is narrated by Abu Da'wud that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said

He is not one of us who calls for Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for Asabiyyah or who dies for Asabiyyah."

Spoken like a true jihadist... except you never had the balls to go there.

Your filth is tearing my country appart, I hope every single one of them finds "peace" there.
 
The beauty of Islam. When the Muslim is oppressed its a duty to fight the oppressor. Artificial Borders are irrelevant.

It is narrated by Abu Da'wud that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said

He is not one of us who calls for Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for Asabiyyah or who dies for Asabiyyah."

Wow, didn't realize you were this extreme from your previous posts.
 

Gattsu25

Banned
The beauty of Islam. When the Muslim is oppressed its a duty to fight the oppressor. Artificial Borders are irrelevant.

It is narrated by Abu Da'wud that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said

He is not one of us who calls for Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for Asabiyyah or who dies for Asabiyyah."

Can you at least agree that anyone that knowingly ends another's life is a fucking asshole?

Because, as a general rule of thumb, people who knowingly kill are all fucking assholes.
 

ymmv

Banned
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24148322

Though still clearly also a PR job, in the first paragraph of the article, attempting to repair this growing assumption that has tarnished the reputation of the islamist battalions. interesting perspective nonetheless.

It's worrying that this article lands on the BBC web site. You'd assume reporters in the middle east would be savvy to PR jobs by rebel groups. The numerous murderous attacks on Syrian christians make clear what their real intentions are.
 

Fularu

Banned
Most of them, 95% to be exact, are. 1 in 10 rebels are foreigners doing sunni jihad. That's why they did a suicide bombing at the check point.

Yeah... no. Most of them are foreigners, even within the so called "FSA". Most of ISIS and Al'Nusrah are foreign jihadists backed by Qatari/Saudi money.

Otherwise among the syrian "rebels" a good portion of them and little more than criminals taking advantage of the situation to carve themselves a new "space" of influence, Afghanistan style.

For some weird reason that totally escapes me, every single time somethinghappens in Syria, it's the government's fault.

An Alawi or a Christian village gets slaughtered? That information disapears and it becomes a "The government massacres yet another village", even though most of the villagers are executed in prety obvious "radical islamist" ways. It just baffles the mind
 
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