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sphinx

the piano man
My favourite classical music piece: Debussy - Clair de Lune This is an absolute joy to play. It's very peaceful and yet very alive. This is the most fun I've had with classical music on the piano.

If you like Debussy,you should definitely hear this guy named François-Joël Thiollier, he is AMAZING and I discovered him just barely a month ago.

L'isle joyeuse, him on the piano as an example. Listen to the octave near the end :D such a joy.

EDIT: Here Clair de Lune with this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJCLiam3Am4
 

sphinx

the piano man
cool, he has a bunch of albums on spotify too, i'll check it out

definitely, I highly recommend him. he is a true french pianist, he understands the flow of the music of his country and he has an enourmous palette of colors in his touch, french. :)
 

Llyranor

Member
I'm growing quite fond of Handel's Concerti Grossi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIXvFyQWtpM (this dropped my jaw - I'm tracking down a copy off Amazon of this interpretation of Opus3 as I'm typing this)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kU_foHZ7I0#t=1m36 (I quite like the intensity of this movement - 1:36 till about 4:10)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TRefMmzCnM#t=2m49 (this part of the musette movement until 4:00 is my favorite moment in his Opus 6 - though unfortunately I can't find a historically informed performance recording on youtube, so this will have to do).
 

Llyranor

Member
I know GAF likes to hate on Biber, but I quite like his compositions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z2l9eO9O6k (that violin tone is amazing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGLr8NjUD-s (one of my favorite pieces for solo violin)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9wKFH6qJ10 (the repeating bass might remind some of Pachebel's Canon, heh)

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Ooo, I was also introducted to Bach's Concerto for 3 Violins today (reconstruction from the Concerto for 3 Harpsichords - BWV 1064).

Quite pleasing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrkPkE_ukQ4

(I guess I'm the only one checking this thread nowadays, heh)
 

Aggelos

Member
also
Sviridov's winter road

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JL4JXEv-RY (hear the videogame connection?)


This one flows better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAFLUC1stD4

Metal Gear Solid FTW!!!!

Sviridov / Sergei Kursanov : Troika
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pobvjtJw1KE
Sviridov / Sergei Kursanov : Winter Way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N28sddjaVQk
(the transcriber is Sergei Kursanov)



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Chopin "Funeral March" - Sir Henry Wood's orchestration - YouTube



Bach-Walton "Ah! How ephemeral" from 'The Wise Virgins' Suite - YouTube
The complete 'Wise Virgins' Suite is already uploaded on You Tube, so here is just my favourite movement from it ... the exciting "Ah! How ephemeral" from Bach's Cantata No. 26 arr. by Walton. It's one of several Cantata movements used in Frederick Ashton's 1940 ballet featuring Margot Fonteyn. (From a Naxos CD.)


Bach orch. Cailliet "Little" Fugue - Fiedler conducts - YouTube
Bach's "Little" Fugue in G minor was orchestrated by Lucien Cailliet (1891-1985), a woodwind player and 'house arranger' for the Philadelphia Orchestra as well as being a conductor and composer in his own right. He made a great many arrangements, including one of Mussorgsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition" commissioned in 1937 by Eugene Ormandy. The Bach transcription heard here is brilliantly played by the Boston Pops under Arthur Fielder and comes from an RCA CD of other Bach works.




Bach-Stokowski: Chorale from the 'Easter Cantata' - Jose Serebrier conducts - YouTube
Stokowski's many Bach Transcriptions include this stirring orchestral version of the Chorale "Jesus Christus, Gottes Sohn" from the 'Easter Cantata.' It is played here by the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra, conductor Jose Serebrier, on a Naxos release



Debussy "La Cathedrale Engloutie" ('The Engulfed Cathedral') - Sir Henry Wood's orchestration - YouTube
Sir Henry Wood's transcription of Debussy's famous piano prelude dates from 1919 when he first introduced it at one of the Proms Concerts which still bear his name today. His scoring requires a large orchestra that includes a gong, tubular and mushroom bells, two harps and organ. Wood made his version as a memorial tribute to Debussy who had died the previous year. (From a 'Lyrita' CD on which Nicholas Braithwaite conducts the London Philharmonic.)




Brahms "A Rose Breaks Into Bloom" - Ormandy conducts - YouTube
Brahms's song "Es ist ein' Ros' entsprungen" was arranged for string orchestra by Reginald Jacques and recorded by the Philadelphia Orchestra under Eugene Ormandy on a 1972 LP.




Mussorgsky-Stokowski "Great Gate of Kiev" - Kunzel conducts - YouTube
Leopold Stokowski was conductor of the Cincinnati Orchestra from 1909-1912. Erich Kunzel paid tribute by recording a number of Stokowski's transcriptions in the 1990s and his selection concluded with 'The Great Gate of Kiev,' the final number in Mussorgsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition." Stokowski's score provided an 'ad lib' optional organ part right at the end, so Kunzel added it in, though it's only just audible over the Cininnati Orchestra at full bast!




Chopin "Fantasie-Impromptu" - Carmen Dragon conducts - YouTube
Chopin's "Fantasie-Impromptu" in C# minor is here brilliantly realised by conductor / arranger Carmen Dragon and the Hollywood Bowl Symphony on a 1950s Capitol recording.



Bach-Stokowski "Come, Sweet Death" ('Komm, susser Tod') - Orchestral version - YouTube
J. S. Bach's "Komm, susser Tod" is taken from Schemelli's Musical Song-Book of 1736. Stokowski's transcription has the melody played twice, first on the strings and then by the full orchestra. He made this recording in 1958 with his own specially selected symphony orchestra of New York musicians.



Byrd "Pavane and Gigue" - Stokowski orchestration - YouTube
William Byrd's 'Pavane' (subtitled 'The Earl of Salisbury' from "Parthenia") and 'A Gigue' (from 'The Fitzwilliam Virginal Book') are two baroque clavichord pieces. Leopold Stokowski combined them into a gorgeously coloured orchestral arrangement which is played here by the BBC Philharmonic under Matthias Bamert on a beautifully recorded Chandos CD.




Haydn "Andante Cantabile" - Stokowski conducts - YouTube
This little piece is also known as Haydn's "Serenade" and comes from one of his string quartets. Stokowski arranged it for strings, clarinet, flute and oboe and originally played it under the title "18th Century Dance." This recording was made in 1975 when he was 92 years old. The National Philharmonic was a 'recording orchestra' of top London players and this track comes from a PRT CD.




Beethoven "Moonlight Sonata" - 'Adagio' - Pennario & Dragon - YouTube
The most famous of Beethoven's solo piano sonata movements is here given mini-concerto treatment with the addition of an orchestral accompaniment. Leonard Pennario is the soloist, with the Hollywood Bowl Symphony Orchestra conducted by Carmen Dragon, in a late 1950s 'Capitol Full Dimensional Stereo Sound' recording.
 

Aggelos

Member
Let's talk, more orchestral transcriptions!!!!




Bach / René Leibowitz, 1960: Passacaglia and Fugue, BWV 582 - Arranged for Two Orchestras - YouTube
René Leibowitz (1913-1972) leads the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra in a performance (dating to 1960 I believe) of JS Bach's Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor, BWV 582, as arranged for two orchestras by Leibowitz.



Rachmaninoff / Leonidas Leonardi : Chanson Georgienne Op. 4 No 4
Rachmaninov "Chanson Georgienne" - Netania Davrath, soprano - YouTube

Leonidas Leonardi FTW!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOLpBXmPYks




Paganini "Moto Perpetuo" (arr. Stock) - Martinon conducts - YouTube
Paganini's "Moto Perpetuo" for Violin was orchestrated by Frederick Stock, conductor of the Chicago Symphony from 1905 to 1942. They play it here under Jean Martinon, their music director from 1963 to 1968, in a recording made in 1966. Note Stock's clever quotations from Beethoven's "Eroica" Symphony in this brilliant arrangement.




Revueltas "Sensemaya" (First Recording) - Stokowski conducts - YouTube
Silvestre Revueltas (1899-1940) was a Mexican composer whose most famous piece is "Sensemaya", a tone-pone depicting the ritual killing of a tropical snake. This vivid miniature tone-poem received its first recording in 1947 with Leopold Stokowski conducting his Symphony Orchestra. (An RCA 78rpm disc).






Mussorgsky "Pictures at an Exhibition" - Mikhail Tushmalov's orchestration (1891) - YouTube
This was the first orchestration of "Pictures at an Exhibition" and was made by Mikhail Tushmalov, a pupil of Rimsky-Korsakov. It was not absolutely complete, since it omitted all but the first of the 'Promenades' as well as several of the 'Pictures'. The ones that remain are 'The Old Castle', 'Ballet of the Chicks', 'Samuel Goldenberg and Schmuyle', 'Market Place in Limoges', 'The Catacombs', 'Baba Yaga' and 'The Great Gate of Kiev'.This version was given its first performance in 1891 with Rimsky-Korsakov conducting. Its only recording to date has been by the Munich Philharmonic under Marc Andrae on the BASF label.




Rachmaninov "Vocalise" - Norman Luboff Choir; Stokowski conducting - YouTube
In this haunting version of Rachmaninov's "Vocalise," the wordless female chorus of the Norman Luboff Choir is accompanied by the New Symphony Orchestra of London under Leopold Stokowski. The orchestral accompaniment was arranged by Walter Stott (he was called Wally Stott in the 1950s 'Goon Show' days on the radio) but after a visit to Scandinavia for a delicate operation in the 1970s he became Angela Morley. (From an RCA / BMG recording made in 1960).



Bach "Wir glauben all' an einen Gott" - Stokowski's wind band arrangement - YouTube
Stokowski made several Bach arrangements for wind band, including the Chorale-Prelude "Wir glauben all' an einen Gott." It is played here by the United States Marine Band and comes from a concert given in Cincinnati in 1998, Timothy W. Foley conducting.



Liszt: Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 (arr. Sidney Torch) - Barry Wordsworth conducts - YouTube
This well-known piano piece here receives what is probably its most over-the-top orchestral arrangement. Sidney Torch (1908-1990) was a British pianist, conductor, arranger and composer of light music. He was particularly associated with the BBC Concert Orchestra and it is they who play this dazzling version of Liszt's famous Rhapsody under Barry Wordsworth's baton. (From a Carlton Classics CD made in 1995.)





Bach: Toccata and Fugue in D minor - Camarata's orchestration - YouTube
This version of Bach's famous Toccata and Fugue in D minor starts off with the organ, played by Leslie Pearson, but when the orchestra comes in the arrangement owes quite a lot to Stokowski's transcription. It was made and conducted by Tutti Camarata (1913-2005) who began his musical career as a jazz trumpeter in New York. After World War II he became a composer and record producer. During the 1960s and '70s he arranged and conducted a number of Decca/London popular classical LPs in 'Phase 4 Stereo' with the Kingsway Symphony Orchestra, so called because it was an 'ad hoc' band of top London musicians which recorded in the famous Kingsway Hall.






Liszt (arr. Gamley): Etude de Concert No. 3 - Abbey Simon, piano - YouTube
In this version of Liszt's Concert Study in D flat, Douglas Gamley supplied an orchestral accompaniment to the piano original. The solo part is played by Abbey Simon, with Gamley himself conducting the Sinfonia of London on a 1958 stereo Columbia LP entitled "Philharmonic Pops."





Handel (arr. Stokowski) "Pastoral Symphony" ('Messiah') - Serebrier conducts - YouTube
Leopold Stokowski eloquently arranged the "Pastoral Symphony" (or "Shepherds Christmas Music") from Handel's 'Messiah' for woodwinds and strings. It is beautifully played by the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra, conductor Jose Serebrier, on a Naxos CD devoted to Stokowski Transcriptions.




Bach: Toccata and Fugue in D minor (orch. Sir Henry Wood) - Slatkin conducts - YouTube
Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor was performed at the First Night of the 2004 Proms in two parts: the Toccata was played on the Albert Hall organ by Martin Neary, while the Fugue was given in Sir Henry Wood's orchestration. The BBC Symphony was conducted by its then Chief Conductor, Leonard Slatkin.



Chopin "Funeral March" - Sir Henry Wood's orchestration - YouTube
The "Funeral March" ('Marche Funebre') from Chopin's Piano Sonata No. 2 has been orchestrated by several musicians, including Elgar and Stokowski. Sir Henry Wood introduced his own version during the 1895 Proms. It was last heard at the Proms in 1943 under Basil Cameron's direction. (Taken from a 'Lyrita' CD on which Nicholas Braithwaite conducts the London Philharmonic)




Bach orch. Holst: "Fugue a la Gigue" - Leonard Slatkin conducts - YouTube
Gustav Holst originally scored Bach's "Fugue a la Gigue" BWV 577 for wind band but later made another version for full symphony orchestra. That version is played here by the BBC Philharmonic under Leonard Slatkin on a 1999 Chandos CD.






Frescobaldi / Hans Kindler : Toccata "In the Style of Frescobaldi"
Toccata "In the Style of Frescobaldi" - Orchestral Version - YouTube
In 1925, the cellist Gaspar Cassado published what purported to be a cello-and-piano arrangement of a 'Toccata' by Frescobaldi. However, as Cassado's Wikipedia biography points out, he was the author of "several musical hoaxes" and this was one of them. It was in fact his own composition. He had simply taken his cue from Fritz Kreisler, who had played works supposedly by Vivaldi, Tartini and others that he himself had written in their style. Another famous cellist, Hans Kindler, took up conducting and made an orchestral version of this piece. He was unaware that it was by Cassado, who never owned up to his hoaxes (unlike Kreisler) so Frescobaldi's name appeared on his score. The splendid recording Kindler made of this music dates from 1940 and is heard here on a Biddulph CD (WHL 063)




Mussorgsky "Night on Bald Mountain" - Sir Adrian Boult conducts - YouTube
Sir Adrian Boult made only one recording of any of Mussorgsky's music: this 1960 performance of "Night on Bald Mountain" for Reader's Digest. Its producer, Charles Gerhardt, 'tarted up' the Rimsky-Korsakov score with a few ideas of his own, notably in the percussion (added side-drums, cymbal crashes and gong strokes) as well as deleting the recurring brass 'fanfare' motifs familiar in the Rimsky edition. Sir Adrian seems to have enjoyed letting his hair down, what little of it there was!. (Chesky CD 53.)






Liszt: Hungarian Rhapsody No. 6 - Hans Kindler conducts - YouTube
Hans Kindler conducts his own orchestration of Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody No. 6 "Carnival in Pest" in a recording he made with the National Symphony Orchestra in 1945. Dutch-born Kindler had begun his musical career as a cellist but later took up conducting and founded the NSO in 1931. This is the only recording yet made of his own arrangement of the Liszt piano piece. (From Biddulph CD WHL 063)




Mussorgsky-Stokowski "A Night on Bare Mountain" - Jose Serebrier conducts - YouTube
Leopold Stokowski's version of "A Night on Bare Mountain" was featured in Walt Disney's 'Fantasia.' It is played here by the National Youth Orchestra of Spain under Jose Serebrier, former Associate Conductor to Stokowski. It comes from a concert that was filmed in Chester Cathedral in 2007 and released on Naxos DVD 2.110230.


Bach: Toccata in F major (orch. Esser) - Albert Coates conducts - YouTube
Bach's Toccata in F major for organ (BWV 540) was orchestrated in 1859 by Heinrich Esser (1818-1872). For a performance at the Three Choirs Festival in 1908, Sir Edward Elgar supplied a new concert ending to the piece. This recording was made in 1932 by the London Symphony Orchestra conducted by Albert Coates. (From 'Biddulph' CD BID 83069/70.)



Sibelius "Berceuse" from 'The Tempest' - Charles Gerhardt conducts - YouTube
This miniature masterpiece comes from Sibelius's Incidental Music to a 1926 production of Shakespeare's ''The Tempest' and is played by the National Philharmonic under the direction of the record producer / conductor / arranger Charles Gerhardt (from a 'Menuet' CD entitled "Romantic Favorites").



Vivaldi: Concerto Grosso in D minor - Stokowski's Symphonic Transcription - YouTube
Vivaldi's Concerto Grosso in D minor, originally for strings and harpsichord, was transcribed by Leopold Stokowski for a huge symphony orchestra. The instrumentation required is as follows: 2 flutes; piccolo; 2 oboes; cor anglais; 2 clarinets; bass clarinet; 2 bassoons; contra-bassoon; 5 horns; 4 trumpets; 4 trombones; 2 tubas; tam-tam; harp; timpani; and strings. In this spectacular recording (purists beware!) the BBC Philharmonic is conducted by Matthias Bamert, a one-time assistant conductor to Stokowski. There are three movements: (i) Allegro; (ii) Largo (featuring a superb duet for flute and oboe); and (iii) Allegro. (From a 'Chandos' CD




Mussorgsky-Wood "The Great Gate of Kiev" - Leonard Slatkin conducts - YouTube
In the 1991 BBC Proms season at the Royal Albert Hall, Leonard Slatkin devised a version of Mussorgsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition" in which each 'picture' and 'promenade' was by arranged by a different orchestrator (Ravel, Stokowski, Ashkenazy, Tushmalov, Leonidas Leonardi, Gortchakov, etc.). The sequence concluded with Ravel's version of "The Great Gate of Kiev" but as an encore, Slatkin and the Philharmonia Orchestra played it again in the arrangement by Sir Henry Wood, founder of the Proms.





Purcell-Stokowski "Dido's Lament" - Andrew Davis conducts - YouTube
Leopold Stokowski's string orchestra version of "Dido's Lament" ("When I am Laid in Earth" from Henry Purcell's 'Dido and Aeneas') was played at the Last Night of the 1995 Proms by the BBC Symphony Orchestra under Andrew Davis in London's Royal Albert Hall.




Bach "Little" Fugue in G minor - Stokowski's orchestration - YouTube
Bach's Fugue in G minor (the "Little" or "Shorter" Fugue for organ) was orchestrated by Leopold Stokowski and is here played by the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra under Jose Serebrier, his one-time Assistant Conductor. (From a 'Naxos' CD).


Piazzolla "Libertango" - The London Cello Sound - YouTube
Astor Piazzolla's "Libertango" is one of his best known numbers. It is played here by the 24 members of The London Cello Sound, plus rhythm section, under the direction of Geoffrey Simon. (Cala CACD0109).



Borodin "Nocturne" - Nikolai Tcherepnin's orchestration - YouTube
The "Nocturne" from Borodin's String Quartet No. 2 in D is played here in an unfamiliar but evocative orchestration by Nikolai Tcherepnin. The Philharmonia Orchestra is conducted on this 1959 'Russian Concert Favourites' LP by Anatole Fistoulari (SXLP 30119).




Gottschalk "Grande Tarantelle" for Piano and Orchestra - YouTube
This bravura toe-tapping showpiece was discovered after Louis Gottschalk's death in 1869 in versions for piano solo and for piano duo. It is heard here in Hershy Kay's exhilarating orchestration in which Reid Nibley is accompanied by the Utah Symphony under Maurice Abravanel. (Vanguard Classics CD 08 4051 71).




Cyril Scott "Lotus Land" - Kostelanetz conducts - YouTube
Cyril Scott's famous piano piece "Lotus Land" is heard here in an orchestral version played by the New York Philharmonic under Andre Kostelanetz. It comes from a 1950s Columbia LP entitled 'Grand Tour' (CL 981).




"Greensleeves" - Rene Leibowitz conducts - YouTube
"Greensleeves" is best-known in Vaughan Williams's version but here it is beautifully arranged for strings and harp by Rene Leibowitz. He conducts the New Symphony Orchestra of London on a Readers Digest "Concert Favourites" LP.





Bach "Italian Concerto" - Orchestral Version - YouTube
Bach's "Italian Concerto" in F major (BWV 971) is usually played on the harpsichord or piano. However, in 1936, Hans Schmidt-Isserstedt recorded a delightful orchestral version with the Berlin Philharmonic. Those old 78s (heard here) seem to be the only recording of the work in full orchestral form, as opposed to a smaller arrangement for chamber group. This particular version was made by the conductor himself. (From Biddulph BID 83069/70)



Sousa "The Stars and Stripes Forever" - Stokowski conducts - YouTube
John Philip Sousa's military band march "The Stars and Stripes Forever" is here given the full symphonic treatment by Leopold Stokowski in his own brilliant orchestration. He was already in his 90s when he made this recording with the National Philharmonic, a specially assembled orchestra of top-flight London musicians, and it comes from the 'EMI Classics' CD "Stokowski Showcase."



Bach-Elgar: Fantasia and Fugue in C minor - Elgar conducts - YouTube
The "Fantasia" from this 1926 recording has already been uploaded here on its own. A comment underneath that upload asks "Where is the Fugue?" so the transcription is now presented here in its entirety. Sir Edward Elgar conducts the Royal Albert Hall Orchestra on this historic recording. (From a 'Biddulph' CD).



Pierne "March of the Little Fauns" - Ormandy conducts - YouTube
This jaunty little piece comes from Gabriel Pierne's ballet "Cydalise and the Satyr" (1923) and is played by the Philadelphia Orchestra under Eugene Ormandy.





"The Volga Boat Song" - Sir Henry Wood conducts - YouTube
Sir Henry Wood, founder of the Proms in London, conducts his Symphony Orchestra in his own arrangement of this traditional Russian folksong. From a 78rpm disc made in 1930.




"Right Away!" Polka - Sargent conducts (orch. Walter Goehr)
"Right Away!" Polka - Sargent conducts - YouTube
Eduard Strauss's "Right Away!" Polka, in an orchestration by Walter Goehr, is heard here in a 78rpm recording made in 1944 by Dr. (later Sir) Malcolm Sargent and the Liverpool Philharmonic.



Mussorgsky "A Tear-Drop" (orch. Kindler) - Geoffrey Simon conducts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plut-2ummto
This charming piano piece, entitled "Une Larme" ("A Tear-Drop") was orchestrated by the Dutch-born cellist-turned-conductor Hans Kindler and is played here by the Philharmonia Orchestra under Geoffrey Simon on a Cala CD.
 

Llyranor

Member
Oh boy, transcriptions! Love those! Some purists dislike them, but even the untouchable Bach did his fair share of transcriptions, so I'd say everything is fair game.

Bach's Chaconne for orchestra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxKID2BcBT4 (though I'd say I like the original for violin better - it's probably my favorite composition)

Bach's BWV 552 - Prelude & Fugue, for orchestra (transc. by Schoenberg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMjJhaWl4rI

Bach's BWV 582 - Passacaglia & Fugue, for orchestra (transc. by Respighi)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhEPHyElKKc (though I also prefer the original, which showcases how godly the organ is)

Beethoven's Grosse Fuge, for orchestra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x_qnVllO1o (that dissonance!)
 

Aggelos

Member
Very nicely done, Bach Orchestral Transcriptions... A guilty pleasure and indulgence.
http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Arran/L-Orchestra.htm

A Clinton Nieweg Chart for Orchestrations and Arrangements of Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition
http://www.mola-inc.org/Nieweg Charts/MussorgskyPictures.pdf



I prefer Saito's or Raff's orchestration of Chaconne to Stokowski's. The Joachim Raff's orchestration doesn't seem to available on youtube though
Bach / Hideo Saito : Chaconne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLcnanjZ5wU



Debussy "Night in Granada" (orch. Stokowski) - Geoffrey Simon conducts
Debussy's "La Soiree dans Grenade" (or "La Noche en Granada"), originally for piano, is played in Stokowski's colourful orchestration by the Philharmonia Orchestra under Geoffrey Simon (from a 'Cala' CD).


Tchaikovsky "At the Ball" (orch. Stokowski) - Marjana Lipovsek, mezzo-soprano
Marjana Lipovsek sings a beautiful Tchaikovsky song, as orchestrated by Leopold Stokowski. Wolfgang Sawallisch conducts the Philadelphia Orchestra. (EMI Classics.)



Brahms: Piano Quartet in G minor (orch. Schoenberg) - Finale - Robert Craft conducts
This sensational performance of Schoenberg's orchestration of Brahms's G minor Quartet, from which we hear the "Rondo alla Zingarese," comes from a CBS LP on which the Chicago Symphony Orchestra is conducted by Robert Craft.



Borodin "Nocturne" (arr. Sargent) - Stokowski conducts
Sir Malcolm Sargent's arrangement for full string orchestra of the 'Nocturne' from Borodin's Quartet No. 2 in D was recorded in 1957 by Leopold Stokowski. He was a great admirer of Sargent and had conducted the BBC Symphony Orchestra in the early 1950s while Sir Malcolm was still its Chief Conductor (the photo of them together was taken in 1951). This 'Capitol' recording was made in Hollywood with string players drawn from the Los Angeles Philharmonic and film studio orchestras.



Bach-Stokowski: Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor
Bach-Stokowski: Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor - YouTube
This 'symphonic transcription' of J. S. Bach's great organ Passacaglia and Fugue was first played by Leopold Stokowski and the Philadelphia Orchestra in 1922. He then made several recordings of it between 1928 and 1972. The performance heard here was recorded by Stokowski and the International Festival Youth Orchestra in 1969 (Cala Records CACD0551).



Tu Mancavi a Tormentarmi - Cesti arr. Stokowski - Richard Egarr conducts - YouTube
Marc Antonio Cesti's "Tu Mancavi a Tormentarmi," dating from1668, was transcribed for strings and harp by Leopold Stokowski and is here superbly played by the Brussels Philharmonic under the noted harpsichordist / conductor Richard Egarr. It comes from a 'Glossa' CD that features several other sumptuous baroque arrangements by Stokowski.




Borodin "Requiem" - Stokowski's orchestration - YouTube
Borodin's "Requeim" started out as one of several little piano pieces (others were composed by Rimsky-Korsakov, Cui and Liadov) based on the repeating 'ostinato' children's theme 'Chopsticks' (or 'Tati-Tati' as it is known in Russia). Borodin added the opening words of the Requiem into his piano score ("Requiem aeternum dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis") to be sung by a male chorus. Many years later, Leopold Stokowski arranged this piano piece for a huge orchestra and it received its first recording under Geoffrey Simon's baton in 1992. (Cala Records).




Debussy: "The Engulfed Cathedral" - Stokowski orchestration - YouTube
Leopold Stokowski's orchestration of Debussy's piano prelude 'La Cathedrale Engloutie' is here played by the Philharmonia Orchestra conducted by Geoffrey Simon (Cala Records). It evokes an ancient legend in which the submerged Cathedral of Ys rises slowly out of the sea, its bells ringing and priests chanting, and then sinks slowly back again into the watery depths.




Buxtehude: Sarabande and Courante (arr. Stokowski) - YouTube
Buxtehude's "Sarabande and Courante," dating from the 1600s and originally written for keyboard, was arranged by Leopold Stokowski for a solo electrical Ondes Martenot and Orchestra. This extraordinary version is played here by Cynthia Millar with the BBC Philharmonic conducted by Matthias Bamert.




Handel - Dead March from 'Saul' - Stokowski orchestration - YouTube
The 'Dead March' from Handel's "Saul" is heard here in a dramatic orchestration by Leopold Stokowski, played by the BBC Philharmonic under Matthias Bamert.




Mozart "Turkish March" (orch. Stokowski) - YouTube
Mozart's 'Rondo alla Turca,' from his Piano Sonata No. 11 in A, was orchestrated by Leopold Stokowski under the title "Turkish March." It is played here by the BBC Philharmonic under Matthias Bamert and comes from their Chandos CD "Stokowski Encores."




Shostakovich: United Nations March (orch. Stokowski) - YouTube
Shostakovich's "United Nations March" (from the MGM war-time musical 'Thousands Cheer') is heard here in the orchestration by Leopold Stokowski (pictured on the left, after a concert in Moscow in 1958). The BBC Philharmonic plays it under Matthias Bamert, a one-time assistant conductor to Stokowski. It comes from a Chandos CD entitled "Stokowski Encores."




-Rachmaninoff/ Edmund Rubbra : Prelude In G Minor Op. 23 No 5
Rachmaninoff: Prelude in G minor (arr. Rubbra) - Fennell conducts - YouTube
Frederick Fennell and the Eastman-Rochester Pops Orchestra play Rachmaninoff's Prelude in G minor (originally for piano) as orchestrated by the English composer Edmund Rubbra, from a 1959 LP called "Popovers."



Bach: Fantasia & Fugue in G minor - Ormandy conducting - YouTube
Eugene Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra play Bach's organ Fantasia and Fugue in G minor BWV 542, as orchestrated by William R. Smith who at that time was Ormandy's assistant conductor. This recording dates from 1955 and is currently available on an all-Bach Transcriptions CD conducted by Ormandy and issued by Pristine Audio.



Bach-Elgar: Fantasia and Fugue in C minor - Ormandy conducting - YouTube
Eugene Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra play Sir Edward Elgar's orchestral transcription of Bach's Fantasia and Fugue in C minor BWV 537 for organ (recorded 1954). Pristine Audio's CD also includes Ormandy's own arrangement of the famous Toccata and Fugue in D minor.



Rachmaninoff: 3 Preludes (orch. Cailliet) - Ormandy conducts - YouTube
Instrumentation : 3,3,4,3 - 4,3,3,1 - timp, perc, - hp - str.
Lucien Cailliet (1897-1985) was a composer / wind player who spent many years with the Philadelphia Orchestra as both clarinetist and house arranger. His orchestrations of three Rachmaninoff piano preludes were recorded in 1950 by Eugene Ormandy and have been reissued on the Pristine label: (a) Prelude in C# minor; (b) Prelude in G major; (c) Prelude in G minor.



Jeremiah Clarke's "Trumpet Voluntary" - Sir Henry Wood's orchestration - YouTube
Sir Adrian Boult and the London Philharmonic play Jeremiah Clarke's "Prince of Denmark's March" (a keyboard piece formerly known as Purcell's "Trumpet Voluntary") in Sir Henry Wood's splendidly gargantuan orchestration. (From a Classics for Pleasure LP published in 1968).




Chopin "Marche Funebre" - Stokowski orchestration - YouTube
Matthias Bamert and the BBC Philharmonic play Leopold Stokowski's dramatic arrangement of Chopin's celebrated "Funeral March" (Chandos CD).



Bach-Stokowski "Andante Sostenuto" - Bamert conducts - YouTube
The "Andante Sostenuto" from Bach's Violin Sonata in A minor (BWV 1003) was sumptuously orchestrated by Leopold Stokowski and is here played by the BBC Philharmonic under Matthias Bamert. (Chandos Records).



Handel-Stokowski: Overture in D minor - Bamert conducts - YouTube
Stokowski followed in Elgar's footsteps in 1925 by making his own version of the Handel Overture in D minor, specially tailored for the Philadelphia Orchestra. The music derives both from Handel's Chandos Anthem No. 2 and his Concerto Grosso Opus 3, No. 5. Here the BBC Philharmonic is conducted by Matthias Bamert (Chandos Records).



Mussorgsky "The Great Gate of Kiev" - Douglas Gamley's orchestration - YouTube
Douglas Gamley conducts his own orchestration of the finale from "Pictures at an Exhibition," with the New Symphony Orchestra, the Men's Chorus of the Ambrosian Singers, and the organ of Kingsway Hall, London. From the Readers Digest 10-LP set "Music for You," produced by Charles Gerhardt (published 1968).




J.S. Bach / Lucien Cailliet : Toccata and Fugue in D Minor BWV 565
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTicNmL8Lbw
2011 New World Youth Symphony Orchestra end of the year concert at the Hilbert Circle Theatre in Indianapolis, Indiana. Sorry, the recording started a few seconds in. Composed by Johann Sebastian Bach, Arranged by Lucien Cailliet. Conductor: Mrs. Susan Kitterman






I am rather anxious if we would see someday recordings for the following guys

Leonidas Leonardi
http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Arran/OT-Leonardi.htm
Fabien Sevitzky
http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Arran/OT-Sevitzky.htm
Ivan Boutnikoff
http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Arran/OT-Boutnikoff.htm
Lucien Cailliet
http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Arran/OT-Cailliet.htm
Rene Leibowitz
http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Arran/OT-Leibowitz.htm
Herman Boessenroth
http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Arran/OT-Boessenroth.htm
Jeno Hubay
http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Arran/OT-Hubay.htm
 

Llyranor

Member
And now for a few 20th-c. works.

Been getting into Ysaye's sonatas for solo violin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrtjq1ASpk4
This one's amazing. Mixes the themes of Bach's 3rd violin partita, and the 'Dies Irae' 13th-century Gregorian hymn. My favorite part is at 0:28 when he starts playing the Dies Irae; he's playing a fugue (thus two overlapping melodies at different intervals) using a single violin. Superb composition.

Akira Ifukube (yes, that Godzilla composer)'s 1st violin concerto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_K6_pDACgQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LMI572U1_k
Somehow it perfectly mixes the traditions of the Western violin concerto, all while retaining a distinctively Japanese sound. A clash of musical cultures that doesn't sound out of place at all. Genius! I need to listen to more Japanese classical composers.

Another late 20th-c. violin concerto that I've fallen in love with, by Peteris Vasks. I can't believe this was composed in 1997; I still have a lot to learn about modern classical music. The soundscape is simply breathtaking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q_9-rHqTzM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxHenj22GvI
 

stravinsky

Neo Member
I've been trying to analyze a new Bach chorale prelude every day this summer. For fun, I guess. All of his four-part writing is pretty much flawless. It reminds me of the concept of elegant code, where his work is fascinating to study even without hearing (executing) it.
 

ronito

Member
I've been trying to analyze a new Bach chorale prelude every day this summer. For fun, I guess. All of his four-part writing is pretty much flawless. It reminds me of the concept of elegant code, where his work is fascinating to study even without hearing (executing) it.

Go analyze St. Matthew's Passion. It will blow your mind the things he hid in the score.
 

WARCOCK

Banned
This is what i've been listening to lately:

J.S. Bach - Piano Concerto No.5 in F minor, BWV 1056 (Allegro)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxN27Nqf0wU

Bach, Double Violin Concerto in D Minor, 1st mvt. BWV 1043
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CwICXwLBmo

J.S. Bach, Sonata No. 1 in G minor, BWV 1001, Presto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nRYHw-ZMG8

Bach Violin Sonata No. 1 in G minor adagio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdKWZqy1g0E

st.matthews finale chorus


J.S. Bach - Christmas Oratorio, BWV 248 / Aria: "Ich will nur dir zu Ehren leben"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lCqosHLv58

Bach Violin Concerto in D minor, BWV1052R
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz4gYHZ1-UA

J.S. Bach- Suite No.2 in B minor, BWV 1067: Ouverture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJUSuzUDijw

Bach Easter Oratorio, BWV249
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7SbtIl43HA

Bach Toccata and Fugue in D Minor ('Dorian')
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_esEWNcIkJk

Antonin Dvorák - Slavonic Dance No. 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doeFtpj83fk

*looks towards the sky* BACHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
 

Llyranor

Member
I've been getting into the Mozart HIP (historically-informed performance) movement lately. I'll admit I haven't warmed up to him as much as I feel I should, a few works aside (such as the Requiem and Sinfonia Concertante for Violin/Viola). It might just be that I've been listening to him 'wrong', because I've been really enjoying his works in the HIP style. Maybe other performance over-romanticize him?

His piano concertos with a pianoforte are quite nice. The modern piano's ancestor blends in with the orchestra more - feels ?smoother? Perhaps it gives less of a contrast and feels more like a concertante work rather than 'piano vs orchestra'. Maybe I'm overanalyzing it - but anyway, I love the sound!

Piano Concerto 14: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c543psIwuPw
Exquisite Andantino. 3:55-4:18 is particularly lovely. Those piano flurries <3 <3. I was listening to it in the background while playing a multiplayer game yesterday (classical as background music? blasphemy! boo hiss etc etc I know I know, hehehehe), and when I got to that part, the music literally stunned me. I mean, I lost my handle on the game and got killed.

41st symphony with the fantastic Musiciens du Louvre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYSWYhhsyy4 (that fugue finale @ 7:33, wow!)

Still looking for a good version of his violin concerti.

Bach, Double Violin Concerto in D Minor, 1st mvt. BWV 1043
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CwICXwLBmo
I really like that youtube channel. The visual cues are really helpful.
 
I've been getting into the Mozart HIP (historically-informed performance) movement lately. I'll admit I haven't warmed up to him as much as I feel I should, a few works aside (such as the Requiem and Sinfonia Concertante for Violin/Viola). It might just be that I've been listening to him 'wrong', because I've been really enjoying his works in the HIP style. Maybe other performance over-romanticize him?

His piano concertos with a pianoforte are quite nice. The modern piano's ancestor blends in with the orchestra more - feels ?smoother? Perhaps it gives less of a contrast and feels more like a concertante work rather than 'piano vs orchestra'. Maybe I'm overanalyzing it - but anyway, I love the sound!

Piano Concerto 14: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c543psIwuPw
Exquisite Andantino. 3:55-4:18 is particularly lovely. Those piano flurries <3 <3. I was listening to it in the background while playing a multiplayer game yesterday (classical as background music? blasphemy! boo hiss etc etc I know I know, hehehehe), and when I got to that part, the music literally stunned me. I mean, I lost my handle on the game and got killed.

41st symphony with the fantastic Musiciens du Louvre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYSWYhhsyy4 (that fugue finale @ 7:33, wow!)

Still looking for a good version of his violin concerti.


I really like that youtube channel. The visual cues are really helpful.

I'm a big fan of Mozart's piano sonatas. This is my favorite recording for them. (Gulda's Mozart tapes, Spotify link)

I've also been listening to a lot of Bartók lately, the Piano Concertos are fairly easy to get into and really cool. Also, the Concerto for Orchestra is great.
 
Henryk Gorecki - Symphony of Sorrowful Songs. I have this in SACD 5.1. Sounds amazing. Guaranteed to make me weep. Truthfully, it is incredibly moving. You Tube link
Arvo Part - Spiegel im Spiegel. Played this at my mothers funeral. You Tube link
Also a bit of Rachmaninov, Debussey and Tchaikovsky too. Barber's Adagio for Strings, Holst's Planets Suite, the usual.
 
Of all the instruments, the cello when played masterfully can reduce me to tears.
The way the sound resonates, the lows, and highs. Well anyways, was just watching/listening to this and for a short time forgot about the stresses of life. Another fantastic part about this footage is he looks like Stallone in first blood but with a nice curly afro that melds perfectly with his epic beard.

Mischa Maisky plays Bach Cello Suite No.1 in G
 

thespot84

Member
Of all the instruments, the cello when played masterfully can reduce me to tears.
The way the sound resonates, the lows, and highs. Well anyways, was just watching/listening to this and for a short time forgot about the stresses of life. Another fantastic part about this footage is he looks like Stallone in first blood but with a nice curly afro that melds perfectly with his epic beard.

Mischa Maisky plays Bach Cello Suite No.1 in G

Kindof off topic...is that the bad guy from Cobra?

EDIT: also that is a great rendition of Bach's Suite
 

ronito

Member
Of all the instruments, the cello when played masterfully can reduce me to tears.
The way the sound resonates, the lows, and highs. Well anyways, was just watching/listening to this and for a short time forgot about the stresses of life. Another fantastic part about this footage is he looks like Stallone in first blood but with a nice curly afro that melds perfectly with his epic beard.

Mischa Maisky plays Bach Cello Suite No.1 in G

For me Rostopovich had the quintessential recording of Bach's Cello suites. you should check it out.
 
let me know what you think.

Well he is fantastic as well. I can't really even say one is better than the other, they both possess amazing technical skill, it really comes down to how the musician decides to play it that day. His version seemed to have a faster cadence but it still sounded beautiful.
I should learn to play, all I know is about 18 years of guitar.
 

Llyranor

Member
Hmm...

I'm not sure if anyone will be able to help me or even if this is the appropriate place to ask, but I could use some help.

I'm looking for a specific performance of Tchaikovsky's violin concerto.

The thing is, I don't know the name of the violinist. All I can say is that it was an asian female, wearing a dark burgundy dress, and judging by the quality of the video, the performance seemed to be relatively recent.

I first saw it on youtube, and I instantly fell in love with Tchaikovsky's violin concerto. But in fact, I can't find another version that even remotely compares to the one that I initially saw. The soloist is masterful and elegant. I immediately wanted to find other pieces by her, but the entire video description was in a foreign language so I couldn't even make out her name.

But the whole crux of the current problem is that the video has suddenly been made private.

I found out because I had the performance bookmarked. I must have come home from work and watched it well over 20 times. A few days ago I clicked on my bookmark and I got a dreaded "This video is private, sorry about that."

Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAkw_Wi4yIo&feature=related

What monster would do such a thing?

I can't even ask for permission to view it because now that it's private the uploader isn't listed.
 

PianoGuy

Neo Member
Hmm...

I'm not sure if anyone will be able to help me or even if this is the appropriate place to ask, but I could use some help.

I'm looking for a specific performance of Tchaikovsky's violin concerto.

The thing is, I don't know the name of the violinist. All I can say is that it was an asian female, wearing a dark burgundy dress, and judging by the quality of the video, the performance seemed to be relatively recent.

I first saw it on youtube, and I instantly fell in love with Tchaikovsky's violin concerto. But in fact, I can't find another version that even remotely compares to the one that I initially saw. The soloist is masterful and elegant. I immediately wanted to find other pieces by her, but the entire video description was in a foreign language so I couldn't even make out her name.

But the whole crux of the current problem is that the video has suddenly been made private.

I found out because I had the performance bookmarked. I must have come home from work and watched it well over 20 times. A few days ago I clicked on my bookmark and I got a dreaded "This video is private, sorry about that."

Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAkw_Wi4yIo&feature=related

What monster would do such a thing?

I can't even ask for permission to view it because now that it's private the uploader isn't listed.

First comment says her name is Sayaka Shoji and I think someone reshared the same concert here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GqnjDGLESU
 

Amir0x

Banned
Man, Classical-GAF is dead?

Let me share my latest find: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayhbK8JeNKU
Makes my heart melt. Albinoni <3

Haha, nah. I just forgot about the thread for a while and then I remembered it when I was looking up threads I made.

Anyway, I want to make a thread in Gaming OT about classical music in gaming (both original and classic pieces), and was wondering if you had any good ideas on the subject? You're one of the stalwarts of Classical-GAF.
 

antitrop

Member
I'm not a classical music enthusiast, but I've always been able to appreciate it.

It may not be original and perhaps even cliché, but Beethoven's Ninth Symphony has always been my favorite since I was a young boy. Vivaldi's Four Seasons, as well, specifically Summer.

Ninth Symphony
Four Seasons
 

thespot84

Member
Haha, nah. I just forgot about the thread for a while and then I remembered it when I was looking up threads I made.

Anyway, I want to make a thread in Gaming OT about classical music in gaming (both original and classic pieces), and was wondering if you had any good ideas on the subject? You're one of the stalwarts of Classical-GAF.

Would you be interested in having Austin Wintory (Journey, fl0w) do a guest post? No guarantees but he's usually happy to talk about the subject when it comes up.
 

Amir0x

Banned
I'm not a classical music enthusiast, but I've always been able to appreciate it.

It may not be original and perhaps even cliché, but Beethoven's Ninth Symphony has always been my favorite since I was a young boy. Vivaldi's Four Seasons, as well, specifically Summer.

Ah, cliché for a reason though - because they're both so fucking good.

If you like Vivaldi, you might enjoy Georg Friedrich Händel - in particular his Concerti Grosso is spectacular. Really takes you through a wonderful swath of emotion.

(Side Note: I always found it sort of difficult to get into Opera, but one of Händel's operas really opened my eyes and softened my view and allowed me entry into that world too)

thespot84 said:
Would you be interested in having Austin Wintory (Journey, fl0w) do a guest post? No guarantees but he's usually happy to talk about the subject when it comes up.

Holy crap, I actually had some Austin Wintory stuff in the opening post I was composing. Usually it takes me a little while to research threads like this and get it together, but I'd love to hear his thoughts on anything from some of his inspirations to what his favorites are to how he views the challenges in crafting music for games which frequently have such an interpretive element depending on how the player interacts.
 

antitrop

Member
Ah, cliché for a reason though - because they're both so fucking good.

If you like Vivaldi, you might enjoy Georg Friedrich Händel - in particular his Concerti Grosso is spectacular. Really takes you through a wonderful swath of emotion.

I will check that out. I'm mildly familiar with a bit of Händel from the 101 music class I took in college.

Alexi Laiho and Roope Latvala do an incredible electric guitar composition of Four Seasons, both being classically trained Heavy Metal guitar players themselves. Hope it's not blasphemy, hahaha. I think it's kind of a must watch.
 

Llyranor

Member
I'm not too familiar with Classical in gaming.

I know Homeworld had a pretty cool scene with Barber's Adagio for Strings playing.

Torchlight 2's theme directly quotes Smetana's 1st String Quartet.

I know Civ4 uses some classical themes (I think I remember one of Dvorak's symphonies - MAYBE the slow movement of the 9th - I forget), don't know if the other games in the series use any.

I think one of the Hearts of Iron games (3?) plays the 2nd movement of Bruckner's 9th symphony during loading screens.

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In the meantime, I'll just leave this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTauMouZg9k

Telemann's concerto for trumpet and violin <3 <3
 

Amir0x

Banned

It's not blasphemy as one of the entry points for modern listeners into the classics is by re-interpretations like this. Making music like this more palatable for modern audiences allows people to soften their expectations for what classical music can be about, and provide a window into the wide range of possible applications of the timeless classical pieces.

I'm sure classical obsessed folk will say 'there's nothing like the original', and I'd agree, but I will never discourage someone from appreciating entry windows like this if it means a foot in the door.
 

thespot84

Member
Holy crap, I actually had some Austin Wintory stuff in the opening post I was composing. Usually it takes me a little while to research threads like this and get it together, but I'd love to hear his thoughts on anything from some of his inspirations to what his favorites are to how he views the challenges in crafting music for games which frequently have such an interpretive element depending on how the player interacts.

Well I'd say go ahead and start the thread, and I'll reach out and see if he'd be interested. He's done an AMA before on reddit, so he might be open to it. What would be the most convenient way to structure it? Just a bunch of questions from the thread that I deliver to him and then post his answers?

EDIT: here's his AMA, for those interested: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/s2xaw/im_austin_wintory_the_composer_for_journey_monaco/
 

Amir0x

Banned
Well I'd say go ahead and start the thread, and I'll reach out and see if he'd be interested. He's done an AMA before on reddit, so he might be open to it. What would be the most convenient way to structure it? Just a bunch of questions from the thread that I deliver to him and then post his answers?

EDIT: here's his AMA, for those interested: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/s2xaw/im_austin_wintory_the_composer_for_journey_monaco/

Well let me look through that AMA to see what type of questions he wasn't obviously asked, and then set you up with like 5 questions and see which ones he wants to answer, this way we don't have to worry about each others schedule. If the thread goes up and he wants to actively participate, even better, but this way there is no pressure either way. I'll send you a PM when I've prepared some stuff.
 
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