ClosingADoor
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I really don't get this. Americans pride themselves on having the best universities in the world. But let's not believe them when they actually do what they are good at.
Climate denial will be the official policy of Trumps administration
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That's the thing, even if climate change is somehow not real you've just conceded the renewable industry etc. to China and others. Completely stupid when you actually need manufacturing jobs.
I think Trump is taking a short term view on job opportunity with fossil fuels as that's an easy win but long term he has screwed America who will be forever behind or playing catch up when they didn't need to. Easy money and easy jobs are why they are anti climate change.
Spunky Monkey
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I don't get it. Even if you really truly believe climate change is a lie surely erring on the side of caution anyways is a good thing? How is using renewable energy going to make it worse? It's like taking an umbrella out with you, sure the weather man said it'll be sunny but no harm taking it just in case he's wrong.
But instead of posting your disgust at this on a forum every American needs to actively do something. Write letters, start a movement, do your own things to fight back! Writing on neogaf won't do anything.
But instead of posting your disgust at this on a forum every American needs to actively do something. Write letters, start a movement, do your own things to fight back! Writing on neogaf won't do anything.
Unless we're leaving the dumb-asses behind, they'll just fuck up Mars, too.
Of fucking course. Every shitty decision coming are ones that will make billionaires even richer in the short term.
Angelus Errare
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Sure Trump won and we're fucked but at least people didn't vote against their conscience!
She emailed Ben G. Hazi on a private server with warhawks.
She emailed Ben G. Hazi on a private server with warhawks.
Sleight of Jam
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b-b-b-but let's get rid of corrupt politicians guys, there's much corrupt, such money.
Edit: Can you guys not just learn for S.Korea and do something or are you all going to live with your tail between your legs?
I must say I do feel a little conflicted that the Green Party will be spending any surplus funds from the recount on staff training rather than environmental work. I suppose it could be argued they are two sides of the same coin, but it seems a bit hypocritical.
Hopefully in light of this news they will change their plans with the surplus.
I've compared Donald Trump to Duke Philips in the critic, in the episode where he runs for president. He almost wins because he gets people hooked by saying "I'm a billionaire, the only person who could bribe me would be a bazillionaire!"
But he loses his election in the end because he accidentally goes off script and describes what he'll really do if he wins the presidency.
We live in a reality where a cartoon is more sensible.
BladeoftheImmortal
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History books won't matter when there aren't humans to read them.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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Well, at least Elon Musk is sort of doing that.
eddievanclaylen
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Fuck Trump and all the people that voted for him.
broncobuster
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Something about snowballs.
Citizens United.
PkunkFury
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Exactly! It's Pascal's Wager, but grounded in reality. Sacrifice some near term luxury for the possible of long term safety. Of course these nuts will gladly side with Pascal, but won't apply the same philosophy to science
SoRuffShoNuff
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When you can't find work and your kids are hungry you don't have the luxury of worrying about the long term. Somehow Trump was the only person who realized this.
Count Dookkake
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.Don't say thattrump gon be pres for 2 days pls and then pence for some miraculous reasons vanishes from the face of the earth within that time frame
If we all chant YASS QUEEN loud and often enough, I'm sure everything will come out ok.
I think the better question is: "Why do a large portion of the people who accept that climate change is happening not do anything about it?"
Well, to be honest, Obama was not really a figure head for climate change either neither was Hillary. They at least accepted it, but Obama was only doing a lot of stuff, because the rest of the world was moving along. There never was this big initiative like in Germany to change things towards wind and solar or going out of nuclear.
Even during the Obama years, California dragged everybody else along, because they moved on.
Plenty don't deny it. But theres money to be made in current times if we don't do things to combat climate change so..... large companies and lobbyist want to pretend it doesn't exist. Sacrifice the future for profit today. Unfortunately the country has soooo bought into the Us vs Them mentality by this point that people blinding vote "their team" and only listen to "their team" above anything else, including science and experts.
So all the Conservative party had to do was drag Climate Change until they created the impression that it was a political issue and not a scientific one.
Now Climate change isn't viewed as 'Science' by Republican voters, but instead as 'One of those things the OTHER TEAM likes'. So by default, they are against it. Its a fucking hot mess, and one that will cost humanity so much more than just about everything else that's being battled for along party lines right now.
Embarrassing to be a part of this generation of humanity.
Funky Papa
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The most stupid thing about this is that denying climate change is bad business in the medium term. Not just because of the awful implications of it on the environment, but because America has a good number of high end companies and is really well positioned to corner the market for renewables due its large population and energy potential, but the GOP is still on that DRILL DRILL BABY high. It's madness. This is like betting on steam technology in the 20th century.
Elon Musk must be fuming. Maybe the EU should start poaching talent right away now that we want to divest from Russia's gas. Push for renewables like crazy, create a huge fund for start-ups and companies that want to relocate.
Elon Musk must be fuming. Maybe the EU should start poaching talent right away now that we want to divest from Russia's gas. Push for renewables like crazy, create a huge fund for start-ups and companies that want to relocate.
sammyCYBORG
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I notice a lot of people lately - not just on GAF - seem to get into hysterics about this and act as if global warming is going to kill them.
We'll all be dead before anything happens - It's not worth worrying about.
We should of course try to minimise the damage, I 'believe' in global warming and don't want us to speed up the destruction of society as we know it, but if we can't then don't lose sleep over it because it's not going to kill you.
Bit different if you have kids, admittedly.
We'll all be dead before anything happens - It's not worth worrying about.
We should of course try to minimise the damage, I 'believe' in global warming and don't want us to speed up the destruction of society as we know it, but if we can't then don't lose sleep over it because it's not going to kill you.
Bit different if you have kids, admittedly.
RocknRola
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Hopefully so. Though that usually happens when the big countries need to implement it; ie implementing fiber optics (internet) on Texas alone would contribute towards that (decreasing costs and more know-how) a lot more than implementing in the entirety of Portugal. Size matters in these things too.
Well, I'd like us to be there to read said history books too. And in 2016 (almost 2017 already) having a country like US, arguably the biggest change maker in the World if it so wants, take this stance is...well...disappointing would be puttting it midly...
TheBlackMarvel
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This line of thinking is exactly why it's a problem.
Nikodemos
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Not everybody on GAF is 24 and sporadically in and out of relationships, you know.
Also yes.
Don't forget that, before things become thoroughly fucked, they'll continue to deteriorate. This deterioration will coincide with the period when most GAFers will be old, weak and more or less helpless.
sammyCYBORG
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Which is why I put that in for people who do have kids and one day grandchildren.
Funky Papa
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You may be misjudging GAF's age and marital status. Or guys who just want to have a family one day in the future.
Sickboy007
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Who cares about the future of the human race, amirite?
I am not American, but I really hope if Trump and his lackeys really goes down this path that they will get strong condemnations from other world leaders and that USA gets severe sanctions from the rest of the world unless they change their ways. You want to fuck up your country by electing an inept incompetent bumbling idiot is one thing, but with your countrys pick you're now actually threatening the future of the whole planet and billions of people in the process. The world cannot stand idly by and wait for US to get out of their backward, conspiratorial, anti-science bubble. The world is slowly dying each day and if we don't act now it's going to be too late!
I am just so sad and furious that we're losing decades of progress, and we can do nothing but watch helplessly as it unfolds.
I am just so sad and furious that we're losing decades of progress, and we can do nothing but watch helplessly as it unfolds.
E-Cat
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Yeah, cause fuck the future generations if they aren't your direct descendants, right?
Not to mention moving away from renewables at this stage doesn't make ECONOMIC sense!! ffs, how can people be this thick?
EarsOfASnake
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This is all that needs to be said about climate change. The movement towards humans having less of an impact on the planet by rethinking how we get our energy, how we travel etc is an objective positive.
Jesus.
Muppet of a Man
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Wouldn't it be crazy if the survival of mankind was based on America either fighting another civil war over this or a foreign country invading due to this?
Our country has just become the comic book villian.
Ayye, Fuck Trump!
RocknRola
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This is a weird stance to take about this. Every single country that has a maritime coast + all islands will feel the effects of this as soon as it happens (aka, slow but sure progress of the sea towards the land). That is not mention the actual and very tangible changes that the rising sea level can have on the global climate which may indeed screw all of us.
It's in Humanity's best interest to damage control this as much as we possibly can. If not for us directly, for the future generations at least.
Alcoremortis
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It'd almost be funny if the actual conspiracy was that China was trying to make stupid Americans disbelieve in climate change so they could get ahead in renewables and become the next world leader.
sammyCYBORG
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I specifically said I'm all for taking action and don't want it to get worse.
I just find it weird that if it gets to the point where progress isn't being made, lots of people seem to be worrying about their own situation. It's anxiety over something that won't impact you - spend time worrying about something more immediate instead that you have control over.
Rexatality
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What frustrates me the most about this bullshit is knowing my nephew and future kids will have a hard time to grow up due to imbeciles like Trump and his ilk.
They should be condemned at any opportunity possible
They should be condemned at any opportunity possible
E-Cat
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How old are you? You will almost certainly experience many effects during your own lifetime.
Sickboy007
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What if some people want to put the general interest ahead of their personal, immediate gain? Just a crazy thought.
Blue Ninja
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We're doomed.
Let's get cracking on those Ark ships.
Let's get cracking on those Ark ships.
That's the same kind of argument people have been using for ages while polluting and fucking up the planet for others. It's bullshit. We're not gonna face the brunt of it, but our children are. The people of the future are. I'd like for human civilization to endure. People not looking at the bigger picture, like your argument here, are the reason it's going to vanish.
Funky Papa
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It's a bit difficult to put sanctions on one of the top 3 economies, not to mention the one in control of the USD. At least without unleashing a trade war. The ball is on Trump's roof here.
With that said, I'd expect a huge loss of international prestige (meaning investment money for renewables going somewhere else) and more countries pushing for indigenously developed technologies if Trump makes a huge mess.
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