PdotMichael
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It doesn't matter anymore. Clinton isn't relevant anymore so the ignorant crowd from the Clinton wing of the party and her supporters will just die off.
Clinton campaign didn't do tracking polls for the last month, ignored Michigan issues
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It doesn't matter anymore. Clinton isn't relevant anymore so the ignorant crowd from the Clinton wing of the party and her supporters will just die off.
They are both really lazy beyond belief.
Not that MAGA is much better, but it does have punch and a physiologically persuasive underpinning.
Jesus @ bold. Just take the fucking L for a horrific electoral showing. That's a great example why I've been actively avoided those threads.
I find it funny no one pointed out its literally an apostrophe away from supporting him
Cow Mengde
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So GAF helped elect Donald Trump then.
Oh right, I confused them. They are pretty similar though. I suppose it was to promote unity in the party and the country, but it wasn't used, because Clinton supporters had much more fun punching down on everyone that disagrees with them, instead of promoting how their candidate will make life better.
Oh yeah, Love Trumps Hate is stupid. That could actually be a viable Trump slogan, because "Trumps" in that context is on the positive side. The Hate is being Trumped with Love. Somebody probably felt super smart about the wordplay, but it's really awful on many layers.
What I got from this is that PoliGAF feels smart and likes to feel smart. Everyone that disagrees with them is uneducated and dumb. Look how they treated Michael Moore, who rightfully pointed at the Rust Belt and depressed voters.
Love trumps hate actually came from Bernie saying it on his rallies. Clinton ran away with it as a slogan
iirc it was like 3rd on Google tracking about Clinton stuff or something.
MAGA is much better than I'm with Her or Love Trumps Hate.
It implies that voting for Trump will Make America Great Again. It's a great slogan.
Hilary's slogans on the other hand do nothing to inspire people to vote. I'm with Her means what exactly? Vote for Hilary because she's a woman? Also what does Love Trumps Hate mean?
Those slogans were terrible. Much worse than Make America Great Again.
StrategyFan
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how long did "make america whole again" last?
MAGA is much better. I'm with Her is the worst of the bunch. Naked identity over substance.
At least Love Trumps Hate is kinda catchy and somewhat clever.
Rentahamster
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MAGA is actually brilliant, from a psychological/propaganda perspective. It's the perfect appeal to nostalgia and empty suit, feel good policy substitute.
I find it funny no one pointed out its literally an apostrophe away from supporting him
Here's the thing about "Love Trumps Hate".
1. It has the name of your opponent in the damn slogan! Do not cede mindshare to your opponent!
2. The first 2 words literally say, "Love Trump". You brain stopped paying attention after that.
Peter Ian Staker
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If the rumors about democrats wanting Kaine to run in 2020 are true we are nowhere near done.
Sinfamy
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That would be like Nintendo calling their new console the Wii U 2
Also are we certain that every American actually knew what trump meant in that sentence? Trump is not exactly a common word. That's something that also made this slogan useless and ineffective.
Exactly. And as someone pointed out, it sounds exactly like "Love Trump's Hate" which means the OPPOSITE of what they want to communicate. It's a dumb slogan. "I'm with Her" is devoid of substance and dumb too yet it aptly symbolizes the cult of personality that sprung up around Clinton. The whole campaign was uninspiring and all she had was that she wasn't Trump. Turns out Trump was more palatable to enough people which must be a real blow.
People were arguing that he could do more good outside VP position, but this was when they were more confident of Hillary's campaign and that we didn't necessarily need a more populist pick...
mangochutney
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Laieon
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Eh, to be fair minimalism is incredibly popular right now as far as design goes. Feels like everything is helvetica and a simple color.
So, hang on, something's just struck me.
If I remember rightly, we heard, late on, that Trump's campaign wasn't doing much polling in the run up to the election.
We heard here that Clinton's camp was also light on polling in the run up to the election.
Fair enough, here; mistakes on both sides. But that's not what's bothering me.
I *also* recall reports prior to the vote that there weren't many quality polls in the last weeks prior to the election - the assumption being that there were a lot of private polls being done.
Who was doing all that polling?
If I remember rightly, we heard, late on, that Trump's campaign wasn't doing much polling in the run up to the election.
We heard here that Clinton's camp was also light on polling in the run up to the election.
Fair enough, here; mistakes on both sides. But that's not what's bothering me.
I *also* recall reports prior to the vote that there weren't many quality polls in the last weeks prior to the election - the assumption being that there were a lot of private polls being done.
Who was doing all that polling?
And a port of Metroid Other M being the launch title.
The Dems will consider him. We have to stop them, somehow.
Fine Ham Abounds
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yes
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Lots of companies do private polling so they know whether to make particular investments or not, especially banks and hedge funds. I work in consulting and we see a lot of private polling.
An environment where people can actually speak their mind without being called names? An environment that Hillary supporters suppressed for the whole election. The OT became unbearable.
It was disgraceful how Bernie supporters were treated.
this is the right answer.
I wonder if any of these private polls actually showed a likely Trump victory.
Calamari41
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"Love Trumps Hate" is one of the worst political slogans in history. It's just all wrong. Not only the fact that it begins with "Love Trump," but all it takes is a slight fold in the fabric or a slight cutoff on the line of sight on the sign and all you end up seeing is "Love Trump." Someone on my Facebook feed posted a picture of their baby the other day where this exactly happened (a slightly folded "Love Trumps Hate" baby shirt) and she got torn the hell apart by people who thought she was a Trump supporter. And as someone said earlier, it can also be misconstrued as pro-Trump, as "Trump" is here assigned to the "Love" portion of the message and not the "Hate" portion.
"Make America Great Again" is one of the best slogans in a long time. You get it immediately, and it also has subliminal messaging going for it as well. "Make" implies action, and positive work. "Great" is obvious. "Again" appeals to the Member Berries... whatever a "Great America" means to you personally, that's what you think of when you hear the campaign slogan.
I use the "royal you" here, of course, because everyone on GAF is way too smart to be influenced by campaign sloganeering.
"Make America Great Again" is one of the best slogans in a long time. You get it immediately, and it also has subliminal messaging going for it as well. "Make" implies action, and positive work. "Great" is obvious. "Again" appeals to the Member Berries... whatever a "Great America" means to you personally, that's what you think of when you hear the campaign slogan.
I use the "royal you" here, of course, because everyone on GAF is way too smart to be influenced by campaign sloganeering.
Honestly, its sad how this website became pretty much the worse place on the internet to talk about Bernie Sanders.
God Dayumm
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I'm sure some did. Of course those private polls will be biased towards the demographic they serve, but what if you aggregate all of them? Maybe we could get a very clear picture of reality
yeah "I'm With Her" in retrospect was incredibly self centered. I get what she was going for and honestly I had my issues with Clinton but the slogan never really bothered me. however in retrospect she could have gone with something that spoke more to the people she was trying to win over as opposed to just fluffing herself up. hell, "I'm With You" would have been better.
lol, spot on
Father_Brain
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Is this meant to link to a specific post?
cheezcake
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Forget Bernie. I mentioned that Clinton's emails do show a severe lack of judgement and certainly hurt her optics, which apparently makes me Trump's right hand man. Any thoughts that didn't reverberate in the echo chamber made you a supporters of that racist, sexist buffoon apparently.
Calamari41
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I am in a role of authority and deep experience in the intelligence community, specifically having to do with securing and protecting classified information, and I knew that if I ever came into a political thread and tried to explain the situation based on direct personal knowledge, I would be run out of here on a rail. The email situation was nuclear from before she even declared her candidacy, and nobody wanted to hear it.
theignoramus
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Facts.
DiipuSurotu
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As a non-American I'm wondering something. Did Bill Clinton have zero influence on the campaign? How did he even win in 1992?
Bill was an outsider and a fresh face to the party and also very charming.
Ding, ding.
A lot of us just checked out because a majority on this forum was hellbent on dogpiling and flushing out anything that resembled dissent. Some of that is normal in election years, but it was absurd.
Instead, we got mocked for being privileged, redditers, naive, or meme-d out by the 'yas queen' crowd. The lack of enthusiasm was palpable and we kept banging on about it, but got drowned out by reassurances that she was vastly preferred in the primaries and had a cakewalk of an election.
The Supreme Court, they said. The lower courts, they said. The downticket candidates, they said. The first woman, the inspiration for the world after electing a black man, they said. Bernie was a disgraceful, too old, untested socialist, with skeletons in his closet, they said.
And now we lost it ALL against the single worst candidate ever put forth, in an open election, and because she put into practice all the characteristics that we kept saying were problematic: the insularity, the tone deafness, the hubris (and it's still ongoing). It's almost as if HRC didn't even exist.
Kindly excuse us while we exercise our frustrations and temporal contempt for the people that helped put us here. I remember 2000-2008 vividly, let alone what some of these clowns now being tossed around for cabinet positions gave us in the 1990s, and I was hoping I'd never have to live through that again.
This is worse.
SlimySnake
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lol at all you guys blaming Hillary supporters. Hindsight is always 20/20. Here are the facts:
- She didn't campaign in PA, WI and MI because ALL polls had her up by a comfortable margin.
- You dont campaign in blue states when you can campaign in traditional swing states like Ohio and Florida. And She campaigned there a lot.
- She should have done more tracking polls but all polls had her up anyway. The money was better spent in ads.
- Her ads were great at making Trump look like a vile racist fool. Americans just ignored it. Blame them.
- She won every debate and destroyed him in the last debate. Americans ignored this. Blame them.
- Blame the polls for getting it so wrong. Campaigns live and die by polls. If the polls had her up then you cant fault her for trusting the polls. If she HADNT trusted the polls and went to traditionally blue states like MI and WI instead of focusing on Ohio and Florida, everyone would've blamed her for not focusing on swing states.
- Someone in Wisconsin said, we wanted to see her and we voted for the racist scumbag because she didnt come and coddle us and tuck us in bed. Dont buy into this. Running a few campaign events into Winsconsin isnt going to convince selfish apathetic white people to all of a sudden vote for her. They had plenty of time to see her during the debates. They went for the guy who got creamed in the debates. Fuck them.
- Stop pretending she only won the primaries in southern states thanks to black voters who dont count in the GE. IIRC, she swept super tuesday. Won Ohio, IL, Florida, Missouri and North Carolina. She won traditionally blue states like NY and California by massive margins. Stop with this narrative.
- Blame 6 million democrats who decided not to show up against the most unqualified president in u.s history. Republican vote has topped out at 60 million in the past three elections, so while they came out and voted for their guy as usual, democrats didnt. Dont tell me that you want to be inspired. Dont tell me you want a better slogan. Dont tell me you wanted someone more charismatic. Or you would stay home, vote third party or vote for this buffoon. You wouldn't. You all went out there and voted for her because you knew it was the right thign to do. these 6 million Obama voters didnt. BLAME THEM.
DO BLAME HER for the following:
- All but ignoring white voters.
- Focusing too much of the GOTV effort on hispanics and other minorities. More hispanics voted for Trump than Romney anyway.
- Not effectively countering Trump on the debate stage whenever he talked trade or outsourcing jobs. She was awful in this regard actually.
- Not focusing on the economy. It's the economy stupid.
- Not promising more. She was an adult and thought americans were adults. She had more faith in america to do the right thing and they didnt.
With all that said, it's important to note that Trump did everything wrong and still won. He didnt play by the book and won. She did and lost. She did everything the conventional wisdom suggested and lost. This is unprecedented. Anyone running a traditional campaign would have lost. Now Bernie might have won because he was essentially running the same campaign as Trump without the vile racist behavior. He was bringing in the white voter and minorities wouldve turned out to vote for him anyway in the GE. His commie ties and socialist agenda wouldnt have hurt her because nothing hurt Trump. But again, this is unprecedented. No one expected republicans would stoop to this. No one.
- She didn't campaign in PA, WI and MI because ALL polls had her up by a comfortable margin.
- You dont campaign in blue states when you can campaign in traditional swing states like Ohio and Florida. And She campaigned there a lot.
- She should have done more tracking polls but all polls had her up anyway. The money was better spent in ads.
- Her ads were great at making Trump look like a vile racist fool. Americans just ignored it. Blame them.
- She won every debate and destroyed him in the last debate. Americans ignored this. Blame them.
- Blame the polls for getting it so wrong. Campaigns live and die by polls. If the polls had her up then you cant fault her for trusting the polls. If she HADNT trusted the polls and went to traditionally blue states like MI and WI instead of focusing on Ohio and Florida, everyone would've blamed her for not focusing on swing states.
- Someone in Wisconsin said, we wanted to see her and we voted for the racist scumbag because she didnt come and coddle us and tuck us in bed. Dont buy into this. Running a few campaign events into Winsconsin isnt going to convince selfish apathetic white people to all of a sudden vote for her. They had plenty of time to see her during the debates. They went for the guy who got creamed in the debates. Fuck them.
- Stop pretending she only won the primaries in southern states thanks to black voters who dont count in the GE. IIRC, she swept super tuesday. Won Ohio, IL, Florida, Missouri and North Carolina. She won traditionally blue states like NY and California by massive margins. Stop with this narrative.
- Blame 6 million democrats who decided not to show up against the most unqualified president in u.s history. Republican vote has topped out at 60 million in the past three elections, so while they came out and voted for their guy as usual, democrats didnt. Dont tell me that you want to be inspired. Dont tell me you want a better slogan. Dont tell me you wanted someone more charismatic. Or you would stay home, vote third party or vote for this buffoon. You wouldn't. You all went out there and voted for her because you knew it was the right thign to do. these 6 million Obama voters didnt. BLAME THEM.
DO BLAME HER for the following:
- All but ignoring white voters.
- Focusing too much of the GOTV effort on hispanics and other minorities. More hispanics voted for Trump than Romney anyway.
- Not effectively countering Trump on the debate stage whenever he talked trade or outsourcing jobs. She was awful in this regard actually.
- Not focusing on the economy. It's the economy stupid.
- Not promising more. She was an adult and thought americans were adults. She had more faith in america to do the right thing and they didnt.
With all that said, it's important to note that Trump did everything wrong and still won. He didnt play by the book and won. She did and lost. She did everything the conventional wisdom suggested and lost. This is unprecedented. Anyone running a traditional campaign would have lost. Now Bernie might have won because he was essentially running the same campaign as Trump without the vile racist behavior. He was bringing in the white voter and minorities wouldve turned out to vote for him anyway in the GE. His commie ties and socialist agenda wouldnt have hurt her because nothing hurt Trump. But again, this is unprecedented. No one expected republicans would stoop to this. No one.
Enosh
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I think stuff without the -H next to it is by her staff, so that's basically the people in charge of her twitter congratulating her
I think they delibaretely kept him low key to combat people saying that Hillary was just riding on him. He also looked very tired all around. Age got to him.
He alsoactually raised the issue of rural voters, but was ignored by the campaign manager. Hence, his influence was probably small.
And they didn't think that this would look weird? For one looking like she congratulating herself, since it was her face and name and her already being cockily sure that she is president. It's abuela level stupid. Not directly a reason against her, but another negative brick about her egoism and arrogance.
"congratulations on the horrible emotional pain you're going to feel if you ever look back through this twitter account"
Calamari41
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It was a combination of things. George HW Bush was seen as a shoe in for re-election early on in the campaign, so there wasn't much interest from the big name Democrat stars in running. When the economy started faltering deeper into the election, Clinton was the one standing to take advantage of it. Obviously the thing didn't just default to him, as his personal charisma and campaign machine played a big role too. But that's why he was the one there to catch the ball.
Cesare Borgia
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It doesn't matter, Kaine doesn't have the party infastructure or outside backing to be handed anything. Seattle and Sillicone Valley money will want Booker, NE money will want Warren. But nobody is going to be given anything, it's going to be an actual primary with actual candidates competing.
I thought Ross Perot also played a large part in taking votes away from bush as well.
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