Clinton: Trump supporters in "the basket of deplorables" ie - racist, homophobic, etc

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Like, let's not forget she literally gave a speech about this exact same thing like two weeks ago. Her traveling press secretary is saying the same thing on Twitter. If you want to "fix" it, you simply say that Donald Trump has brought in the alt-right out of their shadows. Go through the names again. Reinforce that he supports Putin, and bob's your uncle.

There's also polling out there that confirms either a majority or a plurality of people believe Donald Trump is either a racist or bigot. And polling also confirms that a majority of people believe he says racist things. So....this just plays into that narrative again.
 
DOWN said:
? Quite shallow that you go there at any mention of it, not to mention dramatic and false. Even she condemned that comment. Please. I'm not saying hold a grudge over it like she never learned. I'm saying acknowledge she's learned and come to a better place on plenty of ideas.

Y'all are coming after me and I don't have a problem with her. I just don't care for the complete comment she gave.
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If you had any clue to the context of her speech, you'd know she wasn't calling all blacks animals or close to being malicious. Yes it's technically racist because she's talking about black people, but to think that blacks didn't agree with that sentiment then would be completely wrong. It'd be like holding a grudge against someone for calling the killers in chiraq thugs. And just like a lot of shit brought up to bash her with from the past, when she finally got confronted, she apologized, acknowledged her privilege, and has continued pushing forward with black issues like criminal justice reform.
 
DOWN said:
Oh my bad, she was always positive on gay issues ��

She's awesome currently and I haven't suggested otherwise so I'm a bit lost as to what the problem is
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If you're referring to her stance on gay marriage, that would be one thing but she was always consistent when she believed that gay people such as myself deserve to be treated equally. She prided herself as the first lady marching a gay pride parade.

Even before her flip flop on 2012-2013 marriage, she gave a powerful speech that gay rights are human rights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MudnsExyV78
 
atr0cious said:
If you had any clue to the context of her speech, you'd know she wasn't calling all blacks animals or close to being malicious. Yes it's technically racist because she's talking about black people, but to think that blacks didn't agree with that sentiment then would be completely wrong. It'd be like holding a grudge against someone for calling the killers in chiraq thugs. And just like a lot of shit brought up to bash her with from the past, when she finally got confronted, she apologized, acknowledged her privilege, and has continued pushing forward with black issues like criminal justice reform.
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I didn't say or accuse her of meaning any of that and my post you quoted agrees it isn't something to hold a grudge over and said she acknowledged it and had improved since so...
Leona Lewis said:
I don't understand this sentence.
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Lol same
 
probably shouldn't have said it, but peek into /r/the_donald and you know she's telling the truth. you could give some of these guys piles of evidence, but if it doesn't feel true, it ain't to them.
 
Debirudog said:
That's because she said was for civil unions and that gay couples deserve the priveliges as straight married couples.

Like, some of you folks only see that part of what she said and then ignored everything else after that.
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Right, we know that. But how is that being "treated equally"?

We know where she stands now, but you said she was always consistent on that front.
 
At this point it needs to be said somewhere in the media that if you support Trump you are a racist.

Fuck beating around the bush. Draw a line in the sand and force people to accept who they are and what they are voting for.

You're not going to lose any voters who were going to vote for you anyways. Call them out and shame them for voting for this man. Maybe it will inspire people to actually vote to be sure he never touches the White House.

If she says it, they have to cover it. Maybe it will get the conversation started out in the open.
 
Don't like her one bit, but she isn't wrong in the least here. Trump and his most ardent supporters are the lowest form of bottom feeding scum on the planet.
 
Phased said:
At this point it needs to be said somewhere in the media that if you support Trump you are a racist.

Fuck beating around the bush. Draw a line in the sand and force people to accept who they are and what they are voting for.

You're not going to lose any voters who were going to vote for you anyways. Call them out and shame them for voting for this man. Maybe it will inspire people to actually vote to be sure he never touches the White House.

If she says it, they have to cover it. Maybe it will get the conversation started out in the open.
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Unfortunately, the vast majority of our television media are spineless hacks who have aided and abetted institutionalized racism for years by burying their heads in the fucking sand. This will lead to lots of pearl clutching and "what about the optics?" and little to no discussion of the fact that a candidate running on an openly racist platform is polling over 40% for the the most powerful office in the world.
 
adam387 said:
Like, let's not forget she literally gave a speech about this exact same thing like two weeks ago. Her traveling press secretary is saying the same thing on Twitter. If you want to "fix" it, you simply say that Donald Trump has brought in the alt-right out of their shadows. Go through the names again. Reinforce that he supports Putin, and bob's your uncle.

There's also polling out there that confirms either a majority or a plurality of people believe Donald Trump is either a racist or bigot. And polling also confirms that a majority of people believe he says racist things. So....this just plays into that narrative again.
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Yeah, essentially. I think putting amount to it may have been a mistake, because that makes it so easy to schew, but I guess at the end of the day that's what would happen regardless
 
This needed to be said. No one has really had the confidence to let it out. The media constantly alludes to it. They occasionally mention how, even if Trump loses, his base will not disappear. He is setting America back just by running.

Should she have been the one to say it? Maybe, maybe not. I hope the media backs her up, and starts replaying those clips of harmful and hateful people at every one of his rallies.

Katy Tur went on a rant today on Hardball saying just as much, and she's been following Trump's campaign trail for well over a year.
 
Oh wow, it's been like two whole weeks without an OPTICS!!!!!! political concern trolling on Hillary. Think that's a record for this election.
 
Leona Lewis said:
Right, we know that. But how is that being "treated equally"?

We know where she stands now, but you said she was always consistent on that front.
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Because to me, she weighed in on matters that isn't just gay marriage. I'm more interested in what she had done than just paying lip service, something she has done when she was SoS.

When it comes to supporting the rights for gay people, overall yes, I do believe she's consistent on supporting the rights of gay people, as she said she was for civil unions and that they should be enjoying the same rights as straight married people.

On the part of the gay marriage however, it's disappointingly no. However, it's politics and good people like Obama and Bernie even said they weren't for gay marriage. I am willing to forgive her on that part.
 
Meh, not wise attacking his supporters, because those people still are Americans and Hillary still has a responsibility to govern over them as well. I am actually reminded of Romney's 47% comment because of both candidates disdain for certain denominations of the population. I remember when Trudeau won here in Canada, he really emphasized how he would be a prime minister to ALL Canadians - even the conservatives who actively tried to thwart him, and that sort of positive and accepting attitude is what is making him a very favorable prime minister even among those who voted against him.
 
DOWN said:
I didn't say or accuse her of meaning any of that and my post you quoted agrees it isn't something to hold a grudge over and said she acknowledged it and had improved since so...
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This is what everyone was originally responding to, you equating the two.
DOWN said:
She had some of these deplorable views in the past too so I don't think the comment was smart and doesn't give credit to the fact that people's minds can change for the better.
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You say this like it's a fact that will hurt her. Then you moved the goal post and said it like she was just being political with the "name of the game" comment. Don't post "both sides" shit and not expect to be called out for it.
 
Not smart to attack the other side's supporters, no matter how accurate the accusations may be.

I just can't wait for this to be a news story we hear discussed nonstop for the next week and a half, while Trump's continued verbal fellatio of Putin is quickly forgotten.
 
Awwwwww pobrecito trump supporters.

I thought they were all against being politically correct and all for politicians "telling it like it is".

It will be glorious to watch as they trip over each other to try and smash the mirror that has been held up to their repugnant faces.
 
Trump skated by on a plurality early on in the primaries by about mid 20s to 30s depending on the state. I'd wager that early base is indeed staight up racist as fuck when he was going hot and heavy on the awful nonsense.
 
jack_package_200 said:
Lol this.

If you think gays, muslims, and blacks do not deserve equal footing in society, you deserve to be called out on your shit.

Sorry not sorry.
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Saying it's not smart to do isn't the same as saying it's undeserved.

So much of politics is about optics. You can't be seen as "attacking" a bunch of voters and not expect some blowback, and potentially the loss of some undecideds.
 
pigeon said:
The 47% comment was a problem for Romney because it revealed that he was deluded about half of America.

This comment reveals that Hillary clearly understands half of America.
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Also Romney said it in PRIVATE thinking it would never be seen outside of that room.


Still -- marginalizing voters might not be a good strategy, even if it makes sense. Not sure how some in the middle will react. Time will tell. She's brave
 
Just looking around the major sites, doesn't seem like the media as latched on to this yet. Also she has been getting a LOT of praise for this statement on social media.

All just anecdotal though.
 
Her caveat about the rest of them just wanting change gave her an out. Most of the racists bigots can still cling to the illusion that she wasn't talking about them (she was, bigots).
 
I think it's gonna actually benefit for her the left. She doesn't need to worry about the right or "undecideds" who still can't make a decision between a bigot or an actual candidate.
 
If I was running for president, I wouldn't ask for the vote of racists who beat protesters with their chosen candidates approval.

fuck um.
 
plop said:
Saying it's not smart to do isn't the same as saying it's undeserved.

So much of politics is about optics. You can't be seen as "attacking" a bunch of voters and not expect some blowback, and potentially the loss of some undecided voters.
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Optics against the alt right have been nothing but positive so far. More light being shined on them isn't exactly a new strategy.

Comparing this to the 47% shitfest with Romney is silly when Tump not long ago assumed all blacks were impoverished, out of work and uneducated.

Emboldened racists will stay racist. The moderates cut and run.
 
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We're gonna need a bigger basket.
 
No lies detected...same thing with Geert Wilders from Freedom party here in the netherlands hitting on the same notes as trump but even worse on that part.
 
Bornstellar said:
This is a problematic attitude that simultaneously fails to recognize reality (yes they are part of America too) and denies a fundamental belief in redemption and the ability of people to change for the better. Categorizing people as irredeemable, or reducing them to their worst elements, is itself a cancer.
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She told no lies.

Sure, some folks are redeemable, but if most of them were redeemable, we'd be rid of a lot of society's ills already.
 
No, see, they are America. As much as apple pie. What is America but the dregs that constitute it!

What she said is at least in part untrue and and unwise. But not like they were joining her anyhow.

GutsOfThor said:
Pretty sad truth from twitter.
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No, that isn't true. Trump's success has been an incredible shock and has ruled the media for almost a year.
 
Socreges said:
No, see, they are America. As much as apple pie. What is America but the dregs that constitute it!

What she said is at least in part untrue and and unwise. But not like they were joining her anyhow.

No, that isn't true. Trump's success has been an incredible shock and has ruled the media for almost a year.
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It's only a shock if you hadn't been paying attention
 
It feels so backward to have the two candidates who are way older the current president. I know I'm sounding ageist now but it's a shame that there are no viable candidates born in the 60s or 70s that would provide new perspective from a different generation.
 
Im going to do a trump thing here "telling it like it is" "no more political correctness"

I dont think clinton should do this though
johnsmith said:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-basket-of-deplorables/




While I want to be glib and say "only half?" not sure if this was a smart thing to say. The press is going to try to make this into a Romney 47% or Obama "bitter clingers" moment.
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How many 47% moments does trump have so far? Cant even count
 
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