Clinton: Trump supporters in "the basket of deplorables" ie - racist, homophobic, etc

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Ah, the sky is falling! This won't hurt her much, if at all, and it definitely won't cost her the election. My biggest hope is that maybe the media will actually examine enabler sites like Brietbart and their direct involvement with the Trump "campaign."

Edit: "Disrespectful"!?? Hahaha GAF, you are precious.


What else is there to expose? Theyve already talked about Breitbart what it is and Steve Bannon joiining the campaign ad nauseum. people dont listen. there is no smoking gun that will make people realize trump is not what they think, we are yelling into an echo chamber.

but this is not something to defend by Hillary. its deplorable shit tier politics. she can attack trump all she wants but calling his supporters racists and bigots? if you guys dont see the problem with that and think its totally true then you are blind to your own political bigotry

You don't think its disrespectful to relegate a voter base to racists and bigots?

What if Trump said all Hillary supporters are only voting for her cuz shes a woman?
 
One side actually says/implies/does raciest things: Eh, give them the benefit of the doubt. They'll pivot.

Other side calls them actual racists: BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY ELECTION IS OVER
Yeah, I don't understand this shit. David Duke of all people have publicly given support to Trump.

The man has the support of Russia. They dislike brown people.

It's all true. Trump can spew stupid nonfactual information and get cheers. Clinton tells the truth and doesn't bs and she is wrong? Fuck the race. I'm signing out. Double standards n shit.
 
Ah, the sky is falling!

wat

all I said was she isn't lying (true) but this probably shouldn't be coming from her (also true)

never once implied that this is some huge blunder that will cost her the election

but yes, the sky is falling and trump just won the election /s

some of yall lol
 
What if Trump said all Hillary supporters are only voting for her cuz shes a woman?

Did you even read what she said? She didn't say all Trump supporters. She said roughly half.

Which part of that are you disputing - that a significant chunk of Trump's support comes from white nationalists etc., or just the exact percentage?
 
Yeah, I don't understand this shit. David Duke of all people have publicly given support to Trump.

The man has the support of Russia. They dislike brown people.

It's all true. Trump can spew stupid nonfactual information and get cheers. Clinton tells the truth and doesn't bs and she is wrong? Fuck the race. I'm signing out. Double standards n shit.

double standard is us being fucking livid when Mitt Romney says "50% of americans just want handouts" but when our girl says "Trump supporters are racists" we're like well shes telling it like it is!

Did you even read what she said? She didn't say all Trump supporters. She said roughly half.

Which part of that are disputing - that a significant percentage of Trump's support comes from white nationalists etc., or just the exact percentage?

Yes, please show me the objective data that shows half of Trumps supporters are racists and bigots.

Theres the problem. Its a sweeping generalization and disrespects an entire voter base, who are americans.

Seriously its like something Trump would say
 
You don't think its disrespectful to relegate a voter base to racists and bigots?

What if Trump said all Hillary supporters are only voting for her cuz shes a woman?

One is true and supported by data/polling, the other is complete bullshit? That's a pretty big difference.
 
One side actually says/implies/does raciest things: Eh, give them the benefit of the doubt. They'll pivot.

Other side calls them actual racists: BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY ELECTION IS OVER
Exactly.

Trump:

Mexicans in the US are "rapists, murderers ,drug dealers"

Muslims "thousands cheered 9/11, they hate us"

All Blacks "live in poverty, their lives can't get much worse"

Has the CEO of Brietbart as his campaign manager, a former campaign manager who assaulted a female journalist, another with ties to anti American violence.



Clinton:

"Half of his support are deplorables"



Yet hers is the grand offense? Again being called racist is worse than being an actual one.
 
You don't think its disrespectful to relegate a voter base to racists and bigots?

All of them sure, but have you taken a look at your facebook feed of Trump supporters? How about videos, comments, interviews, polling, etc. A large subsection of his supporters are openly racist, sexist, Islamophobic, etc. Do you disagree?

You can make the argument that it wasn't good to say politically, but what she said is absolutely correct.

What if Trump said all Hillary supporters are only voting for her cuz shes a woman?

All, it would be wrong. Is there a subset, sure, I would bet it is increasingly small though.
 
Yes, please show me the objective data that shows half of Trumps supporters are racists and bigots.

Theres the problem. Its a sweeping generalization and disrespects an entire voter base, who are americans.

That doesn't really answer my question. Is the problem that she's saying a significant portion of Trump's support comes from white nationalists etc., or is it the exact "50%" bit that you're hung up on?

And who's this "entire voter base"? At most, it's HALF of a voter base.
 
One is true and supported by data/polling, the other is complete bullshit? That's a pretty big difference.

All of them sure, but have you taken a look at your facebook feed of Trump supporters? How about videos, comments, interviews, etc. A large subsection of his supporters are openly racist, sexist, Islamophobic, etc. Do you disagree?

You can make the argument that it wasn't good to say politically, but what she said is absolutely correct.



All, it would be wrong. Is there a subset, sure, I would bet it is increasingly small though.

Do you guys not see the problem with rationalizing this? So when Trump does the same shit and his base goes "of course theyre all just liberals who are/want ____, havent you seen your facebook feed of people wanting free college, calling trump supporters racists, and all that other hippy shit? What he said is absolutely correct."

That doesn't really answer my question. Is the problem that she's saying a significant portion of Trump's support comes from white nationalists etc., or is it the exact "50%" bit that you're hung up on?

And who's this "entire voter base"? At most, it's HALF of a voter base.

How did I not answer your question? There is no objective, factual, mature, or professionally acceptable way to say that a huge group of people are only voting for Trump cuz theyre racists and bigots. Your problem is that you agree with the statement so you are unable to see the problem with saying it.

An entire voter base. A group of people.
 
Exactly.

Trump:

Mexicans in the US are "rapists, murderers ,drug dealers"

Muslims "thousands cheered 9/11, they hate us"

All Blacks "live in poverty, their lives can't get much worse"

Has the CEO of Brietbart as his campaign manager, a former campaign manager who assaulted a female journalist, another with ties to anti American violence.



Clinton:

"Half of his support are deplorables"



Yet hers is the grand offense? Again being called racist is worse than being an actual one.

Yeah man, this shit is crazy. He gets away it with. They say he's truthful - no nonsense. Clinton is wrong though.
 
What if Trump said all Hillary supporters are only voting for her cuz shes a woman?

He said "She'd only get 1% of the vote if she wasn't a woman."

Yes, please show me the objective data that shows half of Trumps supporters are racists and bigots.

Theres the problem. Its a sweeping generalization and disrespects an entire voter base, who are americans.

Seriously its like something Trump would say

That's just one data point. I've got more receipts.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...bama-is-a-muslim-born-in-another-country.html

- 66% of Trump's supporters believe that Obama is a Muslim
- 61% think Obama was not born in the United States
- 63% want to amend the Constitution to eliminate birthright citizenship

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/GOPResults.pdf

- 66% in favor of a national Muslim database
- 45% in favor of shutting down all Mosques
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Can't believe anyone at this point can deny these are the kind of people trump has appealing to and who are themselves very vocal about it.

Exactly.

Trump:

Mexicans in the US are "rapists, murderers ,drug dealers"

Muslims "thousands cheered 9/11, they hate us"

All Blacks "live in poverty, their lives can't get much worse"

Has the CEO of Brietbart as his campaign manager, a former campaign manager who assaulted a female journalist, another with ties to anti American violence.



Clinton:

"Half of his support are deplorables"



Yet hers is the grand offense? Again being called racist is worse than being an actual one.

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This is no misstep; it's a deliberate move by the Clinton campaign to go on offense that's consistent with the sort of wedge-driving it's used in the past when it differentiated Trump from other Republicans. It's no secret what a lot of Trump supporters actually believe, and it's about time to shine a light on those beliefs because winning over that contingent or converting them to less bigoted views is out of the question.
 
Do you guys not see the problem with rationalizing this? So when Trump does the same shit and his base goes "of course theyre all just liberals who are/want ____, havent you seen your facebook feed of people wanting free college, calling trump supporters racists, and all that other hippy shit? What he said is absolutely correct."

...he hired a white nationalist to run his campaign. He has repeatedly retweeted "WhiteGenocideTM". Have you seen the footage of his rallies? Seen the interviews with supporters? Noticed the degree to which avowed white nationalists (like David Duke) somehow just keep popping up in relation to Trump's bid for the presidency?

I mean, I'm not sure what more it would take. Would Mike Pence have to get "1488" tattooed on his forehead?
 
Do you guys not see the problem with rationalizing this? So when Trump does the same shit and his base goes "of course theyre all just liberals who are/want ____, havent you seen your facebook feed of people wanting free college, calling trump supporters racists, and all that other hippy shit? What he said is absolutely correct."



How did I not answer your question? There is no objective, factual, mature, or professionally acceptable way to say that a huge group of people are only voting for Trump cuz theyre racists and bigots. Your problem is that you agree with the statement so you are unable to see the problem with saying it.

An entire voter base. A group of people.

You seem to be having some difficulties here, she didn't say ALL. She didn't say a voter base. She is talking about a subset of his supporters.

She is fucking correct, a solid portion of his supporters are exactly what she said they are. Is she wrong?
 
How did I not answer your question? There is no objective, factual, mature, or professionally acceptable way to say that a huge group of people are only voting for Trump cuz theyre racists and bigots. Your problem is that you agree with the statement so you are unable to see the problem with saying it.

An entire voter base. A group of people.

Okay, then let me phrase it this way:

Do you or do you not believe that Trump has a significant degree of support from white nationalists and the so-called "alt-right"?
 
He said "She'd only get 1% of the vote if she wasn't a woman."




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None of that has an objective correlation to racism or bigotry. Look im not saying there arent a bunch of racists and bigots supporting Trump, of course there are, obviously. David Duke and all his supporters. im saying how utterly retarded and unprofessional (unacceptable) it is for her to say that thats what they are.
 
If half are bigots then the other half must just be ignorant. Yet to find a Trump supporter I would classify as a good and intelligent person.
Don't forget the pessimistic trolls who only want a protest vote because Trump would shake up the system even though he's as pro-establishment as you can get.
 
None of that has an objective correlation to racism or bigotry. Look im not saying there arent a bunch of racists and bigots supporting Trump, of course there are, obviously. David Duke and all his supporters. im saying how utterly retarded and unprofessional (unacceptable) it is for her to say that thats what they are.

I find it comical that you are getting upset about her saying X, Y, Z. Then you say how utterly retarded and unacceptable it is. Good shit.

It isn't David Duke and his supporters, it is Trumps.
 
None of that has an objective correlation to racism or bigotry. Look im not saying there arent a bunch of racists and bigots supporting Trump, of course there are, obviously. David Duke and all his supporters. im saying how utterly retarded and unprofessional (unacceptable) it is for her to say that thats what they are.

Trump's platform is literally based on targeting minorities and doing bad things to them.

To say that the people, on whom we have evidence of racism, are voting for Trump for some other reason than his racist policies as they say racist things is asinine.
 
None of that has an objective correlation to racism or bigotry. Look im not saying there arent a bunch of racists and bigots supporting Trump, of course there are, obviously. David Duke and all his supporters. im saying how utterly retarded and unprofessional (unacceptable) it is for her to say that thats what they are.

So how would you classify people who want to close all mosques and have a Muslim registry? What about the ~20% that were ok with Slavery?
 
Exactly.

Trump:

Mexicans in the US are "rapists, murderers ,drug dealers"

Muslims "thousands cheered 9/11, they hate us"

All Blacks "live in poverty, their lives can't get much worse"

Has the CEO of Brietbart as his campaign manager, a former campaign manager who assaulted a female journalist, another with ties to anti American violence.



Clinton:

"Half of his support are deplorables"



Yet hers is the grand offense? Again being called racist is worse than being an actual one.

my take is that gaf skews more towards clinton supporters and people who already know trump is a big racist buffoon. so when the big racist buffoon does big racist buffoon things it's expected. no one expects better of trump because I'd reckon A) most people don't want him to win and B) the whole knowing he's a big racist buffoon thing. no one is holding trump to a high standard.

so basically clinton's statements and strategies may seem to get scrutinized more but that's because for a lot of people on here she's our candidate. she's the one we care about and she's the one we want to win. so it might seem like she's being put under a microscope in a way that trump isn't but that's only natural because we support her and not trump.

now I said it before but I don't think this is some huge gaffe that's going to cost her. I don't think this changes the narrative of the election in any meaningful way. I just thought that what she said was true but maybe not the best course of action. I know mine was not the quote you're responding to but I felt like throwing my $0.02 in the ring.
 
So how would you classify people who want to close all mosques and have a Muslim registry? What about the ~20% that were ok with Slavery?

Basically his/her issue is: Don't call out the supporters, call out Trump and his policies. The problem is why do you think Trump is pushing those policies? Newsflash, it is because that is what his supporters want.
 
If we're honestly at the point in American democracy where we can't call out actual fascists for fear of being rude or impolitic, then I think we're pretty much done.

Too bad Woodie Guthrie isn't still around. "This Machine Is Mildly Impolite to Fascists" would've made a catchy slogan for his guitar.
 
None of that has an objective correlation to racism or bigotry. Look im not saying there arent a bunch of racists and bigots supporting Trump, of course there are, obviously. David Duke and all his supporters. im saying how utterly retarded and unprofessional (unacceptable) it is for her to say that thats what they are.

I dunno, it kind of sounds like you're unwilling to accept something that's crystal fucking clear, and something many of us have had no trouble saying damn near since the beginning. If anything, she's been too kind to just how toxic Trump and his supporters have been this entire election season.
 
...he hired a white nationalist to run his campaign. He has repeatedly retweeted "WhiteGenocideTM". Have you seen the footage of his rallies? Seen the interviews with supporters? Noticed the degree to which avowed white nationalists (like David Duke) somehow just keep popping up in relation to Trump's bid for the presidency?

I mean, I'm not sure what more it would take. Would Mike Pence have to get "1488" tattooed on his forehead?

Ok so what does that have to do with saying Trumps supporters are racists and bigots?

You seem to be having some difficulties here, she didn't say ALL. She didn't say a voter base. She is talking about a subset of his supporters.

She is fucking correct, a solid portion of his supporters are exactly what she said they are. Is she wrong?

Im not having any difficulties. Youre hung up on technicalities because you agree with the statement and are trying to rationalize it. You think that because some percentage of Trump supporters can be safely assumed to be racist/bigot, that this statement is correct and acceptable. Neither is true.

She is not factually correct. She can presume. We can presume. Thats it. The same way Mitt Romney is not correct about liberals wanting handouts.

Okay, then let me phrase it this way:

Do you or do you not believe that Trump has a significant degree of support from white nationalists and the so-called "alt-right"?

Yes I do.

So?

First of all, if you want to get into it, I don't think anyone can say with 100% objective that 25% of voters are racist/bigots. That's just not something you can say.

Second of all, thats not my damn point, Im not sitting here arguing that trump supporters arent racists, im saying its totally unacceptable for her to say that, im saying that you guys shouldnt be rationalizing it, and I guess yeah im saying that we don't really know that for a fact too but thats not really my point

I dunno, it kind of sounds like you're unwilling to accept something that's crystal fucking clear, and something many of us have had no trouble saying damn near since the beginning. If anything, she's been too kind to just how toxic Trump and his supporters have been this entire election season.

Idk what to tell you, "its obvious and everyone knows this" does not really make me feel like im wrong.
 
What if Trump said all Hillary supporters are only voting for her cuz shes a woman?
This has already been said. On top of this a similar argument has been used to explain why minorities overwhelmingly vote for her.
 
Meanwhile leader figures among a segment of Trump's base hold a press conference in which they admit they're not sure what to do about "the Jewish question"
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...aders-we-aren-t-racist-we-just-hate-jews.html

The three Alt-Right leaders who gathered in D.C. this afternoon made two things very clear: They think white people are genetically predisposed to be more moral and intelligent than black people, and they do not want to share their envisioned utopian ethno-state with folks of the Jewish persuasion. There’s some disagreement in the Alt-Right on what they refer to as “the Jewish question.” But the big take-away was that Jews are suspicious.

Jared Taylor, who founded the white supremacist American Renaissance site, explained the Alt-Right as predicated entirely on the belief that some races are inherently superior to others—the movement, he said, is “in unanimity” in rejecting “the idea that the races are basically equivalent and interchangeable.” There are genetic differences in race that make some races more ethical and intelligent than others, he said. That’s what the Alt Right is all about.
“They also differ, as a matter of fact, in the patterns of the microbes that inhabit their mouths,” he said.
Thus, he continued, we shouldn’t expect black kids to do as well in school as white kids.
 
For a big chunk of Americans, accusations of racism are more offensive than actual racism.

That big chunk is basically the exact people she was calling racists and saying she could never hope to gain the support of.

So fuck it. Call them racists.
 
She ain't wrong. Even when Trump loses he still has done damage. I hope he is real proud of himself. Just listen to his supporters speak, they are dumber than Trump himself and more hateful.
 
So how would you classify people who want to close all mosques and have a Muslim registry? What about the ~20% that were ok with Slavery?
You are wasting your time. My advice is to move on. I've learned that "a lot" of racist will defend they are not tooth and nail, but are still racist as shit. They claim they want what's best for their interest and that's not racist, it's caring for America. SMH... The facts are, most Trump supporters are racist. She was nice to say half.

This is the problem, racist people don't want to be called out, they want to be closet racist. When you confront them with their bs, they get all defensive bc of the truth.

This goes for anyone that's afraid of the truth.

But Trump tells it like it is. The irony.
 
Yep, and we reject those attempts at rationalization.

It would be completely acceptable to describe a large chunk of voters as supporting Clinton because she wants to advance women's concerns in the political sphere

It is also completely accurate to describe a large chunk of voters as supporting Trump because he wants to advance the concerns of racists in the political sphere. Why is that one not acceptable to say?
 
funny thing about the "what if Trump said" examples--

--He did!

--You don't vote to be black, gay, Mexican, a woman, etc. Likewise you are not born thinking our first black president is an illegitimate Kenyan. This is a self-selected subset. Take yourself out of it if you feel offended.
 
I'm on board with thinking many Trump supporters are indeed deplorable and hold deplorable views. I think it's perfectly valid to think that.

I don't think there's a political gain from verbalizing it. To me is strikes me as similar to Romney's 47% comment, although with more vitriol. People, rightly, saw that his comment was going to hurt his campaign a bit. I doubt this particularly hurts Hillary, but it is more likely to have a slightly negative effect than a positive effect. The idea that attacking large groups of people will shame them to change seems unlikely to me. Most people get defensive or angry when they feel attacked rather than step back and examine themselves.

A better approach, I think, would be for Hillary to address these types of issues after the election as a way to try to reunify/heal.
 
First of all, if you want to get into it, I don't think anyone can say with 100% objective that 25% of voters are racist/bigots. That's just not something you can say.

Second of all, thats not my damn point, Im not sitting here arguing that trump supporters arent racists, im saying its totally unacceptable for her to say that, im saying that you guys shouldnt be rationalizing it, and I guess yeah im saying that we don't really know that for a fact too but thats not really my point
You keep on contradicting yourself. You agree that a significant percentage of Trump supporters are bigots, then you want objective facts that they are even when figures have been shown to you and now you're confused about how you qualify someone as objectively racist. All over the place.
 
I'm on board with thinking many Trump supporters are indeed deplorable and hold deplorable views. I think it's perfectly valid to think that.

I don't think there's a political gain from verbalizing it. To me is strikes me as similar to Romney's 47% comment, although with more vitriol. People, rightly, saw that his comment was going to hurt his campaign a bit. I doubt this particularly hurts Hillary, but it is more likely to have a slightly negative effect than a positive effect. The idea that attacking large groups of people will shame them to change seems unlikely to me. Most people get defensive or angry when they feel attacked rather than step back and examine themselves.

A better approach, I think, would be for Hillary to address these types of issues after the election as a way to try to reunify/heal.

Its not about shaming them to change. Its about pointing at them to as many people as possible and saying "hey, that's the company you're keeping. Do you really want to be that?"
 
Im not having any difficulties. Youre hung up on technicalities because you agree with the statement and are trying to rationalize it. You think that because some percentage of Trump supporters can be safely assumed to be racist/bigot, that this statement is correct and acceptable. Neither is true.

She is not factually correct. She can presume. We can presume. Thats it. The same way Mitt Romney is not correct about liberals wanting handouts.

You are damn right, I am hung up on a technical detail, because it completely and utterly alters the statement.

They can be safely assumed to be racist/bigoted because of the views, polling data, things they say.

I have zero issue with a statement that says a % of your supporters are racist, bigoted, xenophobic. I have encountered plenty of this from her supporters personally.
 
Second of all, thats not my damn point, Im not sitting here arguing that trump supporters arent racists, im saying its totally unacceptable for her to say that, im saying that you guys shouldnt be rationalizing it, and I guess yeah im saying that we don't really know that for a fact too but thats not really my point

I disagree. Strongly.

One of the reasons that racism thrives in this day and age is because it is passed off as something else. You hear it literally every time a black person gets shot. When it's brought up, that's when Fox news digs up that person's history, or tries to argue that the footage shown can be possibly interpreted as them being aggressive or whatever. They take any excuse, however implausible, to say "No, this was about the individual."

So fuck no. Call out Trump and his vile support for what it fucking is. We've seen enough of it to know it's there, that it is the primary drive of his support. It's his policies, it's the people he hires, it's the support he gains, it's fucking Trump himself....it's everywhere.

Call it the fuck out. Worst case scenerio, people who weren't going to vote for her will still not vote for her. But I think it's more likely that moderates are going to swing to her because of this, because now they have to seriously consider whether they want to deal with having to defend themselves from being racist, or whether they even can. I don't see many people going "How dare she call this faction racist? I'm going to vote for it just out of protest!"
 
double standard is us being fucking livid when Mitt Romney says "50% of americans just want handouts" but when our girl says "Trump supporters are racists" we're like well shes telling it like it is!
Three things.

1. She did not say all Trump supporters.

2. You are comparing Romney's remark based on the right's stereotype of the left with the fact based and completely accurate labeling of many of Trump supporters by Clinton. The two are not equatable. It's odd that you can't recognize this.

3. "We're like..." There is no we. Many people who support Clinton in this thread have expressed displeasure with her comments so please stop speaking of GAF as a collective. You're doing so in an attempt to show hypocrisy but that you have to rely on mischaracterization should make you realize your point isn't a very sturdy one.


Edit: Aaaand you got yourself banned by the time I'd finished writing this. Zu schade~.
 
Its not about shaming them to change. Its about pointing at them to as many people as possible and saying "hey, that's the company you're keeping. Do you really want to be that?"

Yep. Trump's whole "minority outreach" isn't about minorities. It's about white people afraid to be affiliated with a visible racist. She is bringing out the fact that these racist parts never went away, they are not only there but they are driving his support.
 
You don't think its disrespectful to relegate a voter base to racists and bigots?

The sad truth is that this is an election where this may actually be closer to the reality of things.

I mean, there is a reason why Trump is at a record low with almost every single minority in the country at this point.
 
Its not about shaming them to change. Its about pointing at them to as many people as possible and saying "hey, that's the company you're keeping. Do you really want to be that?"

Yes. I worded that poorly, but I don't think it is a winning strategy for her. The chance of it backfiring is higher than the chance of it working. That type of risk would make sense if she were down, but she's comfortably ahead and the debates (where she should be able to comfortably eviscerate Trump in front of the logical/reachable electorate) is the only real game changer coming up.
 
Its not about shaming them to change. Its about pointing at them to as many people as possible and saying "hey, that's the company you're keeping. Do you really want to be that?"

honestly I think you can get this message across just by going after trump and what kind of person/candidate he is. maybe throw in a rhetorical question or something like "and when trump is saying all that bullshit what kind of support do you think that garners?"

make the same point but in a more subtle way

she's on the money, there's no denying that, I just think she could keep her sights on trump and make the same point. let her supporters and maybe even some of the people stumping for her connect the dots more explicitly.
 
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