CM Punk tells all about walking out of WWE (podcast)

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Indrid Cold1 said:
Anyone else not shocked that it was Kofi fucking Kingston who more or less cost us CM Punk. This careless buffoon hands out more potatoes than the state of Idaho with his flippy dippy bullshit and about the only thing we have to be thankful to Randy Orton for, is squashing his upper mid card - main event push from a few years back. To quote the man himself, "Stupid, stupid, STUPID!".
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In retrospect, Kofi probably helped save his life
 
Ithil said:
Let's be clear, the guy who cost us Punk is Vince.
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Absolutely. But it wasn't just one thing. It's a series of awful, awful business management decisions that completely fall under his remit.

This company needs a new chairman. Vince can stay as CEO but there needs to be more accountability.
 
Indrid Cold1 said:
Anyone else not shocked that it was Kofi fucking Kingston who more or less cost us CM Punk. This careless buffoon hands out more potatoes than the state of Idaho with his flippy dippy bullshit and about the only thing we have to be thankful to Randy Orton for, is squashing his upper mid card - main event push from a few years back. To quote the man himself, "Stupid, stupid, STUPID!".
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Just look at him.
 
iMax said:
Absolutely. But it wasn't just one thing. It's a series of awful, awful business management decisions that completely fall under his remit.

This company needs a new chairman. Vince can stay as CEO but there needs to be more accountability.
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One of the main things it comes down to is that the business is set up in such a way that unionizing wouldn't be viable.
 
DoktorEvil said:
One of the main things it comes down to is that the business is set up in such a way that unionizing wouldn't be viable.
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Well it does if all the major players do it, which is how unions generally get traction in the first place.

If Cena, Orton, Rollins, Reigns, Ambrose, Wyatt, and Bryan all form a union, what's Vince gonna do? Fire them? Doubt it.
 
I watched a little of the 2014 Royal Rumble. You can't see the lump on Punk's lower back, but Kingston's jumping clothesline looks incredibly stupid and unsafe when you know Punk gets a concussion from it.

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Part of it is Punk turns around way too late. They're supposed to be good friends in real life though.
 
Would anybody else other than me pay 9.99$ to see HHH's face when Punk pointed at him and said

"I don't need to wrestle you, YOU need to wrestle me, also fuck you for burying me in 2011"

?
 
Rapstah said:
I watched a little of the 2014 Royal Rumble. You can't see the lump on Punk's lower back, but Kingston's jumping clothesline looks incredibly stupid and unsafe when you know Punk gets a concussion from it.

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Part of it is Punk turns around way too late. They're supposed to be good friends in real life though.
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could of swore him and kofi were together frequently as he slept on CM PUNK tour bus since they traveled together.
 
Rapstah said:
I watched a little of the 2014 Royal Rumble. You can't see the lump on Punk's lower back, but Kingston's jumping clothesline looks incredibly stupid and unsafe when you know Punk gets a concussion from it.

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Part of it is Punk turns around way too late. They're supposed to be good friends in real life though.
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They are, and Punk says he's not mad at Kofi for it in the podcast. It just happened. It's what happened afterwards that was a problem, which had nothing to do with Kofi.
 
Rapstah said:
I watched a little of the 2014 Royal Rumble. You can't see the lump on Punk's lower back, but Kingston's jumping clothesline looks incredibly stupid and unsafe when you know Punk gets a concussion from it.

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Part of it is Punk turns around way too late. They're supposed to be good friends in real life though.
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in fairness that's a pretty badass way to enter a rumble match
 
iMax said:
Well it does if all the major players do it, which is how unions generally get traction in the first place.

If Cena, Orton, Rollins, Reigns, Ambrose, Wyatt, and Bryan all form a union, what's Vince gonna do? Fire them? Doubt it.
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NXT exists so I'd think Vince/HHH would.

The way that the wrestlers are paid IIRC is as independent contractors and via merch royalties and a flat salary, and from what I know with that, IC's are responsible for their own insurance. I'd think insuring a wrestler would be very costly.
 
To me its so weird how much of a fan me and my brother were during the Attitude era. Got all the N64 wrestling games, watched RAW and Smackdown every week. I have very fond memories of wrestling during those times. Trying to come back has been impossible. The personalities and storylines are somehow more trashy than the ones during the Attitude era, where the spectacle comes from melodrama generated from "realistic" characters.

During the Attitude era it was about the spectacle surrounding over the top characters and situations. The Attitude era was trashy, but endlessly entertaining and endearing, there was nothing like it on television. There was no need to wait for specific wrestlers or characters, the entire package was worth experiencing.

Nowadays it seems wrestling revolves around pushing new characters that don't have redeeming features and then bringing out dinosaurs or relics in a attempt to bring casual and old fans back.
 
BobbyRoberts said:
I'm not entirely certain if Colt Cabana's got a different deal with his podcast than most who have monetized it - but you don't get more money if more people download a specific episode more than the others. His ads that he's running are likely ads he's already been paid for, and that money's likely been agreed upon based on both his name recognition and whatever download numbers he used to prove to them he's got reach.

But I doubt getting high downloads on this one podcast is going to get him "paid" as a response.
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He's gonna make bank off of his sponsors going forwards - since his next show is another Punk show that'll do gangbusters, he can charge a fuckton more.

I should know I contacted him about advertising in the past :( that motherfucker.
 
If the end result of this is that the doctor gets fired and nothing else changes then that's bad. Yes, he was stupid and negligent, but pretty obviously because the company expected it out of him.
 
DoktorEvil said:
NXT exists so I'd think Vince/HHH would.

The way that the wrestlers are paid IIRC is as independent contractors and via merch royalties and a flat salary, and from what I know with that, IC's are responsible for their own insurance. I'd think insuring a wrestler would be very costly.
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No chance. Hell, Cena could start his own one-man union and they'd still let him.
 
GaimeGuy said:
How do you miss the fucking table
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Look how far back he's standing before the throw. I wondered if Ryback was a dangerous worker, because he looks sloppy as hell, and his conditioning was awful at the start. Gassing on power moves is a recipe for injury.

Anyways I can't listen to the podcast. Is there a transcript on the website? I'd love to read it. Also, firing someone on their wedding day is incredibly cruel. This isn't some random low level employee upper management doesn't know either. They knew he was getting married. They did it out of spite. That's simply not right. But I'm glad he got out and I hope he can enjoy life and health the rest of the way. He's talented enough he can find on air work in another field. PEACE.
 
If you think about how much money Ryback has cost the company for those two months he put out Cena and for whatever part he had in Punk leaving, it's hilarious he was being considered for a push until a week ago.
 
Vince McMahon said:
He's gonna make bank off of his sponsors going forwards - since his next show is another Punk show that'll do gangbusters, he can charge a fuckton more.

I should know I contacted him about advertising in the past :( that motherfucker.
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He might. Or they might realize that these numbers are an anomaly and not give him the ad rate he's asking for. Or he might simply be locked into those sponsorship deals he's already got and he has to wait til they run out. Again - I don't really know exactly how the man's monetized his show. But a lot of people who put ads on podcasts tend to do it on an "I'll pay you upfront, and then you have to run my stuff until such and such date or such and such clickthru number is met"

If anything, depending on how he distributes this thing - Punk being on his show might actually be costing him money. Bandwidth overages with some providers can be a real motherfucker.
 
Rapstah said:
If you think about how much money Ryback has cost the company for those two months he put out Cena and for whatever part he had in Punk leaving, it's hilarious he was being considered for a push until a week ago.
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and oddly enough it was this man who exposed how bad he is in the ring.

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Masquerader said:
Scarily true. Honestly, maybe I'm being paranoid, but I'd really hate for history to repeat itself. I actually feel sort of sorry for Cena. No matter what your opinion of him is, or whatever his motives are, he's trapped on so many fronts that it'd be career suicide if he tried to change any aspect of them. So he'll just have to go with the flow. Still though, like him or not, Cena seems to put a good amount of effort in a lot of the time. He's going to get hurt... Badly.

Still, WWE being fucked if he goes... Doesn't sound too bad to me, in my opinion. I'm sorry to say that while its talent doesn't deserve losing their jobs, it'd probably be best for the industry in the long run.
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I hate Cena the character, but respect Cena the man and worker. He works his ass off, love him or hate him. He's had a lot of injuries already, performs through many of them, and his body is clearly ballooned on steroids. I'm curious to see how hr ages. Maybe he doesn't party like most other wrestlers and it'll keep his condition from falling off a cliff. PEACE.
 
Remember when Triple H nervously stammered out "How was ... how was your movie by the way?".

There's like a while new dimension to that I'm seeing now.
 
iMax said:
I love Punk but I really doubt he said that.
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That was the day he was mad enough and fed up enough to quit. Why wouldn't you think he said that?

Pimpwerx said:
Look how far back he's standing before the throw. I wondered if Ryback was a dangerous worker, because he looks sloppy as hell, and his conditioning was awful at the start. Gassing on power moves is a recipe for injury.

Anyways I can't listen to the podcast. Is there a transcript on the website? I'd love to read it. Also, firing someone on their wedding day is incredibly cruel. This isn't some random low level employee upper management doesn't know either. They knew he was getting married. They did it out of spite. That's simply not right. But I'm glad he got out and I hope he can enjoy life and health the rest of the way. He's talented enough he can find on air work in another field. PEACE.
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This is the best part. This is what he says he said to HHH and Vince the night he walked out.

"I looked Vince in the eye and I said, 'I do not love this anymore. I'm f----- sick, I'm f------ hurt, I'm f------ confused, I don't know as a business what we're doing anymore. Every day you tell me it's a team effort, but every day it's an individual effort by me to find what's necessary to even f-n come here. It's not fun. I have zero passion for this. I'm concussed, I'm hurt, and alls you care about is what segment I'm in and how soon I can get my gear on and how soon I can pee in this cup and I don't want to do it anymore.'

"I mentioned something about the piss test and Hunter said, 'Well, you know, Dave (Batista) just took the same piss test you did.' And I just looked at Hunter and went, 'Well, did you?' And he had nothing to say. I said (to McMahon), 'Look, I thought when I re-signed three years ago I told you if I couldn't be all that I said I could be, you could f----- fire me. And, if I was a fraud and anything less and fell short of the f------ mark - I said, 'I sold more shirts than John Cena until I turned heel for you. You said you owed me one. I worked guys that were dangerous and you said you owed me one. I did all these things and alls I wanted was the main event of WrestleMania. And it's fine if you don't think that is me and I'm not the caliber of that Superstar, but then you need to f------ fire me. Because I do not want to be here and I do not want to be anything else.' And then I will go somewhere else and get over because I can.

"You have shackled me, you have creatively stifled me, you have made this a very toxic environment, I no longer want to be here. It boggles my mind how Daniel Bryan has not figured into your plans to be in the main event of WrestleMania because this is his year. Just like two years ago when it was my year and I was white f----- hot, just like he is now, and what did you do? You fed me to this guy.' And I pointed to right at Hunter. Vince was like, 'This is the concussion talking. I can't believe you're saying any of this. It is a main event - you're wrestling Triple H."

"I politely turned to Hunter and I said, 'With all due respect, I do not need to wrestle you. You need to wrestle me. I do not want to wrestle you. I seriously resent you for not putting me over three years ago when you should have. That would have been best for business. But, you had to come in and squash it. And then I had to lose to Truth and Miz. It didn't make any business sense and now I'm in the position where I can tell you I don't have to nor do I want to wrestle you at WrestleMania. I don't care if I was supposed to win - which I was - I didn't want to give him the f------ privilege.

"I said a lot of s--- in there. I told them again - and Hunter was gritting his teeth, and he never liked me. Me and him in a room together - it was always negative vibes."

"Hunter told me I was in the main event because I wrestled The Undertaker," Punk continued. "I turned to him and said, 'Tell me I got paid the same amount of money as you, Brock, Cena, Rock, or whoever.' And once again, he had nothing to say. I was like, 'I'm out of here.' Vince, with tears in his eyes, went in for a hug, and it was like a reluctant patting on the back, then I looked at Hunter and he stuck his hand out and I shook his hand. I said, 'Goodbye,' and I walked out."
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