CM Punk tells all about walking out of WWE (podcast)

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The writing thing was to remind the Rock what points to hit and not to go off book on the protecting Cena thing. Cena being a dick and knowing he can't hang with Rock pointed it out and ran with it.

Rock was probably legitimately upset. Inside he's like "Motherfucker this shit is to protect your candy ass, Vinny Mac begged me to take it easy on you"
 
lol

rock is always on his game when he has people worth getting on level with

his segment with rhode scholars on smack down lol


and lmao @ zack ryder burial talk

i remember when foley said "zack came up to me and asked 'what do I do?' I said, 'have you talked to vince?' and he just shook his head."

remember that in this podcast punk references guys that are too scared to lose the dream job to speak up or anything? basically the thing cena has been saying for years? yeah, ryder is totally one of those guys
 
Killing_Joke said:
Ryder was/is fucking terrible. He had a funny youtube channel, according to marks that means he should be champ a month later. Did he have the greatest push? Probably not, but he sucks. D+ player at best.

Punk is asshole but a liar he is not (imo at least). The only parts I found whiny is the WM main event. Punk/Jericho does not deserve to go after Rock/Cena 1 and Punk/Randy was not the MOTN at WM27(should have been Cena/Punk though but then again Miz took a massive burial). I don't know why he would rather pick a 5min loss in the main even then versing Taker, but i'm glad he didn't. Now a days going on last doesn't really mean much. Having the best/most talked about match is far better imo. The crowd is usually dead after sitting down for 4+ hours. But whatever he even admits it's a whiny thing to cry about

Ryback being an unsafe dumb fuck isn't a surprise, Vince being out of touch/clueless isn't a surprise, H being following Vince's bully asshole tactics isn't a surprise, and WWE's medical staff/producers/Vince/H thinking about money more than the wrestlers well being isn't a surprise. Almost all of this is well documented for years before this podcast. It just sucks hearing Punk was pushed to quit rather than him just being a bitter prick like most thought.

The only surprise was Punk might have came back if Vince shown some actual compassion about his health. No apology, no what can we do to heal you, just "are you ready to work?". Fucking hell. As evil as i heard Vince could be, that's just downright sick. Your practically wishing for someone to die in your ring again.
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I don't think Punk's issue was that Punk/Jericho should have gone ahead of those matches, it's the idea that you are constantly giving Main Event status to part timers, to guys who 'aren't gonna be here Monday'. That is "bad for business" in the long run, and bad for the guys like Punk that ARE gonna be there every week, not only for their characters but also their wallets. Punk's main point I think wasn't "Me and Jericho should be themain event" it's "I'm the hottest thing you have going right now why am I taking a backseat to actors and MMA fighters?"
 
funkystudent said:
People spotted Rock had stuff written on his hand the week before. It was going around.

Seemed super set up.

Also Rock can turn on his acting face when he needs to. Look at that time the Shield beat him up.



Oh and it would be a bummer if WWE put Cabana on the No business list. Its one of the few outlets that makes the wrestlers seem like real people.
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Rock was legit shook.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
I don't think Punk's issue was that Punk/Jericho should have gone ahead of those matches, it's the idea that you are constantly giving Main Event status to part timers, to guys who 'aren't gonna be here Monday'. That is "bad for business" in the long run, and bad for the guys like Punk that ARE gonna be there every week, not only for their characters but also their wallets. Punk's main point I think wasn't "Me and Jericho should be themain event" it's "I'm the hottest thing you have going right now why am I taking a backseat to actors and MMA fighters?"
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I think it's a little bit of both.

The majority PPVs that Punk was champ was main-evented by someone else. Cena was basically the uncrowned champion and it showed.

Survivor Series 2011 - CM Punk defeated Alberto Del Rio (c) by submission (Not Main Event)
TLC 2011 - CM Punk (c) defeated The Miz and Alberto Del Rio (with Ricardo Rodriguez) (Main Event, Cena not on Card)
RR 2012 - CM Punk (c) defeated Dolph Ziggler (Match before RR)
Elimination Chamber 2012 - CM Punk (c) defeated The Miz, Chris Jericho, Kofi Kingston, Dolph Ziggler (with Vickie Guerrero) and R-Truth (2nd of 6)
WM 29 - CM Punk (c) defeated Chris Jericho by submission (Not Main Event)
Extreme Rules 2012 - CM Punk (c) defeated Chris Jericho (7th of 9)
Over the Limit 2012 - CM Punk (c) defeated Daniel Bryan (8th of 10)
No Way Out 2012 - CM Punk (c) defeated Daniel Bryan and Kane (8th of 10)
MitB 2012 - CM Punk (c) defeated Daniel Bryan (5th of 8)
Summerslam 2012 - CM Punk (c) defeated John Cena and Big Show (7th of 8)
NoC 2012 - CM Punk (c) (with Paul Heyman) vs. John Cena ended in a draw (Main Event)
HiaC 2012 - CM Punk (c) defeated Ryback (Main Event, Cena not on Card)
Survivor Series 2012 - CM Punk (c) (with Paul Heyman) defeated John Cena and Ryback (Main Event)
TLC 2012 - CM Punk injured.
RR 2012 - The Rock defeated CM Punk (c) (with Paul Heyman) (Main Event)

Maybe one or two legit main events in the year + he had the belt.
 
Rapstah said:
Wrestling Observer and Figure Four Daily's Bryan Alvarez did a 15-minute or so audio update about the reactions in WWE. It's free, and you can listen to it here. It's just Alvarez, and because it's a free show he obviously advertises his site.

Basic bullet points:
  • Both Punk's detractors and people who like Punk are generally happy with him bringing up the topics he brought up.
  • Vince isn't that mad, but upset.
  • Triple H is really mad.
  • Colt Cabana is on the no-call list.
There's some more stuff in there, so listen to it. Alvarez is legit.
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Triple H needs a chill pill.
 
Pavaloo said:
and lmao @ zack ryder burial talk

i remember when foley said "zack came up to me and asked 'what do I do?' I said, 'have you talked to vince?' and he just shook his head."

remember that in this podcast punk references guys that are too scared to lose the dream job to speak up or anything? basically the thing cena has been saying for years? yeah, ryder is totally one of those guys
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didn't he say basically it was only cena, himself and sometimes randy that would speak up to vince?

I don't think it's as easy as just walking into Vince's office and saying HEY STOP BURYING ME HERE'S SOME GREAT IDEAS FOR FIXING MY CHARACTER. they don't want to fucking hear that shit from anyone but cena, clearly.
 
Rapstah said:
Wrestling Observer and Figure Four Daily's Bryan Alvarez did a 15-minute or so audio update about the reactions in WWE. It's free, and you can listen to it here. It's just Alvarez, and because it's a free show he obviously advertises his site.

Basic bullet points:
  • Both Punk's detractors and people who like Punk are generally happy with him bringing up the topics he brought up.
  • Vince isn't that mad, but upset.
  • Triple H is really mad.
    [*]Colt Cabana is on the no-call list.
There's some more stuff in there, so listen to it. Alvarez is legit.
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lol yeah I'm sure Colt was eagerly waiting by his phone day in and day out for a call from WWE.
 
Bowser said:
lol yeah I'm sure Colt was eagerly waiting by his phone day in and day out for a call from WWE.
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Wrestlers weren't even allowed to go on his podcast. I'm sure Triple H felt really good when he opened nocall.txt on the office computer and added "Colt Cabana ~ The Game" to the end of it, though.
 
Dark Ninja said:
Pass up on the biggest wrestling interview in a while? probably not. Plus Colt can probably eat this month with the amount of hits this interview got.
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Yeah but what about next month? I'm not sure that it was a good move long term to burn that bridge. Hopefully he can find a way to retain all of the new listeners that are tuning in.

I know I think he said Punk was coming on again next show, but you get the general idea.
 
JMDSO said:
I think it's a little bit of both.

The majority PPVs that Punk was champ was main-evented by someone else. Cena was basically the uncrowned champion and it showed.

Survivor Series 2011 - CM Punk defeated Alberto Del Rio (c) by submission (Not Main Event)
TLC 2011 - CM Punk (c) defeated The Miz and Alberto Del Rio (with Ricardo Rodriguez) (Main Event, Cena not on Card)
RR 2012 - CM Punk (c) defeated Dolph Ziggler (Match before RR)
Elimination Chamber 2012 - CM Punk (c) defeated The Miz, Chris Jericho, Kofi Kingston, Dolph Ziggler (with Vickie Guerrero) and R-Truth (2nd of 6)
WM 29 - CM Punk (c) defeated Chris Jericho by submission (Not Main Event)
Extreme Rules 2012 - CM Punk (c) defeated Chris Jericho (7th of 9)
Over the Limit 2012 - CM Punk (c) defeated Daniel Bryan (8th of 10)
No Way Out 2012 - CM Punk (c) defeated Daniel Bryan and Kane (8th of 10)
MitB 2012 - CM Punk (c) defeated Daniel Bryan (5th of 8)
Summerslam 2012 - CM Punk (c) defeated John Cena and Big Show (7th of 8)
NoC 2012 - CM Punk (c) (with Paul Heyman) vs. John Cena ended in a draw (Main Event)
HiaC 2012 - CM Punk (c) defeated Ryback (Main Event, Cena not on Card)
Survivor Series 2012 - CM Punk (c) (with Paul Heyman) defeated John Cena and Ryback (Main Event)
TLC 2012 - CM Punk injured.
RR 2012 - The Rock defeated CM Punk (c) (with Paul Heyman) (Main Event)

Maybe one or two legit main events in the year + he had the belt.
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Yeah the fact that he will go down as having the title for 400 some odd days in a row but never really main evented a Wrestlemania says a lot. Even if you put Punk's seeming obsession with it aside, what does it say about how you are managing your product? The champ is supposed to be the top draw.
 
You guys acting like Colt was completely starving before this interview. He was doing quite alright for himself for someone that isn't in any of the major pro wrestling companies.
 
Rapstah said:
Wrestling Observer and Figure Four Daily's Bryan Alvarez did a 15-minute or so audio update about the reactions in WWE. It's free, and you can listen to it here. It's just Alvarez, and because it's a free show he obviously advertises his site.

Basic bullet points:
  • Both Punk's detractors and people who like Punk are generally happy with him bringing up the topics he brought up.
  • Vince isn't that mad, but upset.
  • Triple H is really mad.
  • Colt Cabana is on the no-call list.
There's some more stuff in there, so listen to it. Alvarez is legit.
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Slight understatement. Apparently he "wants to kill Punk".

:O

Oh, and HHH and Steph "hate Punk" and he's on the no-call too, like that even matters.
 
Does anybody know where the HHH and Steph hate for Punk began? Did anything happen between them?

It seems like Vince doesn't mind being challenged while HHH is way "more way or the hard way".
 
kiguel182 said:
Does anybody know where the HHH and Steph hate for Punk began? Did anything happen between them?

It seems like Vince doesn't mind being challenged while HHH is way "more way or the hard way".
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I don't remember hearing anything about it before Punk left, but Stephanie was really mad at him for leaving. It's why she's always the one to one-up the crowd when they chant his name.
 
kiguel182 said:
Does anybody know where the HHH and Steph hate for Punk began? Did anything happen between them?

It seems like Vince doesn't mind being challenged while HHH is way "more way or the hard way".
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I have no idea but it does seem like WWE tends to resent guys that don't get big by doing things "their way". They have an idea of who should be on top, who should be the biggest draws, the best heels, ect.... and when someone breaks away from that and breaks through their glass ceiling on their own it seems to piss them off. It seems like a really terrible way to run a business, but the WWE seems like a really terrible business so it makes sense.
 
I'm surprised Punk didn't mention being pissed he had to job to The Rock not once, but twice. Letting Punk win at the Rumble would have been huge. They likely already had the rematch scheduled for the next PPV anyways. Letting him get one win over The Rock would have then made the match against Taker feel even more like a big time match.

Instead, Punk jobs on three straight PPVs.
 
Rapstah said:
I don't remember hearing anything about it before Punk left, but Stephanie was really mad at him for leaving. It's why she's always the one to one-up the crowd when they chant his name.
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The way Alvarez talks it seems they already hated him before that. Maybe it was just HHH and Steph was only when he left.
 
HeisenbergLannister said:
I'm surprised Punk didn't mention being pissed he had to job to The Rock not once, but twice. Letting Punk win at the Rumble would have been huge. They likely already had the rematch scheduled for the next PPV anyways. Letting him get one win over The Rock would have then made the match against Taker feel even more like a big time match.

Instead, Punk jobs on three straight PPVs.
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He says he didn't know he was facing Rock at Elimination Chamber when he had the Rumble match, for what it's worth. It's Rock, so I'm assuming it was booked, though.

kiguel182 said:
The way Alvarez talks it seems they already hated him before that. Maybe it was just HHH and Steph was only when he left.
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That sounds reasonable.
 
Jazzy Network said:
I don't understand why Vince is so hard headed and not just give Punk his WM Main Event.
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Punk would have probably retired for sure if he had main evented Mania two years ago. He would have nothing left to do. Vince needs guys to work as long as possible. Vince is a master manipulator, hes out of touch but he's not stupid. He probably does believe that Cena vs Rock would draw more money which he is probably right but to build new megastars you have to let these guys main event and go over on the big stage.
 
Jazzy Network said:
I don't understand why Vince is so hard headed and not just give Punk his WM Main Event.
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he doesn't see punk as a draw compared to cena and the part timers.

his hand was forced with daniel bryan because the crowd was shitting on literally every show up to that point. EVERYONE shit on that royal rumble finish from earlier this year. it was making mainstream news (for some reason).
 
Jazzy Network said:
I don't understand why Vince is so hard headed and not just give Punk his WM Main Event.
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He's desperate to save his company (and the Network) and thinks guys like Rock, Batista and Brock are the way to do that. He's short sighted and out of touch. He really believes that giving the ME and spotlight to a super over guy who has a ton of weird tattoes and not the best defined body in the world is worse for business than giving the ME to an old as fuck former actor who looks like Mr. Universe.
 
Jazzy Network said:
I don't understand why Vince is so hard headed and not just give Punk his WM Main Event.
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Because he is old and got lucky in the Attitude era by having people around him (Russo, Chris Kreski, the insane roster) who were able to tap into things for him that he was missing, and once those people left he and others took greater command (see: the product immediately turning to shit when Steph took over Creative after Kreski departed) and had no idea what to do with it. Throughout the later '00s/early '10s Vince kept trying to return to '80s style booking in a lot of ways and it was a disaster.
 
Aiii said:
How do you blacklist someone who already blacklisted you and gives no fucks about working for you?
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It makes for such a great visual. Triple H is sitting in his office and it's all tinted green. He gives the order on the phone to blacklist Punk and as he slams the phone down, the first chord from The Game plays.
 
Hasney said:
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Are those actual in game models?
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Yeah the fact that he will go down as having the title for 400 some odd days in a row but never really main evented a Wrestlemania says a lot. Even if you put Punk's seeming obsession with it aside, what does it say about how you are managing your product? The champ is supposed to be the top draw.
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It goes back to the Hogan Era. Hogan and Sid main evented Mania 8 while Savage and Flair were roughly in the middle portion of the show. The story for Savage and Flair was absolutely damn awesome, too, and had lots of face/heel tactics going around for it. The Sid and Hogan feud brewed when Sid, rightfully so, eliminated Hogan during the Rumble. Then an-already eliminated Hogan tugs on Sid's arm to get him gone. They did something similar at Wembley a few years later with Bret-Bulldog main eventing SummerSlam over the IC title. It made perfect sense there, at least to me.

I think moreso over everything else, you go with your biggest draw, your biggest story. To me, you don't have Triple H and Chris Jericho main event at Wrestlemania 18 when you have two of the biggest stars of all-time colliding one on one for the first time ever. It backfired because no one gave a shit for the main event.

Anth0ny said:
Main Event: John Laurinaitis defeated John Cena
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You go through his feuds there and his most well known feud is with Jericho, but he was going no where in that one because of Rock and, once again, Brock Lesnar's return match at ER. Daniel Bryan was a midcarder at the time so it's always tough to say why they should've gone ahead with that. It simply isn't that huge of a feud. The story also sucked each and every week, so that probably didn't help it.
 
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