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[El Topo]

Hillary used a private email server to send and receive emails to people who were approved to send and receive such emails, a few of which are being researched whether to grade them classified or not. Her predecessors did the same thing. Scott Walker has a private email server too. This is a witch hunt by the opposition and they've sunk to new depths with the Petraeus comparison.

Haven't really followed the case, but from what I read in German newspapers, (they seem to think that) the actual issue seems to be how she handled the case/accusations, not necessarly whether she actually used the private account for classified information?

That said, I find it weird to handle business via a private e-mail. Seems like an absolute no-go (no matter the classification) to me. I think there's even some notes about that in our code of conduct. No idea how common that is for government officials (in the US or my country) though. That said, whatever she did is obviously not comparable in any way to what Petraeus did.

 

[Joey Fox]

That said, I find it weird to handle business via a private e-mail. Seems like an absolute no-go (no matter the classification) to me. I think there's even some notes about that in our code of conduct. No idea how common that is for government officials (in the US or my country) though. That said, whatever she did is obviously not comparable in any way to what Petraeus did.

It is worse than what Petraeus did if you understand IT security. Having classified emails on an unsecured email server is like giving classified information to our enemies. Intent or not, it's negligent and reckless. Don't care about legality, though she may well have done something illegal.

 

[Tarkus]

It is worse than what Petraeus did if you understand IT security. Having classified emails on an unsecured email server is like giving classified information to our enemies. Intent or not, it's negligent and reckless. Don't care about legality, though she may well have done something illegal.

It's illegal; in fact it's a felony.

 

[Tarkus]

It is worse than what Petraeus did if you understand IT security. Having classified emails on an unsecured email server is like giving classified information to our enemies. Intent or not, it's negligent and reckless. Don't care about legality, though she may well have done something illegal.

It's illegal; in fact it's a felony.

"The inspector general for the 17 spy agencies that make up what is known as the intelligence community told Congress that two of 40 emails in a random sample of the 30,000 emails Clinton gave the State Department for review contained information deemed "Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information," one of the government's highest levels of classification."

The Hillary Defense Squad can spin it however they want, but the facts are right there.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Why? David Patraeus was prosecuted and charged with the exact same thing: mishandling classified information.

Unless one has a time machine they cannot twixt the years of 2009 and 2013 mishandle information retroactively marked classified in 2015.

Why are minorities not likely to be into Bernie?

This is specifically regarding black voters, and somewhat outdated, but a survey done at Colombia found that black voters place a higher importance on electability in general elections, and "giving minorities a voice in the nomination process."

 

[Tarkus]

Unless one has a time machine they cannot twixt the years of 2009 and 2013 mishandle information retroactively marked classified in 2015.

Did we get new mods or something? What is this?

 

[samn]

Isn't she arguing the emails didn't become classified until after they had been sent?

 

[Neoweee]

nm

 

[Tarkus]

Isn't she arguing the emails didn't become classified until after they had been sent?

Yes. She's also saying emails containing satellite images of high-value targets and drone info were not classified. Yeah right Hills. There are fears that she had people scrub the classified label of the documents. We will see how it develops.

 

[Dude Abides]

Did we get new mods or something? What is this?

What it is is someone correcting your BS.

The Clinton attack force can spin it however they want but the facts are right there

Yes. She's also saying emails containing satellite images of high-value targets and drone info were not classified. Yeah right Hills. There are fears that she had people scrub the classified label of the documents. We will see how it develops.

You mean "yeah right Jack Kirby" doncha? Is "there are fears" the new "some say"?

 

[dramatis]

Did we get new mods or something? What is this?

shinra's been a mod for a while. If that's your attack vector though, doesn't that mean you don't have a solid answer for his point? That it is impossible for a person to break the law if the circumstance for breaking the law has only been generated two years after the act? We're not even time traveling yet, the logic isn't convoluted.

There's no question that network security is important. But if the State department decides two years after you sent an email about the gift you're getting for the emperor of Japan that that information should be classified, you're not a felon, because at the time you sent the email, it was not classified information.

 

[Downhome]

Trump just spoke in Iowa. One highlight was that someone offered him 5 million dollars, but he turned it down. He went on to say that he would spend 1 billion dollars on his campaign if that is what it takes.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Trump just spoke in Iowa. One highlight was that someone offered him 5 million dollars, but he turned it down. He went on to say that he would spend 1 billion dollars on his campaign if that is what it takes.

Don't forget he's giving helicopter rides to kids there.

 

[Manmademan]

this isn't even remotely true

it absolutely is.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Yes. She's also saying emails containing satellite images of high-value targets and drone info were not classified. Yeah right Hills. There are fears that she had people scrub the classified label of the documents. We will see how it develops.

Isn't it the department itself as a whole which deems what is and is not classified? It's not her personal decision. If it wasn't designed as such at the time then they can't do anything about it.

Against ex post facto laws.

 

[SayBooSayDo-SayBooSayWho]

So the top 5 is:

1. Trump
2. Carson
3. Walker
4. Cruz
5. Fiorina


Well the main thing I can take from this is Carly won't be in the kids table this time when the CNN debate starts.

 

[Dice]

Got here late:

candidate most likely to change the way things work in Washington.

WTF even is this nomination? Absolutely nothing will do that except the entire US population electing representatives that are not moneygrubbing shitheads.

 

[SayBooSayDo-SayBooSayWho]

Got here late:

WTF even is this nomination? Absolutely nothing will do that except the entire US population electing representatives that are not moneygrubbing shitheads.

Trump will pass an executive order replacing all members of washington with the officials that lost to them in their elections.

 

[Tarkus]

Isn't it the department itself as a whole which deems what is and is not classified? It's not her personal decision. If it wasn't designed as such at the time then they can't do anything about it.

Against ex post facto laws.

Like I said, we will see how it develops. The emails in question were 2 of 40 randomly sampled from 30,000. No one on GAF knows if she is innocent or guitly until the investigation is complete. You guys really shouldn't shit on people with opinions different from yours. (Not necessarily you Bam Bam)

Lol, I'm diverting if I ask if a mod is new because I've never seen them? Come on

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Footage of helicopter rides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jf8DKCncGM

 

[quickwhips]

All politicians in us gov should not be using private email. I would be fired for it because of foia and so should they. It's total bullshit for Clinton and walker.

 

[SayBooSayDo-SayBooSayWho]

All politicians in us gov should not be using private email. I would be fired for it because of foia and so should they. It's total bullshit for Clinton and walker.

walker has private emails?

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

Breaking: surging is occurring for those yearning for Trump presidency

Also, helicopter rides

 

[DietRob]

He definitely is. And I'm sure guilty of contributing. But it is such an interesting story . . . when was the last time you saw a non politician walk into a political party and just completely dominate things?

And the guy is amusing with his childish insults. And he has a very good cadence with his public speaking. He's a salesman.

I'll be honest I'm fucking terrified that the country is just crazy enough to elect this buffoon. I will be dumbfounded but it wouldn't be the first time american society would have disappointed me.

If he keeps a lead through primary season (doubful... see herman cain)... But at the same time Trump is the dirty nasty used car salesman that just won't bow out. With a huge war chest. Things could get really crazy for the GOP.


Can you imagine? *shudders*

 

[Wag]

So the top 5 is:

1. Trump
2. Carson
3. Walker
4. Cruz
5. Fiorina


Well the main thing I can take from this is Carly won't be in the kids table this time when the CNN debate starts.

Racists, bigots and fundies now lead the Republican polls? What a surprise! 😲

 

[PhoenixDark]

As scary as a Trump presidency would be, the Republicans actually stand a good chance of taking the White House in general. Historical trends have showed that Democrats face an uphill fight to maintain control of the presidency.

http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2013/01/historic-re-election-pattern-doesnt-favor-democrats-in-2016/

Some interesting facts from past presidencies. Maybe Hillary can break the trend though.

Ultimately the general election map benefits democrats which is more important. Hillary would start at around 230-240, thus needing only 30-40 EVs to reach 270.

The demographics of the country favor democrats right now.

 

[dabig2]

Ultimately the general election map benefits democrats which is more important. Hillary would start at around 230-240, thus needing only 30-40 EVs to reach 270.

The demographics of the country favor democrats right now.

This. You can't just look at the past anymore. Elections were white male dominated since this country's inception and for the last 30-40 years have been dominated by conservative leaning Boomers and Silent Gen era folk.

Times are changing though. More minorities and more women are voting. In Presidential years you even see the youth coming out to vote (this is important as these more liberal-leaning votes will begin to displace the aging, dying, and more conservative Silent Generation/older Boomers). Of course, that's a more long term look and the election is next year, but the point still stands with the voting demographics of this country looking nothing like how it was even back in 2004 much less 20,30,50 years ago.

 

[Buddha Beam]

I think this election is basically the last election the modern Republican party has a reasonable chance at ever winning again, barring something like a huge scandal on the Dem side. They could probably continue to do well at the national level if they'd go more social libertarian, but that doesn't look to be happening any time soon.

I thought for sure Rand Paul would become at least a Top 3 contender by riding his last name's legacy and appealing to The Moneymen as the new way forward. But hot damn, I seem to have been wrong on that front. Crazy rightwing base is crazier than ever.

 

[BigDug13]

I think this election is basically the last election the modern Republican party has a reasonable chance at ever winning again, barring something like a huge scandal on the Dem side. They could probably continue to do well at the national level if they'd go more social libertarian, but that doesn't look to be happening any time soon.

I thought for sure Rand Paul would become at least a Top 3 contender by riding his last name's legacy and appealing to The Moneymen as the new way forward. But hot damn, I seem to have been wrong on that front. Crazy rightwing base is crazier than ever.

Not sure what Rand Paul really stands for. His voting record has been completely opposite of the things he says.

 

[HylianTom]

This. You can't just look at the past anymore. Elections were white male dominated since this country's inception and for the last 30-40 years have been dominated by conservative leaning Boomers and Silent Gen era folk.

Times are changing though. More minorities and more women are voting. In Presidential years you even see the youth coming out to vote (this is important as these more liberal-leaning votes will begin to displace the aging, dying, and more conservative Silent Generation/older Boomers). Of course, that's a more long term look and the election is next year, but the point still stands with the voting demographics of this country looking nothing like how it was even back in 2004 much less 20,30,50 years ago.

Yup.

In 1988, winning 60% of the white vote got Poppa Bush >400EVs.
In 2012, winning 60% of the white vote for Mitt Romney >200EVs.

As each four-year period passes by, the hill gets incrementally steeper for the GOP. They not only have to make-up for the gap that Obama won by in 2012 - they also have to add another sliver of voters to account for demographics. And keep in mind: due to how distribution of population among the swing states now favors the Democrats electorally, the GOP nominee has to beat the Dem nominee by 1% nationwide to safely get an electoral victory; anything less than that will make for an incredibly close shave that could go either way.