CNN Poll: Trump Surging in Iowa

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Trump sure is president of GAF. Jesus christ I hate to thread whine but damn..

I still think his campaign is a Colbert bit to open the late show.
let me dream

The reality is scary.
 
Dude Abides said:
I'm 39 and I much prefer someone who is thoughtful and thinks about what he says rather than a glib TV star who just spouts any damn thing that pops into his head. Let's leave the celebrity worship to the kids, ok?
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I agree, but given the almost uniformly poor quality of the "thoughtful" words and ideas of those he's currently running against, Trump is at least entertaining, charismatic, and less crazy on a few things. I don't think he'll ever have much more than that 20-25% that seem to gravitate to him, meaning I don't really see him as any kind of credible contender, and for now, he's upsetting (and basically parodying, to a degree Stephen Colbert could only dream of) what has become a ridiculously rigid and ineffective electoral system. If I have to have a GOP guy, I'll take Kasich, because he actually sounded like a real person at that debate, but if I have to have one of the crazy GOP guys, I'll take Trump.
 
spock said:
Why is it not a useful trait? Why should it only be for comedians? How is it not being self aware? Because hes not self censoring? Maybe its my age/generation (37) but this overly PC and not wanting step on toes is annoying as fuck. It reminds of some of the Gaf discussions on being a so called man and masculine traits, gender identity, etc. It's like personally I do my best to respect everyone in how they want to view, act and run their lives...(as long as we aint cock blocking each other in ways that hurt or significantly impact one anothers lives)
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Saying that he's a shitstain for calling Mexicans rapists and drug dealers is "overly PC"?

You certainly wouldn't think this way about "lol telling it like it is" if he was talking about you. I doubt anyone spewing this crap has ever been on the receiving end of the trash that comes out his mouth.
 
As for Rand, of all the things to attack Trump on, it's that he's too liberal. If anything that would make Trump more appealing. And all the soundbytes from the ad represent the best of liberal policies. And of all of Trump's soundbytes on women that are available, he chooses one where he talks POSITIVELY about one. IMO it just makes Rand look like an even bigger nutcase.
 
EatinOlives said:
Saying that he's a shitstain for calling Mexicans rapists and drug dealers is "overly PC"?

You certainly wouldn't think this way about "lol telling it like it is" if he was talking about you. I doubt anyone spewing this crap has ever been on the receiving end of the trash that comes out his mouth.
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I already addressed this on page 3 when you first brought it up...but here is a repost.

Regarding Trump's quote on Mexico, rapists, etc. If you look at the actual quote hes not saying all Mexicans, (legal or not) are rapists, etc. His stance (which I think is a bit crazy) and actual quote is that rapists and criminals who happen to be Mexican are being intentionally helped or being ignored by the Mexican Government in crossing the border. That's not the same as saying illegal Mexicans are criminals. Hes talking about criminals who happen to be illegal Mexicans. There is a big difference in intent and meaning. If you argue otherwise your being intellectually dishonest.

I only wrote this because I'm not a fan of anyone getting their words twisted by the press, etc.
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SolarPowered said:
Four years of nothing important getting done. I'd say there would be a chance of impeachment, but who knows with a Republican congress?
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Higher chance he gets assassinated in his first year. Wouldn't be unprecedented.

I like TV personality Trump, I think lots of liberals are tolerating and cheering political Trump just because he's wrecking havoc within the GOP (increasing Dems chances) - I am in that bunch. I personally think that party needs that kind of beating or "wake up" call if you will to start progressing into the 21st Century. Stop feeding the crazies less with radical policies, ideas and philosophies that have simply no place in the 21st Century. We pay for that with the mockery of the political process. The mocking is definitely a shame but the process has been in taters for a while and Trump is its perfect personification, at least for the GOP side of the equation. Bernie, while a socialist, is not anywhere near Trump's buffoonery - just not comparable - but again I don't recall a self-proclaimed socialist campaigning as a Democrat before - with wide-ranging support. There are Socialist parties to hijack in this country if I am not mistaken.
 
spock said:
I already addressed this on page 3 when you first brought it up...but here is a repost.
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I read it the first time, and honestly I'm not convinced. His shitting of Mexico goes beyond that particular statement and has since doubled down on his stance and continues to make ridiculous nonsensical arguments that are factually incorrect (e.g., Mexican government engaging in a secret conspiracy to send their worst to the US). His "solutions" are equally as braindead ("Build a wall! Make Mexico pay for it!"...gee I wonder whose labor you'll exploit to make that wall OH WAIT)

That the most fervent reaction from you is making sure his racist bile is "not twisted by the press" is really quite telling.
 
Korey said:
So......what happens if he actually wins the Presidency?
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A year and a half of hilarity, slashing business regulations, cutting taxes, and corruption, followed by a year long impeachment when he gets caught with his hand in the kitty.
 
EatinOlives said:
Saying that he's a shitstain for calling Mexicans rapists and drug dealers is "overly PC"?

You certainly wouldn't think this way about "lol telling it like it is" if he was talking about you. I doubt anyone spewing this crap has ever been on the receiving end of the trash that comes out his mouth.
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I'm a second-generation American (my parents were immigrants to the U.S.). I support an open border policy in general and have friends that are undocumented. My family is often willing to help those without papers because we are caring and sympathetic since we know immigrants are often looking for safety and a better life.

Yet, I am not offended by Trump's comments and he even said himself that some "illegals" are good people. He never called ALL Mexicans or ALL Mexican-Americans or ALL Hispanics criminals. He was referring to the fact that Mexico doesn't stop people from coming over illegally and sometimes those people are criminals.

What is offensive is our country funding both the cartels and the Mexican government with hundreds of millions of dollars to fight their little war which causes immense suffering and bloodshed - directly contributing to the conditions which propel people to want to cross illegally here in the first place.

It is offensive that our politicians sit by and do nothing to help Mexico and instead make it worse by giving their government (many officials of whom work in league with cartels or gangs) money to continue to the bloodshed.

I don't agree with building a wall or using the National Guard (I'd prefer responsibly legalizing drugs and slowly opening the border to 1990's levels), but I find it crazy that some out-of-context comments by a celebrity contender is the focus of the discussion of border policy.
 
Korey said:
So......what happens if he actually wins the Presidency?
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My guess a bunch of political deadlock that starts to have an impact on the economy and the governments ability to govern. Seeing this Trumps VP steps down and Trump chooses some moderate senator/representative to be his new VP and then soon after steps down himself. Then there would be a bunch if upset people about how the now president wasn't elected but he/she will finish out the rest of Trumps term and then doesn't seek reelection,

But this isn't going to happen.
 
besada said:
A year and a half of hilarity, slashing business regulations, cutting taxes, and corruption, followed by a year long impeachment when he gets caught with his hand in the kitty.
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VP...another clown. Secretary of State? Probably another clown. Speaker? Johnny boy...
 
Alcibiades said:
I'm a second-generation American (my parents were immigrants to the U.S.). I support an open border policy in general and have friends that are undocumented. My family is often willing to help those without papers because we are caring and sympathetic since we know immigrants are often looking for safety and a better life.

Yet, I am not offended by Trump's comments and he even said himself that some "illegals" are good people. He never called ALL Mexicans or ALL Mexican-Americans or ALL Hispanics criminals. He was referring to the fact that Mexico doesn't stop people from coming over illegally and sometimes those people are criminals.

What is offensive is our country funding both the cartels and the Mexican government with hundreds of millions of dollars to fight their little war which causes immense suffering and bloodshed - directly contributing to the conditions which propel people to want to cross illegally here in the first place.

It is offensive that our politicians sit by and do nothing to help Mexico and instead make it worse by giving their government (many officials of whom work in league with cartels or gangs) money to continue to the bloodshed.

I don't agree with building a wall or using the National Guard (I'd prefer responsibly legalizing drugs and slowly opening the border to 1990's levels), but I find it crazy that some out-of-context comments by a celebrity contender is the focus of the discussion of border policy.
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You know, I agree with you. I agree especially with the bolded. I should know that fighting off-the-wall comments from a celebrity contender really doesn't do anything to advance the discussion on border policy, and that the true abhorrent shit that continues the issues goes well beyond a soundbyte. And I do agree that at the end of the day, it's sad that this is about all people get to talk about in terms of border policy. I suppose I really shouldn't be helping to perpetuate the misdirection in discussion by entering in the mudslinging myself.
 
EatinOlives said:
I read it the first time, and honestly I'm not convinced. His shitting of Mexico goes beyond that particular statement and has since doubled down on his stance and continues to make ridiculous nonsensical arguments that are factually incorrect (e.g., Mexican government engaging in a secret conspiracy to send their worst to the US). His "solutions" are equally as braindead ("Build a wall! Make Mexico pay for it!"...gee I wonder whose labor you'll exploit to make that wall OH WAIT)

That the most fervent reaction from you is making sure his racist bile is "not twisted by the press" is really quite telling.
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I agree with Spock, too, so there's that.

You can say Trump's priorities are screwy, that he's wrong, or that he's greatly exaggerating the situation. I personally won't disagree with any of that. But you can't flat out fabricate what he actually said and slide away with "I'm not convinced." It's not fair to people who are trying to make an informed judgement. Let's rely on factual information and civil discourse to sell our stances and opinions, not make-believe.
 
To think, Republicans went from having the Soviet Union being enemy #1 to being bitterly jealous of the Russian system. Oligarchy for all.
 
EatinOlives said:
You know, I agree with you. I agree especially with the bolded. I should know that fighting off-the-wall comments from a celebrity contender really doesn't do anything to advance the discussion on border policy, and that the true abhorrent shit that continues the issues goes well beyond a soundbyte. And I do agree that at the end of the day, it's sad that this is about all people get to talk about in terms of border policy. I suppose I really shouldn't be helping to perpetuate the misdirection in discussion by entering in the mudslinging myself.
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don't forget that guns flowing into Mexico are made in the USA
 
shrek said:
As for Rand, of all the things to attack Trump on, it's that he's too liberal. If anything that would make Trump more appealing. And all the soundbytes from the ad represent the best of liberal policies. And of all of Trump's soundbytes on women that are available, he chooses one where he talks POSITIVELY about one. IMO it just makes Rand look like an even bigger nutcase.
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And Trump is RIGHT about the economy performing better under Democrats. You can find articles saying that on Fox news, Forbes, the economist, etc.
 
EatinOlives said:
I read it the first time, and honestly I'm not convinced. His shitting of Mexico goes beyond that particular statement and has since doubled down on his stance and continues to make ridiculous nonsensical arguments that are factually incorrect (e.g., Mexican government engaging in a secret conspiracy to send their worst to the US). His "solutions" are equally as braindead ("Build a wall! Make Mexico pay for it!"...gee I wonder whose labor you'll exploit to make that wall OH WAIT)

That the most fervent reaction from you is making sure his racist bile is "not twisted by the press" is really quite telling.
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All your doing is injecting your own feelings, frames, etc. into what Trump actually said. Does Trump have an issue with all Mexicans? He might but look at what he factually said and how he said it, I dont believe so. It's like the the blood from her eyes or wherever comment...its crazy that people thought he was talking about her period.
 
spock said:
All your doing is injecting your own feelings, frames, etc. into what Trump actually said. Does Trump have an issue with all Mexicans? He might but look at what he factually said and how he said it, I dont believe so. It's like the the blood from her eyes or wherever comment...its crazy that people thought he was talking about her period.
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Do you think a lot of Mexican immigrants are rapists? It's kind of a yes or no question.
 
Korey said:
So......what happens if he actually wins the Presidency?
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we're fucked. Nothing about trump says he has any idea how to be a politician let alone lead the most powerful country on the planet. So basically everybody is fucked. Maybe not China though I think they just do what they did when Bush was alive. Gather international power while the US goes through another term of a President who has no idea wtf they are doing.
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
I agree, but given the almost uniformly poor quality of the "thoughtful" words and ideas of those he's currently running against, Trump is at least entertaining, charismatic, and less crazy on a few things. I don't think he'll ever have much more than that 20-25% that seem to gravitate to him, meaning I don't really see him as any kind of credible contender, and for now, he's upsetting (and basically parodying, to a degree Stephen Colbert could only dream of) what has become a ridiculously rigid and ineffective electoral system. If I have to have a GOP guy, I'll take Kasich, because he actually sounded like a real person at that debate, but if I have to have one of the crazy GOP guys, I'll take Trump.
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Kasich would be the conservative you would consider one of the crazies, that is to say someone like Cruz or Walker. You have it backwards.
 
besada said:
A year and a half of hilarity, slashing business regulations, cutting taxes, and corruption, followed by a year long impeachment when he gets caught with his hand in the kitty.
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With the inevitable lawsuit against the population of the United States of America.
 
Korey said:
So......what happens if he actually wins the Presidency?
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If he wins the presidency, its not so much as to what happens, but what happened. We humans failed as a civilization and species and the alien overlords should just land already and turn us all into fuel cells. We had our ups and downs and it was fun while it lasted.
 
If trump wins we should just end the democratic system and return to Monarchy.

We can have a grand tournament broadcast on all channels with duels to the death and strategic games to identify the new world leader.
 
DragonSworne said:
If trump wins we should just end the democratic system and return to Monarchy.

We can have a grand tournament broadcast on all channels with duels to the death and strategic games to identify the new world leader.
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I suggest Street Fighter 2 tournament. Whoever wins will become the leader of the free world.
 
inm8num2 said:
It's going to be interesting to see how the Republican field whittles down in the coming months.

Side note - I was curious to see how Donald "Spread it out in small doses" Trump's website compares to some of the other Republican candidates w/ respect to offering his positions on various issues.

Candidates w/ dedicated "issues" pages:
https://www.bencarson.com/issues/
https://rickperry.org/issues
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/issues
https://marcorubio.com/issues/
https://www.randpaul.com/issues
https://www.bobbyjindal.com/issues/
http://www.ricksantorum.com/issues
https://www.chrischristie.com/issues

Candidates w/o dedicated "issues" pages, instead offering related info through background or "about me" info:
https://jeb2016.com/meet-jeb/?lang=en
https://www.tedcruz.org/records/
https://www.scottwalker.com/about
https://carlyforpresident.com/meet-carly
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/about
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Yeah, after I made that thread the other day, I looked at Jeb's and was shocked that he didn't have one either. Cruz at least does have a long list of past records which kinda tells you want he plans to do. But what the heck? . . . Am I asking for too much when I just expect the candidates to tell us a few of their policy positions? That is the way I pick the person I vote for. I don't give a fuck about their personalities . . . well, other than the fact that I know other people care about it and thus it affects their chances of winning.

Dems all have one though a couple of them are pretty slim:
https://martinomalley.com/vision/
http://www.chafee2016.com/policy/
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/the-four-fights/economy-of-tomorrow/
https://berniesanders.com/issues/
https://www.webb2016.com/on-the-issues/
 
Out of curiosity, does Bernie have a chance of beating Hillary? I'll be voting for him, but the general feel I get from a lot of these threads is that everyone expects HIllary to be a shoe in. What would you say are the chances of Bernie actually being the democratic nominee?
 
MisterAnderson said:
Out of curiosity, does Bernie have a chance of beating Hillary? I'll be voting for him, but the general feel I get from a lot of these threads is that everyone expects HIllary to be a shoe in. What would you say are the chances of Bernie actually being the democratic nominee?
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Unless something major happens, Bernie doesn't have the minority support to win the nominee
 
MisterAnderson said:
Out of curiosity, does Bernie have a chance of beating Hillary? I'll be voting for him, but the general feel I get from a lot of these threads is that everyone expects HIllary to be a shoe in. What would you say are the chances of Bernie actually being the democratic nominee?
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Politics are pretty volatile, but polls over several months, the fundraising, the transferal of the Obama machine to Clinton campaign, indicate that Bernie's chances are slim. Another concern is Bernie's ability to attract voters outside of white progressives.

The delegate counting in primaries spins my brain, but if his campaign can come up with a strategy there to overcome the Hillary campaign, I suppose he could win (it's highly unlikely). There's talk in hopes of Iowa and New Hampshire primary wins causing a snowball effect for Bernie, but for total delegate count those states matter little. Obama won the primaries in 2008 by winning more total states than Hillary (she still won in most of the most populous states, the exception being Texas) and by winning with a higher margin (therefore collecting more delegates in a proportional system). This wasn't achieved by a magical snowball effect, but by the Obama campaign machine...which is now in Hillary's camp.

That was a paragraph of confusion for you probably, but it's basically unlikely Bernie will beat Hillary. His chances are low.
 
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