CNN Poll: Trump Surging in Iowa

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The only real chance is for Bernie to win both Iowa and NH and hope that those shocking victories make miorities give a real hard look at him.
 
Jackbooted said:
As scary as a Trump presidency would be, the Republicans actually stand a good chance of taking the White House in general. Historical trends have showed that Democrats face an uphill fight to maintain control of the presidency.

http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2013/01/historic-re-election-pattern-doesnt-favor-democrats-in-2016/

Some interesting facts from past presidencies. Maybe Hillary can break the trend though.
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I believe she will continue on a downward trend. She's making it hard for people to get behind her. The best chance the Dems have is for Biden to announce.
 
sangreal said:
is this article meant as a joke?
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yup it is, comparing 19th Century trends with late 20th Century and early 21st Century trends is ridiculous

especially concerning the identity swap both parties underwent through and post-FDR

Democratic presidential gains started gaining fortunes when they stopped choosing Left Wing Democrats as nominees and decided to select moderate corporatists starting with Bill Clinton
 
Trump up big in Missouri.

PPP's new Missouri poll provides more evidence that Donald Trump emerged from the first debate at least momentarily unscathed. He leads the Republican field in the state with 23% to 11% each for Jeb Bush and Ben Carson, 10% for Mike Huckabee, 9% for Ted Cruz, 8% for Scott Walker, 7% for Carly Fiorina, 6% for Marco Rubio, and 4% each for John Kasich and Rand Paul.

What really stands out in the numbers is how broad Trump's support is- he leads with moderates (25%), 'somewhat liberal' voters (23%), and 'very conservative' voters (20%) alike. He is a lot stronger with men (30%) but he leads with women too at 16%. He's particularly strong with young voters (32%) but also leads with middle aged voters (21%) and seniors (17%). Every group we track he has the lead with on this poll

Missouri does present more evidence of the threat a Donald Trump independent bid could pose to the Republican Party though. He actually beats out Jeb Bush as a third party candidate, getting 30% to 29% for Bush with Clinton leading the way at 34%. Trump leads with independents at 37%, and gets 39% of Republicans and 15% of Democrats as well
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http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_MO_81215.pdf
 
People are simply sick of prototypical politicians, which is why Trump and Bernie are surging. I think Biden would do very well with his straight talking if he were to jump in at this point.
 
Hari Seldon said:
People are simply sick of prototypical politicians, which is why Trump and Bernie are surging. I think Biden would do very well with his straight talking if he were to jump in at this point.
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That is exactly it. As for Bernie, I can't imagine anything more contrived than Hilary's selfie with Kim and Kanye.
 
-COOLIO- said:
that headline is so out of context.
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I think that is why so many people love him though. He could potentially get votes in for that reason alone. It says more about how people view politics and those in power than it does for Trump himself.

Him, Bernie, Carson, Carly...it couldn't be any more obvious.
 
I need Trump to keep these numbers going into next year.

It's all I ask for. I will personally campaign for him if that is what it takes.

I want to give the Republican party its equivalent of the Hartford Convention.
 
DietRob said:
Donald "It was a great night for Mexico" Trump sure is president of GAF. Jesus christ I hate to thread whine but damn..
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He definitely is. And I'm sure guilty of contributing. But it is such an interesting story . . . when was the last time you saw a non politician walk into a political party and just completely dominate things?

And the guy is amusing with his childish insults. And he has a very good cadence with his public speaking. He's a salesman.

Korey said:
So......what happens if he actually wins the Presidency?
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Not much. He quickly realizes that yelling at Putin, China, Congress, Mexico, etc. doesn't really get them to do anything.

The world is not a scripted reality show.
 
Missouri does present more evidence of the threat a Donald Trump independent bid could pose to the Republican Party though. He actually beats out Jeb Bush as a third party candidate, getting 30% to 29% for Bush with Clinton leading the way at 34%. Trump leads with independents at 37%, and gets 39% of Republicans and 15% of Democrats as well
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Oh please oh please oh please.....
 
Korey said:
So......what happens if he actually wins the Presidency?
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I can't think of anyone who instills American values (corporate profits) more than Donald Trump.

Part of me just wants him to win to see how things will fold out over the next 4 years, but that is only true if I can hit the rewind button to make it not happen.
 
But even if he does become president it's not like he can act like a tyrant and get all his own way. You have checks and balances right?
 
lastplayed said:
But even if he does become president it's not like he can act like a tyrant and get all his own way. You have checks and balances right?
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ironically, that is one of his campaign messages (america wasn't meant to be run through executive orders -- or something like that)
 
lastplayed said:
But even if he does become president it's not like he can act like a tyrant and get all his own way. You have checks and balances right?
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We do have checks and balances, however, if Trump wins then the GOP will control the House, the Senate and the Executive branch. They'll then be able to appoint Supreme Court nominees and secure their control over the Judiciary too.

Game. Set. Match.
 
adam387 said:
We do have checks and balances, however, if Trump wins then the GOP will control the House, the Senate and the Executive branch. They'll then be able to appoint Supreme Court nominees and secure their control over the Judiciary too.

Game. Set. Match.
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Which pretty much means that progressivism - at all levels of government - is crippled for a few decades. We pass something they don't like at the state or federal level? They challenge it, and their judges essentially veto it.
 
HylianTom said:
Which pretty much means that progressivism - at all levels of government - is crippled for a few decades. We pass something they don't like at the state or federal level? They challenge it, and their judges essentially veto it.
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Exactly.

This is why I get so frustrated when people say they're all the same. There are characteristics that politicians in both parties share, but to say that it really doesn't matter just infuriates me.

If we hadn't won in 2008, there would have been no overturn of DOMA. There would be no marriage equality. There would have been no ACA. As a gay man with visual disabilities, a GOP President really can drastically destroy my life. It, literally, terrifies me.
 
Downhome said:
I think that is why so many people love him though. He could potentially get votes in for that reason alone. It says more about how people view politics and those in power than it does for Trump himself.

Him, Bernie, Carson, Carly...it couldn't be any more obvious.
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Indeed! Its pretty much the point many of us have been trying to make regarding Trumps appeal. Sure he has some issues and has lacked giving details but his candor and how out of sync he is with traditional politics is what makes him appealing. I'm a 2 time Obama voter, but I'm still feeling Trump more-so then Hillary. I like Bernie to. A lot of folks are just tiered of politicians and politics as usual. I'm willing to risk my vote on Trump if it shifts the paradigm of what future candidates can be like and win. (same goes for Bernie with me)
 
adam387 said:
We do have checks and balances, however, if Trump wins then the GOP will control the House, the Senate and the Executive branch. They'll then be able to appoint Supreme Court nominees and secure their control over the Judiciary too.

Game. Set. Match.
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Trump is a RINO. If he could get away with it, he would just make the Trump party.
 
Jackbooted said:
As scary as a Trump presidency would be, the Republicans actually stand a good chance of taking the White House in general. Historical trends have showed that Democrats face an uphill fight to maintain control of the presidency.

http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2013/01/historic-re-election-pattern-doesnt-favor-democrats-in-2016/

Some interesting facts from past presidencies. Maybe Hillary can break the trend though.
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So you're saying that because democrats haven't won 3 elections in a row in a while then they might have trouble doing it this time again?

:|

That's closer to numerology than critical thinking.
 
SourShoes said:
Why? David Patraeus was prosecuted and charged with the exact same thing: mishandling classified information.
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This has been a talking point on Fox news but it's not really accurate.

Petraeus was done for knowingly and unlawfully sending information that was unquestionably classified to a mistress writing a biography for him.

Clinton allegedly received two emails on the private server she was using that there is a disagreement over whether or not should retroactively be labelled classified.
 
SourShoes said:
Why? David Patraeus was prosecuted and charged with the exact same thing: mishandling classified information.
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No one of actual authority (meaning no gossip news outlets) has actually stated doing what she did was criminal. Then you factor in her predecessors did the same thing and you wonder how many will face charges.

The more I learn about this, the less actual specifics I get as to why or what was done that was wrong or illegal at the time. Did she do anything that was against precedent or behind everyone's backs secretly? Article 1 Section 9 prohibits ex post facto laws for a reason.
 
SourShoes said:
Why? David Patraeus was prosecuted and charged with the exact same thing: mishandling classified information.
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Petraeus willingly gave up highly classified information to his mistress. In a fight between dick and brain, dick won.

Hillary used a private email server to send and receive emails to people who were approved to send and receive such emails, a few of which are being researched whether to grade them classified or not. Her predecessors did the same thing. Scott Walker has a private email server too. This is a witch hunt by the opposition and they've sunk to new depths with the Petraeus comparison.
 
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