I don't think anyone knows this, much less the people on the committee.
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College Football Playoff Thread | Setting A Daggerous Precedent
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On a more serious note, this happened at the PAC12 championship game: http://deadspin.com/santa-clara-police-attack-fan-at-pac-12-championship-ga-1667994556
But how could we be anything but surprised?
With no forward projecting it's totally random every week. We have no way of knowing how much they value a certain win because without pre-baking in future results we have no idea how they view the opponent until after they give us the new poll. They are effectively intentionally withholding information that is key to their thought process.
They have basically created a process where now we have a poll that comes out weekly (ratings, whatever) that is completely useless.
By the final week of the season you should have a pretty good idea of who you think the teams are, and short of something upending that thought process there should be very little movement otherwise I'm lead to believe you are just making it up as you go along.
I mean, no decisions are actually made this way by humans. The committee knew they were moving TCU down if Baylor won, tOSU won and Florida St won (all expected results on paper).
So what we have is this:
1) The committee knows what they intend to do given the expected results (the poll we have now).
2) The committee ignores this thought process and releases a totally different ranking that ignores their actual thought process going forward.
Number 2 is a totally worthless data point for anyone in the world. So why are they releasing it?
True. At least he's so terrible at coaching that it never ends up mattering.
Based on the guidelines that they set, it's up to us to predict what the outcome might be. And it was obvious TCU was going to get jumped. The committee said that championship games are a factor. They also said that they would take the head to head into consideration. They said they don't consider potential future wins or losses. Based on that, it was obvious that TCU was going to get jumped by Baylor (head to head win and a win against K-State that aligned their resumes) and OSU (huge win in a championship game). Yes, you could argue that they should not have been ahead of FSU but FSU again was in a championship game and looked pretty good.
I don't see anything in their guidelines about not being forward looking when making their rankings: http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/selection-committee-protocol
Battlezone
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I believe Kansas State and TCU would have then been co-champions.
I thought the way the committee ranked the teams last week was them sending a message that OSU wasn't getting in. Not only was TCU at 3, but Wisconsin barely moved up, while Minnesota dropped completely out. And Arizona jumped Michigan State. I figured they were setting themselves up for a convenient excuse to leave OSU out and not have to deal with the Cardale Jones thing in case OSU won a fluky, close game. Obviously, that didn't happen.
Also, I get the frustration over TCU being ranked third in the first place, but I don't understand why everyone all of a sudden is upset that TCU is behind Baylor. Especially after weeks of complaining that TCU was ranked ahead of Baylor. Every week, the talking heads kept saying, "well, THIS week is surely the week they correct the head-to-head ranking," then when they finally corrected it, all of a sudden they're upset that TCU dropped to six. Where were they supposed to go when they "corrected" the ranking?
Purple Cheeto
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Not really football related, but a list of compensation for private university administrators.
Among football schools you have:
Rice 7th
Tulsa 13th
USC 14th
Miami 17th
Vandy 22nd
TCU 23rd
Northwestern 24th
Duke 26th
Tulane 30th
Wake Forest 36th
Wonder how many of these the head football coach makes more, I'd guess USC for sure.
Well if you make it a requirement for the CFP then they don't have much of a choice, do they?
Also I think Colorado, Utah and the Arizona schools are in separate time zones from the other Pac 12 schools but that's not my point! OOC scheduling inequality continues to be the biggest issue in comparing teams. The next problem is of course the unbalanced nature of in conference scheduling because of bloated conference sizes but one issue at a time.
Among football schools you have:
Rice 7th
Tulsa 13th
USC 14th
Miami 17th
Vandy 22nd
TCU 23rd
Northwestern 24th
Duke 26th
Tulane 30th
Wake Forest 36th
Wonder how many of these the head football coach makes more, I'd guess USC for sure.
Well if you make it a requirement for the CFP then they don't have much of a choice, do they?
Also I think Colorado, Utah and the Arizona schools are in separate time zones from the other Pac 12 schools but that's not my point! OOC scheduling inequality continues to be the biggest issue in comparing teams. The next problem is of course the unbalanced nature of in conference scheduling because of bloated conference sizes but one issue at a time.
Go for it. Here's the title from the thread on Tigerdroppings where I saw the link: "Cops protect and serve the hell out of Oregon fan at Pac 12 championship game."
Are people here upset about TCU being behind Baylor? I thought the consensus here was that TCU fell behind Baylor to shut Briles up.
But why, when they could literally tell us by releasing their projected playoff teams week to week. Then adjust as new information comes in (losses, bad wins, good wins, previously big wins look less meaningful).
I'm all for no poll coming out at all and the total meltdowns that causes.
That's Long not wanting to answer hypothetical questions on air. It's not verboten by their public guidelines, and I'll eat my hat before I believe they don't discuss that when they meet.
After all the games have been played I think the committee got the final 4 right.
I actually think the least deserving out of the top 6 is FSU. In no universe are they one of the best 4 teams in the country.
Think about how underwhelming you have to be to justifiably be #3 when you go 13-0 (a season after going 14-0 to win a national title).
I actually think the least deserving out of the top 6 is FSU. In no universe are they one of the best 4 teams in the country.
Think about how underwhelming you have to be to justifiably be #3 when you go 13-0 (a season after going 14-0 to win a national title).
That's your fault for clicking on a race thread started by Louisianians.
He should have scaled the arena to escape them!
They clearly felt Arizona was still a top 10 team. Now explain how Oregon failed to pass Alabama in the final rankings in a world where the committee tosses the rankings aside after each week.
Randolph Freelander
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Committee politics? I don't know, but maybe.
The ACC was caught somewhat flatfooted yesterday. Last week, Michigan State was 8 and Mississippi State was 10. With that order, the Big Ten would have gotten a slot in the Orange Bowl against the ACC, and the Big Ten's slot in the Citrus would have gone to the ACC.
This week, despite neither team playing, Mississippi State moved up to 7 and Michigan State remained at 8. This cost the Big Ten a spot in the Orange Bowl, but not in the NY6, and it also returned to them the Citrus slot. The word from those in the know is that it's primarily thanks to the Big Ten affiliated committee members, Tom Osborne and Barry Alvarez, and the move basically benefited both the Big Ten and the SEC to get all their teams into bowls.
But wait... there's more. Apparently last week's move was also somewhat orchestrated, in that Michigan State being rated above Mississippi State at a time when Ohio State was on the outside of the playoff was a beneficial outcome for the Big Ten to get more teams into the NY6 mix. With Ohio State in the playoff, that outcome wasn't needed, so the order was reversed.
In the end, the ACC thought they had the Citrus, found out they did not, and had to scramble to get all 11 eligible teams (plus Notre Dame) into bowls, which they did. The loss of the Citrus is what knocked Louisville down to the Belk Bowl, for example, knocked NC State down to St Pete, and kicked Pitt into the Armed Forces Bowl, which isn't an ACC affiliated bowl game.
If any of this political "scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" is true, then it's just the same old boys network as before under a different name.
Regarding the story of the aforementioned events, just look up Joe Giglio (writer for the Raleigh News & Observer, the de facto regional expert on ACC bowl dealings) on Twitter. I'm at the office, or I'd actually link the accompanying tweets.
They won their division and beat #2 Oregon!
Randolph Freelander
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If the guy from the Deadspin story was a UCF fan, or perhaps Chop Block U, then maybe go directly to violence.
We should create an objective system using computer modeling to get the politics out of football and select the statistically best 4 teams for the playoff!
The CFB universe is caught in an infinite loop
Battlezone
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I was thinking more about the talking heads yesterday, more so than here. Like Joey Galloway just can't understand why TCU fell from three to six, but also thought Baylor should have been ranked ahead of TCU based on head-to-head, but also thought OSU deserved to be in. It just makes my head hurt.
I also think he heavily implied Florida State shouldn't have been in at all, but kept getting muzzled whenever he wanted to say it.
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Disagree on Coach, once again. Saban, with a Running Back turned QB and no secondary, winning the SEC, instead goes to a guy who beat LSU and A&M when no one knew they'd lose 9 combined games
I'd say Sims would be 1st team. Better passer, just didn't run as many times as Prescott
Disagree on Coach, once again. Saban, with a Running Back turned QB and no secondary, winning the SEC, instead goes to a guy who beat LSU and A&M when no one knew they'd lose 9 combined games
I'd say Sims would be 1st team. Better passer, just didn't run as many times as Prescott
Dak Prescott first team All-SEC?
Bad year for SEC QBs.
That's
October
Average to down.
Top 5 in Rating:
Sims is #7 nationally in Passer Rating with Prescott being #15
Prescott ran 195 times for 939 yards and 13 touchdowns
Sims ran 73 times for 321 yards and 6 touchdowns
Mariota ran 117 times for 669 yards and 14 touchdowns
Mike Gundy's a Blind 40 year old Man. No way did Kansas State and Arizona just lose. Nope, didn't see it happen.
Top 5 in Rating:
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Name Team Yr Pos G Att Comp Pct. Yards Yards/Att TD Int Rating Att/G Yards/G
1 Blake Sims Alabama SR QB 13 355 230 64.8 3250 9.2 26 7 161.92 27.3 250.0
2 Hutson Mason Georgia SR QB 12 262 178 67.9 2019 7.7 20 4 154.81 21.8 168.3
3 Dak Prescott Miss St JR QB 12 345 211 61.2 2996 8.7 24 10 151.27 28.8 249.7
4 Nick Marshall Auburn SR QB 12 271 163 60.1 2315 8.5 18 7 148.65 22.6 192.9
5 Bo Wallace Miss SR QB 12 358 219 61.2 3085 8.6 22 11 147.68 29.8 257.1Sims is #7 nationally in Passer Rating with Prescott being #15
Prescott ran 195 times for 939 yards and 13 touchdowns
Sims ran 73 times for 321 yards and 6 touchdowns
Mariota ran 117 times for 669 yards and 14 touchdowns
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Name Team Yr Pos G Att Comp Pct. Yards Yards/Att TD Int Rating Att/G Yards/G
1 Marcus Mariota Oregon JR QB 13 372 254 68.3 3773 10.1 38 2 186.10 28.6 290.2Mike Gundy's a Blind 40 year old Man. No way did Kansas State and Arizona just lose. Nope, didn't see it happen.
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Prescott
Passing 211 345 61.2 2996 8.7 24 74 10 151.3
Rushing 195 939 4.8 56 13
Sims
Passing 230 355 64.8 3250 9.2 26 87 7 161.9
Rushing 73 321 4.4 43 6The only things I can think of that put Dak on top were (1) rushing stats, primarily yards and (2) Sims still gets viewed as the beneficiary of having Amari Cooper to throw to.
I had no idea Mariota only threw 2 ints all year. Give the man the Heisman.
I have more issue with Arie Kouandjio being a first team OL choice.
Arie's had a hell of a season. He's been our most consistent lineman all season long.
Bookmarked for the next time an Oregon fan tries to throw academic shade our way.
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Randolph Freelander
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Interesting fact: Last week, TCU's APR was 970.
I'm surprised you could type all that correctly, Mr. 958.Hey, I was making fun of your fans, not the students.Let's be honest here... Not every fan in the stadium in an Alabama student/alum and the state is one of the worst in the country when it comes to public education.
Not as bad as Mississippi though!
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