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College Football Week 13 - Sparty ain't worried 'bout no clock
- Thread starter Randolph Freelander
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GoldenEye 007
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Or maybe Houston just isn't that bad of a program.
GoldenEye 007
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Well pretty much half the AAC is.
BertramCooper
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From an outsider's perspective, they seem like a logical choice for the inevitable expansion back to 12.
But I'm sure there's a ton of bizarre Texas state politics involved that could make it all stupidly fraught.
Sirpopopop
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Draxal, you need to understand. I support Rutgers. All the time. Every day. Rutgers is the best around. Nothing's gonna keep us DOWN.
We will rise from the ashes of Hermann & Flood. Hobbs is the man to save us. He may get us a coach as vaunted as Mario Cristobal! The best coach in FIU history. Ace recruiter at Alabama, which is a harder place to recruit to than you think.
You need to not just be excited. It's a 100% certainty that Patrick Hobbs will make the right moves. The man was a genius at SHU!
We will rise from the ashes of Hermann & Flood. Hobbs is the man to save us. He may get us a coach as vaunted as Mario Cristobal! The best coach in FIU history. Ace recruiter at Alabama, which is a harder place to recruit to than you think.
You need to not just be excited. It's a 100% certainty that Patrick Hobbs will make the right moves. The man was a genius at SHU!
Randolph Freelander
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"USC can get anybody they want."
Quick, someone post the last time that actually happened.
Quick, someone post the last time that actually happened.
I just can't see the B12 wanting five programs in Texas.
Battlezone
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Even Pete Carroll wasn't their first choice, IIRC.
Of course he wasn't. It's easy to forget, but at the time he was a journeyman NFL coordinator with two prominent failures as a HC.
Purple Cheeto
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Well Sark and Kiffin were ostensibly the AD's first choice the last two times they had to hire a coach so there is that.
Although you are right that back at the start of the 00s when they were coming off a decade of darkness it took until their 4th choice before they found a coach.
Calamari41
41 > 38
Pete Carroll actually approached them and pitched himself
He wasn't even coaching at the time. Anything but a sure bet at the time.
BertramCooper
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I doubt that they do, but with the potential candidates for B12 expansion being pretty unimpressive and the need to get back a championship game so pressing, they're almost certainly going to have to add another Texas program.
It's just too easy of an option for it not to happen.
FloydtheFathead
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Didn't SC fans bitch about Caroll being hired too? I haven't watched much SC this year so I don't know much about him. Is he that terrible?
He's built to coach the BIG XII and recruit there. One of the main reasons Urban got Beck was he could recruit Texas.
Part of me thinks he waiting to see what Texas is going to do with Charlie.
That's Kirby Smart.
It really isn't. I get why the BIG XII doesn't necessarily want them. But I think they could compete in a Power 5 conference.
They should keep putting pressure..
Memphis and Houston would be excellent adds.. Well Memphis may be before Fuente left. Have some history in basketball as well.
They are trying to not make WVU the red headed stepchild and really want to expand East.
He's built to coach the BIG XII and recruit there. One of the main reasons Urban got Beck was he could recruit Texas.
Part of me thinks he waiting to see what Texas is going to do with Charlie.
That's Kirby Smart.
It really isn't. I get why the BIG XII doesn't necessarily want them. But I think they could compete in a Power 5 conference.
They should keep putting pressure..
Memphis and Houston would be excellent adds.. Well Memphis may be before Fuente left. Have some history in basketball as well.
They are trying to not make WVU the red headed stepchild and really want to expand East.
Sirpopopop
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The Big 12 is going to dissolve. It's going to happen.
They are a weak conference from a television standpoint. They lack a visionary leader like Jim Delany. His moves of adding Rutgers & Maryland to the Big 10 were masterful.
BertramCooper
Banned
West Virginia is doomed to be the redheaded stepchild in any scenario.
Adding them was a pure desperation move - a Band-Aid plastered on a gaping wound.
I'm beginning to think that RutgersAl has taken over Sirpopop...
BTW, I'm actually okay with the Hobbs hire. Can't wait to see who we get as coach.
Calamari41
41 > 38
The long-story-short explanation is that Nikias isn't a football guy at all, and doesn't really care what happens with athletics as long as the money keeps coming in (Haden is a prolific fundraiser). The collapse on the sideline at Notre Dame was the perfect time for Haden to step aside gracefully, but he just doesn't seem to want to leave. Hopefully he steps aside after this season, but the guy has an ego.
BertramCooper
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One could argue that Maryland has actually added more to the conference than Nebraska has at this point.
Nebraska has contributed jack-shit to the conference since joining. Rutgers and Maryland have at least brought one quality basketball program between the two of them and a shitload of cable subscribers.
FloydtheFathead
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I don't disagree, but they've hemmed themselves into trying to balance out the distance between the schools and WVU for one reason.
Plus PopPop said it too.. They need to expand their footprint on the television viewership market. Houston does nothing in regards to accomplishing that.
BertramCooper
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In the end it's probably going to be Houston and Cincinnati - even with Houston's inability to expand the TV map and Cincy's MAC-level facilities.
Can't be him, he's done well in multiple games, and didn't base his career off beating Alabama.
He's more like a Happy version of Will Muschamp. I fear he'll have the same outcome, and was why I was skeptical of him being a potential "coach in waiting" at Alabama.
theprodigy
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...when was this?
Smart's success would be highly dependent on who his OC would be.
Hippopuncher12
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They are trying to not make WVU the red headed stepchild and really want to expand East.[/QUOTE]
I think adding Cincinnati would be a good addition for the B12 personally.
I think adding Cincinnati would be a good addition for the B12 personally.
Houston offers almost nothing that the Big XII doesn't already have. They would provide some penetration into East Texas but overall not as much market as adding a school from a different part of the country would bring.
They seem to be committed to building something that a P5 would be interested in but I don't really know which P5 it would be. The Big XII already more or less owns Texas and already added a desperation option in TCU, the SEC already has more of the Houston market with A&M than Houston could ever hope to give them, and they're way outside of the current footprints of the ACC, PAC-12, and B1G.
It's true that all the candidates are unimpressive, but if you're just looking for an easy add a school like Cincinnati would be miles ahead of Houston, I think. UCONN would likely be far ahead as well IMO.
Sirpopopop
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(when Karakand was around. I supported Karl Dorrell.)
Purple Cheeto
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Nikias wants to be the Stanford of the Southwest, I'm guessing there was more emphasis this time on finding a coach who won't publicly embarrass the university but outside of that I doubt football acumen mattered a whole lot.
USC is in kind of a weird place, you have all the pre Sample alumni who think of it as primarily a football school and a second or third tier academic institution and then all the post Sample people who desperately want it to be a top tier academic institution rid of its Spoiled Children/Second Choice monikers and don't particularly care about athletics. How many other schools in this country have successfully reinvented themselves in this way in the past 20-30 years?
It is honestly possible that USC never gets back to the level of truly elite football program, because the administration isn't interested in competing with Alabama or Ohio State or Florida State. They want to compete academically with Stanford and Cal, football be damned.
perfectchaos007
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If the Big 12 were to expand, it would be with schools east of the Mississippi. WVU is the glaring outlier in the conference right now, and I think the Big 12 wants to eventually fix that. Potential candidates could include Cinci, Memphis, USF, or UConn. Temple and UCF would be stretching it, but who knows.
Purple Cheeto
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So supposedly Haden considered 17 different head coaches and did not interview Chip Kelly.
Also Helton got a 3 year deal with 2 option years.
Also Helton got a 3 year deal with 2 option years.
BertramCooper
Banned
The U, as an academic institution, seems to be facing a similar identity crisis as USC. At least from what I've read.
They want to move beyond the whole dirty-as-fuck football school stigma because it has harmed the entire university's reputation. If that means half-assing the football program, so be it.
They want to move beyond the whole dirty-as-fuck football school stigma because it has harmed the entire university's reputation. If that means half-assing the football program, so be it.
Purple Cheeto
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Oh no wait, Helton got 5 years guaranteed.
theprodigy
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I don't know, if Stanford is any indication you can do both
Auburn fans wouldn't know what to do with themselves if this happened.
Christ, why? :jnc
I hope the buyout is $15m.
GoldenEye 007
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UCF as a program has easily passed USF, Memphis, and UConn when it comes to the main bus driver, football. This albatross of a season sucked ass, but facilities, investment, market/location, success, dwarfs most of them.
I'd also think if TV markets are a still thing, locking up central Florida with UCF/USF and just getting into FL in general would make a lot of sense. But I could also see Cinci/Memphis to more directly help out WVU.
They'll end up imploding if they keep dicking around with the LHN and don't consider a true conference wide network, though.
I am surprised the alums are so content to let Haden be the one making these decisions
Even with Herman's deal at UH, I won't believe he is staying until all the chairs get filled. There have been too many coaches who have received a pay raise, only to bolt b/c they never signed it or some other out they have
PlayALLtheGames
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Wtf, really? What makes them think he's going to be a good head coach?
Purple Cheeto
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JPSJL7Kvus
17 is the most random number! Haden pulling things out of his ass like usual!
(Okay that is a bit silly, even for me)
17 is the most random number! Haden pulling things out of his ass like usual!
(Okay that is a bit silly, even for me)
The fans embrace the dirty as fuck stigma, and it's a huge issue for them.
Well, things are cyclical. Spurrier was known for having a good offense, so they seem to be going after a coach with a defensive background. Why Coach Boom? I'm assuming he's their plan B.
Sirpopopop
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Pat Hobbs will hire the best man for the job. He's experienced in the only area that's necessary for any boss:
HE IS SOOOO SOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOD AT BEING DA BOSS!
So don't worry about whether it's Richt or not. The coach that's hired is going to have unimpeachable credentials. If you think the next coach is anything other than great, well, we need to question your judgment at that point.
What fans?
Vanillalite
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Doesn't help that the University is private, but it lacks the national prestige of being perceived as a top flight school. You don't hear people saying oh I got to choose between Northwestern, Cornell, Stanford, Duke, oh and Miami. At least not nationally.
It also isn't affiliated with anything so it's not like oh it's say idk a Catholic school so it's pulling in Catholic students.
Frustrated_Grunt
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Looking back, I didn't even notice Miami finished with an 8-4 record. I expected much worse from them.
Chip Towers and Seth Emerson at the AJC posted an article just now and brought up an interesting idea. Smart is likely the guy at UGA, but keeping Pruitt seems unlikely given Pruitt wanting total control. They think it more likely that Smart comes, coaches through SECCG and any subsequent games while splitting time in Athens, and Pruitt returns to be DC for Saban at Bama.
I don't see it, particularly on the point of Pruitt wanting "total control."
If anything, I would expect Turner to be promoted to DC, assuming Smart leaves.