I wonder if there are parallel threads going on where people get these conclusions they make up.it would be even harder to only rely on G rated jokes.
I know exactly what you mean and it happened a lot with the Chapelle show and happens frequently with K&P too. You kind of learn things about people you didn't really want to know when they're quoting parts of the joke that aren't intended to be the punchline.
The rest of her shit is lame and old, but Mexcians working 100% comes off as praise. Someone tell me how it's offensive, like that we are slave workers 24/7?
Isn't hard working an American ideal?
There's no such thing as a positive stereotype. We're all individuals.
And Chris Rock said his famous routine was basically used by a ton of racist white people to claim they don't hate black people just the ones that act out the stereotype.
He's openly said he retired that bit because it was being used by racists.
Can you back these false equivalences and misrepresentations up with some real life examples of this happening?
If it's just meant to be a funny web comic that doesn't matter why are people in this thread pointing to it and saying "See, this is the shit I'm talking about!"? You can't have it both ways.I simply cannot understand how your brain isn't seeing the comical irony about a comic strip portraying people being way too sensitive and taking comedians way too serious and you asking the poster to show evidence or to back up said claims on a comic that 1. he did not create and 2. is meant to be just a humorous web comic.
If it's just meant to be a funny web comic that doesn't matter why are people in this thread pointing to it and saying "See, this is the shit I'm talking about!"? You can't have it both ways.
Hey, can you show me an example of when that strip happened?Can we just use your own post as an example to prove that this comic strip isn't far off?
I simply cannot understand how your brain isn't seeing the comical irony about a comic strip portraying people being way too sensitive and taking comedians way too serious and you asking the poster to show evidence or to back up said claims on a comic that 1. he did not create and 2. is meant to be just a humorous web comic.
It's people like you that comedians like Seinfeld talk about when they say our generation is ruining comedy.
As for this comedian, I am Mexican and I find the working joke as a compliment. The other one about consensual sex I don't understand but that could just be because she needs to work on her material more.
She was actively playing on racist thoughts.
'Hey, black people talk loudly at the movies'. It's fucking lazy. Like, some bad sketch of what diet racists say when no minorities are around. Fuck out of here.
If comedians were only allowed to be politically correct, then there wouldn't be many comedians. It's very difficult to be funny, as is shown by NeoGAF threads, and it would be even harder to only rely on G rated jokes.
I didn't make the comic strip, ask the artist.Hey, can you show me an example of when that strip happened?
I definitely see where you're coming from, and some of these lines wouldn't fly today. There's still a world of difference here between Chappelle exaggerating the stereotypes of his own race under extraordinary circumstances and the jokes about Mexicans Schumer tells, but both comedians are generally employing the "I'm playing dumb/a character" thing that makes the absurdity land in a way that worse comedians can't manage.
Maybe a big part of this is also that Chappelle is way more charismatic and has his heart on his sleeve while Schumer is still a bit too distant and guarded for most people to be able to relate to her and see where she's coming from. That's why her sex comedy lands more than her race jokes.
It's a comic strip -- they are all about metaphor and hyperbole. You can't expect it to be a literal interpretation of actual events. Political cartoons rely on even more clumsy metaphor.Hey, can you show me an example of when that strip happened?
Is your argument that if people use someone else's work when trying to make a point, we can only question the original author and not the poster?I didn't make the comic strip, ask the artist.
Can we just use your own post as an example to prove that this comic strip isn't far off?
I simply cannot understand how your brain isn't seeing the comical irony about a comic strip portraying people being way too sensitive and taking comedians way too serious and you asking the poster to show evidence or to back up said claims on a comic that 1. he did not create and 2. is meant to be just a humorous web comic.
It's people like you that comedians like Seinfeld talk about when they say our generation is ruining comedy.
As for this comedian, I am Mexican and I find the working joke as a compliment. The other one about consensual sex I don't understand but that could just be because she needs to work on her material more.
I never used that comic to make a point, I used your post to make a point.Is your argument that if people use someone else's work when trying to make a point, we can only question the original author and not the poster?
I don't really understand how that consensual joke is supposed to work as a joke. Something like, "I love their passionate love-making. But now I prefer consensual" at least has a set up and punch line that builds from it.
Still not that funny.
I think her dumb character isn't obviously dumb enough to make it work.
Have you seen a clip of the joke in context? I have to imagine that she has some material before or after that punchline that talks about how Hispanic guys have trouble taking no for an answer. Out of context, the joke doesn't really work because there's no pre-existing stereotype for the audience to draw from. Not that that really excuses the joke or anything.
i always have issue with this sort of statement.
its old and tired to you, but its always new to SOMEONE.
What about this joke?
I'm trying to figure out what kind of pain Schumer is working through and expressing catharsis about through her jokes on Hispanic people. Is Amy Schumer Hispanic?
Not Schumer's pain. The pain of racism.
All humour extends from pain, if you really break it down. Every joke is at the expense of someone or something in some way. Even slipping on a banana peel is predicated upon an unfortunate situation. The most celebrated comedians talk about the dark sides of relationships, family, aging... there is always something "negative" at the core of any joke.
I've found out why people laugh. They laugh because it hurts so much . . . because it's the only thing that'll make it stop hurting.
― Robert A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land
I support social criticism of comedy. Those are conversations we need to have and our societies progress through them. But ultimately, asking for all comedy to be scrubbed of "offence" is essentially to scrub comedy. Without the painful centre, you don't have a joke.
I don't really understand how that consensual joke is supposed to work as a joke. Something like, "I love having passionate sex with them. But now I prefer consensual" at least has a set up and punch line that builds from it.
Still not that funny.
I think her dumb character isn't obviously dumb enough to make it work.
Not really. That's more of a rant, not a bit. It's an excellent point, but not exactly a funny one.
Actually, the issue is that "PC Fascists" (or better said, "the people who start campaigns against comedians") want to completely sidestep the performer/audience dynamic and use social media to amplify their objections so that it doesn't matter if they're funny and doesn't matter what kind of audience they want. The campaigners want that comedian's success to hinge on the outcome of some kind of weird trial-by-think-piece process, when really, this should all be self-regulating. If a performer is happy with the audience they get and the response they get from that audience, all is well, and if they aren't, they'll adjust on their own or quit. Twitter is not a necessary component, period.Interesting, I've had quite a bit of success in comedy by not telling shitty, insensitive jokes. Comedians that can't handle "PC fascists" putting their shticks on blast should probably re-evaluate how funny they actually are, and the kinds of audiences they want as their fans.
The issue then becomes one of balance. Are jokes aimed at the most privileged groups as harsh as those aimed at less privileged ones? Generally, jokes about women are meaner and more common than jokes about men (in an industry dominated by men). What's with jokes about gay people being so common? There's hardly ever jokes about being straight, and usually when there are, it's jokes told by straight people. At that point it becomes a criticism of the fact that the offensive jokes most often go to easy/easier targets than it is a criticism of general offensiveness.
Hmm, well, of course it's their job; but I can't honestly agree to that in the absolute sense kind of way. Told poorly, a "racist" or "bigoted" joke can create a situation where a racist audience will say, "see, see! I'm right!" instead of "huh, let me think about that for a moment." I don't know, I just don't see comedy as something that is so unique and separate from the world around us that it can be used to say whatever whichever anyone want just because.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRp3DJqDfOw
Here is a sample of her racial comedy. What do you think?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRp3DJqDfOw
Here is a sample of her racial comedy. What do you think?
I wonder if actually comedy clubs have been effected. Do people looking to be offended go watch these shows live or is it just online bluster
Your rewrite actually makes the joke say, "I used to enjoy being raped, but now I don't."I don't really understand how that consensual joke is supposed to work as a joke. Something like, "I love having passionate sex with them. But now I prefer consensual" at least has a set up and punch line that builds from it.
Still not that funny.
I think her dumb character isn't obviously dumb enough to make it work.
This image doesn't get defended because people hate the author.