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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRp3DJqDfOw
Here is a sample of her racial comedy. What do you think?
That was pretty terrible. Not in an offensive way, it was just shite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRp3DJqDfOw
Here is a sample of her racial comedy. What do you think?
Claiming a successful comedian "isn't funny" is idiotic.
Why is it always Gemini's causing the most drama?
Yeah let's just put the joke on reddit and see how many up votes it gets.
I mean, I wasn't even addressing nor even thinking about the later part of your post. I responded to a post which kinda said that saying you thought a joke just wasn't that funny is a lazy crticism of said joke and I'm like what the fuck do you want from people.
Yeah, but even a "positive stereotype" can be a bad thing. If you're Asian and not good at math it's probably annoying to have people toss that one around.
honest question here... are you being for real or are you saying this with irony?
Dane Cook was really successful at one time, right?
We should just cancel comedy and satire for this generation.
yes, that's what i said in what you quoted lol
it depends on how you use a stereotype. But the point is that you can definitely have positive stereotypes and negative stereotypes. If all stereotypes were negative then there would be no reason to call them "negative stereotypes" right? It would be like saying "positive racism" -- there is no such thing as being positive in racism. Unless you're trying to make some sort of satirical joke...
Dane Cook was really successful at one time, right?
Criticizing a comedians work for being racist, or sexist, or whatever is totally valid criticism. Some people act like the only criteria a comedian should be judged on is whether they make you laugh, and that bringing anything else into it is completely KILLING comedy. But really, there's more to it than that and lots of comedians will agree with that.
Comedians love when they are praised for their social commentary and the boundaries they push, so why can't they be criticized for their social commentary as well? They can't have it both ways, you can't choose when to be taken seriously.
Yeah i laughed and i find her very likable. I feel bad about it thoughhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRp3DJqDfOw
Here is a sample of her racial comedy. What do you think?
For the most part I believe that they don't mean any harm, doesn't mean no harm was done. A good response to criticism like this can go a long way. Not to say I need comedians to apologize and vow to never make a racist joke again, but at least take what people are saying seriously. I didn't really see that here.And once said comedian says their intentions of meaning no harm, do you believe them? Do the pitchforks go away? Or now we just go. "Oh, well you suck anyway for not being good."
I think those that believe in their craft/art and have good intentions just have to keep fighting the fight and take the punches as they roll.
I think the comics job is to find the envelope, and push it further. And that is what she does. Can't blame the woman, she's only doing her job, and it's funny. Grow up.
Irony: Telling people to grow up because they criticize something.
You can think that comedians should push the envelope while also thinking that the general public should always be critical of things that they take issue with.
Also sometimes you are just going to fail and risk looking real shitty to your audience.Irony: Telling people to grow up because they criticize something.
You can think that comedians should push the envelope while also thinking that the general public should always be critical of things that they take issue with.
Crossed some wires. Yeah comedy can definitely be lazy. There's a reason why plagiarism and hacky comedy is a thing. My comment was meant for the crowd who fall back on 'lazy writing' after they exhaust every other argument and fail at making anything stick.
That was pretty terrible. Not in an offensive way, it was just shite.
And fat! Don't forget that.Well, I knew based on how hard she was trying to be seen as funny that eventually she'd trip up somewhere. Now she's just an unfunny racist feminist.
The problem is that making fun of minorities on the basis of the stereotypes that the white majority has created for them is the opposite of pushing the envelope.I think the comics job is to find the envelope, and push it further. And that is what she does. Can't blame the woman, she's only doing her job, and it's funny. Grow up.
Everyone's a critic.
What are you asking here? Yes, people are criticizing her performance as a comedian. Why the jump to conclusions?What are we criticizing though? The performance? Or are we totally changing the rules of what falls under comedy?
OMG, a comedian was INSENSITIVE? Say it ain't so.
As a mexican, like many other mexicans in the thread, we don't really give a shit about the jokes, well maybe the rape joke since a lot of people are sore after Trump's idiocy, but the thing is just because we're less sensitive than SJW make it look like doens't mean it's okay the shit she's doing, because she's punching down.
That's like the only Rule of comedy, "Don't punch down", you punch down and you're an asshole, it's not funny to make fun of people who are having a harder time than you. That's going for low hanging fruit, that's the sort of thing that makes people call you a racist, and frankly her [non] apology even sounds like the typical "im not racist, but" bullshit.
I like the fallback of 'well its just not funny' when all other arguments fail.
Wow people are sensitive..
This isn't a big deal and I'm surprised there's this many pages in the thread
Comedians that lean on controversy usually aren't that funny.
What Schumer is describing here is a tricky feat and, as she writes in her defense, you have to trust her. But Id argue that Schumers sketches and jokes about race arent making fun of the minority group in question: they are making fun of the ignorance or discomfort that a specific type of white girl has about people of color.
When Schumer plays the girl for lack of a better term of art, Amy is playing That Girl, as in, Dont be that girl and shes leaning hard into unflattering-at-best stereotypes about people of color, the joke is on the white girl. The person who looks bad is not the person of color but the character Amy is playing. You dont walk away from those jokes thinking: Wow, she seems like a real smart cookie, Im sure everything shes saying is 100 percent accurate. You cringe on her behalf, and maybe, if you have ever been or been around That Girl, you feel a twinge of recognition.
Whether or not she it pulls off is a matter of taste, though as Schumer writes, she can tell the jokes are working because people laugh. If you watch clips of her standup, youll see that shes telling the truth. Maybe her audiences are predominately white; maybe whoever wouldnt find those jokes funny wouldnt find themselves in the crowd to begin with. But if people didnt laugh, shed cut the jokes out of her set.
Im a comedian is not an absolute defense against bad taste. Its not a Get Out Of Jail Free Card. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. And when comedians try to justify why a joke doesnt land, plenty opt out of allowing for the possibility that the joke was poorly constructed but choose to respond to that criticism with, Well, the problem is you, the audience, not me, the performer. Often this takes the form of insisting that people didnt laugh at some racist, homophobic or misogynist thing because people are politically correct to the point of being humorless. This was the gist of Jerry Seinfelds recent explanation for no longer playing campuses: college students are way too P.C.
The really questionable lines here are not in the bulk of Schumers work but in her response post: Trust me. I am not a racist. I am a devout feminist and lover of all people. My fight is for all people to be treated equally. Amys feminist bondafides are well established; she has arguably done as much, if not more, to advance conversations about feminism in 2015 than anyone else out there. But feminist cred isnt a shield against accusations of racism. I dont think Schumers jokes are racist, but I also dont think Im a feminist is a good way of refuting that claim.
The thing I don't get is that from what I gather her usual fare is about casual sexism in the media. Shouldn't she understand why people are annoyed and be able to respond more appropriately?Well, if you want me to put it in other words, I definitely DON'T find it funny at all for her to personally take aim at A recovering substance abuser and openly mocking him about the passing of his close friend. I don't find it funny that she perpetuates a stereotype of Latino males being serial rapists, I don't find it funny she insults black culture, and I don't find it heroic that she's doubling down and saying a joke is a joke and deal with it. Those 'harmless' types are stereotypes aren't harmless. She's a really respected and intellectualized figure in comedy. I'm not saying I'm appalled or offended, but what she is doing is not socially empowering at all, especially in a society that is becoming increasingly racially tensioned.
Yeah, this has been a weird problem in "white feminism" forever. I really don't understand how she doesn't see it. Rentahamster's link says what I was thinking about how her saying "I'm not racist" on its own isn't a defense. That's what everyone says. (I don't think she actually is either, but she could check herself and understand why her gender comedy works better.)The thing I don't get is that from what I gather her usual fare is about casual sexism in the media. Shouldn't she understand why people are annoyed and be able to respond more appropriately?
That was pretty terrible. Not in an offensive way, it was just shite.
Here is a (sort of) defense of Amy from Think Progress.
http://thinkprogress.org/culture/20...-amy-schumers-alleged-blind-spot-around-race/
What are we criticizing though? The performance? Or are we totally changing the rules of what falls under comedy?
Also sometimes you are just going to fail and risk looking real shitty to your audience.
Understood. I think there's something to be said about how discourse unfolds on the internet and how often people can't make the distinction between who someone is and what they said when debating these rather sensitive topics and issues. If I was criticiquing her humor for being racist or whatever I would honestly make it clear that I'm only talking about a certain joke she made that came off as racist to me. I wouldn't say I thought she is racist for making it because that's a completely differently discussion. People on the Internet sometimes don't make these distinctions and that's why these discussions go to shit a lot.
It seems plain as day to me.See, your middle quote explains how the joke is meant to be read. I know the bit the jokes are in and it's not like she jumps straight to the racial stuff, there's a certain amount of set up that she does first to establish the character of "That Girl." She's supposed to make the character look racist because that's the joke.