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[FoneBone]

just read this one...weird. I didn't read the first parts of this story but from what i gathered, it's a retcon of One More Day?

Spoiler

instead of mephisto arranging it strange, iron man, and mr.fantastic mindwhipe the planet? How did they explain that it wasn't mephisto in the previous issues? wtf? Also, the whole thing with them both still knowing and MJ wanting to break up with him is retarded. marvel should have just left this one alone, it was completely ungenuine from the characters.

No, this is what happened in the timeline after Mephisto altered it.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

X-Force: Sex & Violence #3. Which, given the title, means said panel should come as no surprise; still, it was an unexpected conclusion.

Spoiler

X-23 leads X-Force to rescue Domino and Wolverine from the Assassin's Guild. Domino donates $200M of the stolen Guild money to a charitable organization, and keeps about $37M for herself. She then tries to bribe an unhappy Logan into letting her keep that money, first with a Mustang convertible to replace the car destroyed in #1 -- and then with a BJ as they drive away into the sunset.

Ugh - got to go with Darwyn Cooke on this.

 

[woodypop]

So who was the rightful owner of

Spoiler

the Eye of Agamemnonthingamabobber

?!

 

[Zabka]

Ugh - got to go with Darwyn Cooke on this.

Dr. Hurt says HELL NO!

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Dr. Hurt says HELL NO!

Not saying you can't have sexy, fun, crazy comics.

Just don't have a Batman/Spiderman/Superman to fit all of those markets.

Imagine, the oddest possibility, a parent takes their kid to the comic shop to buy a Wolverine comic and the kid picks this shit up.

What's it going to be? Kid friendly Wolverine, or deep dicking action Wolverine? You can't have it both fucking ways.

MAKE A NEW CHARACTER!

Blowverine™ <= See I just made that shit up, and now I owns it. GODDAMN!

 

[comedy bomb]

Not saying you can't have sexy, fun, crazy comics.

Just don't have a Batman/Spiderman/Superman to fit all of those markets.

Imagine, the oddest possibility, a parent takes their kid to the comic shop to buy a Wolverine comic and the kid picks this shit up.

What's it going to be? Kid friendly Wolverine, or deep dicking action Wolverine? You can't have it both fucking ways.

MAKE A NEW CHARACTER!

Blowverine™ <= See I just made that shit up, and now I owns it. GODDAMN!

I would hope a parent wouldn't pick up a book subtitled "Sex and Violence" for their child. Plus there is the whole 'Explicit Content' warning on the cover.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

I would hope a parent wouldn't pick up a book subtitled "Sex and Violence" for their child. Plus there is the whole 'Explicit Content' warning on the cover.

Trust me.

I worked in a comic shop. It happens, and if I wasn't in that day it would slip past. In one case it did and the shop ended up on the local news. :lol

Dumb stuff happens all the time.

I still have that instinct when I go into shops and try to encourage the shop owner to bag inappropriate material.

Anyhow my point stands.

Stop being all things to everyone! Create new damned characters. BAM!

 

[Zabka]

Are you advocating making new characters for little kids or taking the most popular characters and making them G-rated?

 

[Escape Goat]

Are you advocating making new characters for little kids or taking the most popular characters and making them G-rated?

Marvel has the ALL AGES books which are the Spider-Man, X-Men, Hulk, etc that is written and drawn for the kiddies. Its a neat marketing strategy.

 

[Parallax]

Are you advocating making new characters for little kids or taking the most popular characters and making them G-rated?

I agree with what hes saying. Its kinda ridiculous to have a character killing and giving and or receiving oral sex in one comic, and having them standing amongst other heroes triumphantly fighting evil and acting in a completely different manner. Like mentioned, that could have easily been another character in logans shoes, but they decidee to use him and make his personality even more confusing

 

[comedy bomb]

I agree with what hes saying. Its kinda ridiculous to have a character killing and giving and or receiving oral sex in one comic, and having them standing amongst other heroes triumphantly fighting evil and acting in a completely different manner. Like mentioned, that could have easily been another character in logans shoes, but they decidee to use him and make his personality even more confusing

But see companies like to make money, and new characters are a sales risk.

 

[favouriteflavour]

Brightest Day has been one big flop. I guess Johns blew his load with Blackest Night.

It is just taking so long for anything to happen that everything seems inconsequential. How can so much be happening and yet it is so boring. Like the 2nd and 3rd PotC movies!

 

[Zabka]

I agree with what hes saying. Its kinda ridiculous to have a character killing and giving and or receiving oral sex in one comic, and having them standing amongst other heroes triumphantly fighting evil and acting in a completely different manner. Like mentioned, that could have easily been another character in logans shoes, but they decidee to use him and make his personality even more confusing

That's just the nature of the popular corporate superhero. Every writer puts their own spin on it.

Plus the mentioned X-Force comic only exists to sell a more adult Wolverine comic featuring his slashy friends. Replacing him would be nowhere near easy.

 

[WascallyWabbit]

hey question for the other ppl reading Thanos Imperative:

did they ever explain why drax went back to the old outfit/look???

 

[krypt0nian]

It is just taking so long for anything to happen that everything seems inconsequential. How can so much be happening and yet it is so boring. Like the 2nd and 3rd PotC movies!

Hrmph. I've really liked it since issue 7 actually. Before that not so much.

 

[favouriteflavour]

Hrmph. I've really liked it since issue 7 actually. Before that not so much.

I'm putting it as worse than 52, better than countdown. I might start reading legion of superheroes though!

 

[Ponn]

hey question for the other ppl reading Thanos Imperative:

did they ever explain why drax went back to the old outfit/look???

Not particularly but I just assumed it was more of an instinctual change with the coming back of Thanos. A shame, I liked his commando look better.

 

[Odious Tea]

Read these this morning. Have a pretty packed weekend ahead of me, hopefully I can make it through all of them by next Wednesday.

Batman #703 - Pretty good prelude. I like nice, in-and-out, standalone stories now and again.
Batman and Robin #14 - I will eat crow. Irving has improved tenfold and Morrison is just as good as ever. For comparison, #13 Joker and #14 Joker. Why weren't you doing this from the beginning, Irving?

Amazing Spider-Man #641 - It's a retcon. And as far as they go, I kinda enjoyed it. Rivera's art was clearly the highlight. Glad this is all behind us now. The cover for #6412 D) looks INCREDIBLE. And Waid is penning it, can't wait to get to it.

 

[tim1138]

I'm putting it as worse than 52, better than countdown. I might start reading legion of superheroes though!

You absolutely should start reading Legion of Superheroes, it is outstanding.

 

[FoneBone]

better than countdown.

That's not saying much.

I believe Brightest Day will eventually get somewhere interesting, but it's too... damn... slow... for me to care. And I have a very hard time caring about much of anything other than the Deadman plot.

 

[Littleberu]

Batman and Robin #14 - I will eat crow. Irving has improved tenfold and Morrison is just as good as ever. For comparison, #13 Joker and #14 Joker. Why weren't you doing this from the beginning, Irving?.

Oh god I can't stand his art. Fuck.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Read these this morning. Have a pretty packed weekend ahead of me, hopefully I can make it through all of them by next Wednesday.

Batman #703 - Pretty good prelude. I like nice, in-and-out, standalone stories now and again.
Batman and Robin #14 - I will eat crow. Irving has improved tenfold and Morrison is just as good as ever. For comparison, #13 Joker and #14 Joker. Why weren't you doing this from the beginning, Irving?

Amazing Spider-Man #641 - It's a retcon. And as far as they go, I kinda enjoyed it. Rivera's art was clearly the highlight. Glad this is all behind us now. The cover for #641 looks INCREDIBLE. And Waid is penning it, can't wait to get to it.

If you mean 642, it's already out. They both came out the same week.

 

[Odious Tea]

If you mean 642, it's already out. They both came out the same week.

Oh, I know. I just won't be able to get to it until at least this evening. And even then I wanna break up Spidey with some other books.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Amazing Spider-Man is a such a shitty book. The explanation for the mind wipe is worse than "it's magic". And that last page...that last fucking page.

 

[favouriteflavour]

You absolutely should start reading Legion of Superheroes, it is outstanding.

Are the legion book and the adventure comics books linked?

 

[Parallax]

That's just the nature of the popular corporate superhero. Every writer puts their own spin on it.

Plus the mentioned X-Force comic only exists to sell a more adult Wolverine comic featuring his slashy friends. Replacing him would be nowhere near easy.

theres already a character with claws thats into shit like that. it would have been easy to swap him into the picture and swap logan out

 

[krypt0nian]

Are the legion book and the adventure comics books linked?

Very loosely and only because the LSH is in both. The Johns run was the current Legion timeline, whereas the Levitz issues are telling stories of when they first got together.

Neither are required reading to further the plot of the main LSH book.

 

[Odious Tea]

Amazing Spider-Man is a such a shitty book. The explanation for the mind wipe is worse than "it's magic". And that last page...that last fucking page.

So, did you like it?

 

[Spike Spiegel]

Concept-wise, I like Adventure Comics more than LoSH -- following Superboy and Legion in their early days, retro costumes and all. Execution-wise, I like LoSH more though. It's confounding.

 

[VGChampion]

I was underwhelmed a little this week. I can't stand Irving's art in Batman and Robin right now and I just don't really like the gross villains like Pyg. I liked the last few arcs in the series but bringing back the early stuff with this art just isn't doing it for me.

And New Avengers I didn't really like but that could be because I barely know some of these characters and don't know what their pasts are.

I need some Fables / Invincible.

 

[tim1138]

So my comic shop inexplicably had ASM 642 but not 641. How did the train wreck that was One Moment In Time end?

 

[thetrin]

Ugh - got to go with Darwyn Cooke on this.

I'm with Cooke as well, though a LOT of his hate seems to be leveled at Miller, rather than the publishers. (I hate most of Miller's work, so I'm right there with him)

 

[Ephemeris]

Didn't even realize it was BAT-WEEK.

BATGIRL #14 - I was wondering when this Team-up was gonna happen. 24 Draculas.
BATMAN #703 - Surprisingly this was the best bat-book of the week. Dick = great acrobat, bad bug-placer.
BATMAN AND ROBIN #14 - Surprisingly not the best bat-book of the week. #13 was soo good.
BATMAN: ODYSSEY #3 (OF 12) - *sigh*
RED ROBIN #16 - Not its best issue, but it wasn't terrible.

Batman 703 > Batman & Robin > Red Robin ties with 24 Draculas > Batman Odyssey

Dr. Hurt says HELL NO!

:lol Cheers to crime.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Jesus, Thor: The Mighty Avenger is such a fantastic comic book.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Amazing Spider-Man is a such a shitty book. The explanation for the mind wipe is worse than "it's magic". And that last page...that last fucking page.

Yeah, holy god. I was actually a little bit with it at the end, I could see where it was coming from but holy shit. Read some Daredevil: Man Without Fear some time. Learn how to make a proper last page on the reals.

 

[f0rk]

Yeah, holy god. I was actually a little bit with it at the end, I could see where it was coming from but holy shit. Read some Daredevil: Man Without Fear some time. Learn how to make a proper last page on the reals.

What's the best jumping on point (in trades) for daredevil? I've just been hearing good things about it and nearly done with x-men.

 

[gdt]

Bendis's run (regarding, Daredevil).

Amazing Spider-man: Boy...lets just forget about OMIT, shall we?

Part Dues- Awesome issue, back to regular free flowing high adventure ASM. The way Peter was drawn was pretty funny to me :lol .

Green Lantern: Meh. I don't like Johns forcing Carol on me, especially when she, and her relationship with Hal has ZERO development...or really, anything to it at all. There is absolutely nothing there.

Best part, as always, was Larfleeze. Had me cracking up all issue.

I'll read the rest later.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Bendis's run (regarding, Daredevil).

Amazing Spider-man: Boy...lets just forget about OMIT, shall we?

Part Dues- Awesome issue, back to regular free flowing high adventure ASM. The way Peter was drawn was pretty funny to me :lol .

Green Lantern: Meh. I don't like Johns forcing Carol on me, especially when she, and her relationship with Hal has ZERO development...or really, anything to it at all. There is absolutely nothing there.

Best part, as always, was Larfleeze. Had me cracking up all issue.

I'll read the rest later.

hal and Carol have had a relationship for the whole character's life (50 years) what are you talking about, forcing it?

 

[gdt]

hal and Carol have had a relationship for the whole character's life (50 years) what are you talking about, forcing it?

I couldn't care less about that.

Johns is just resting on those books, without adding to them, in terms of Hal and Carol. There's literally nothing there.

 

[Littleberu]

I couldn't care less about that.

Johns is just resting on those books, without adding to them, in terms of Hal and Carol. There's literally nothing there.

Well, I'm reading Rage of the Red Lanterns right now, and it's foreshadowed to hell and back that she needs Hal in her life, and Hal needs her, too.

 

[gdt]

Well, I'm reading Rage of the Red Lanterns right now, and it's foreshadowed to hell and back that she needs Hal in her life, and Hal needs her, too.

IIRC, it's said, but it's never really felt.

She "needs" him, because of 50 years of stuff that Johns didn't write. And Johns hasn't really made me believe that at all. He hasn't even tried!

It doesn't bother me all that much (because Johns never puts any character drama at the forefront of this book), but it does when Carol is a major focus.

That's it.

 

[KidGalactus]

Amazing Spider-Man is a such a shitty book. The explanation for the mind wipe is worse than "it's magic". And that last page...that last fucking page.

What was on the last page?

She "needs" him, because of 50 years of stuff that Johns didn't write. And Johns hasn't really made me believe that at all. He hasn't even tried!

Geoff Johns is such a fucking joke. Has he ever written anything that wasn't boring? Has he ever written anything good?

 

[gdt]

Geoff Johns is such a fucking joke. Has he ever written anything that wasn't boring? Has he ever written anything good?

Hey now, I didn't say that. I very much enjoy GL, I'm just saying that character based drama (at least in this book) isn't something that Johns succeeds at. Or even tries to do.

 

[Littleberu]

Geoff Johns is such a fucking joke. Has he ever written anything that wasn't boring? Has he ever written anything good?

I'm sorry, what? Geoff Johns is the guy that put me back in Comic books.

 

[Blader]

Geoff Johns is such a fucking joke. Has he ever written anything that wasn't boring? Has he ever written anything good?

The answer to both is no.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

I'm with Cooke as well, though a LOT of his hate seems to be leveled at Miller, rather than the publishers. (I hate most of Miller's work, so I'm right there with him)

We can't lay this all at Miller's feet. He may have been one of the front runners for this trend, but plenty of other writers have joined in the game - Dr. Light raping Sue Dibney for example.

Really if you think about it, Comics in the West is the only market I can think of where characters must be all things to everyone.

In animation Mickey Mouse is always Mickey Mouse. There's never a Grim & Gritty Mickey. An Indian Mickey. A Mickey for kids. Etc.

I'm trying to think of video games, and for the most part game companies are pretty consistent too. Mario is always Mario. You won't see a Grand Theft Mario or Red Dead Mushroom Kingdom.

So why are comics so desperate?

 

[Parallax]

We can't lay this all at Miller's feet. He may have been one of the front runners for this trend, but plenty of other writers have joined in the game - Dr. Light raping Sue Dibney for example.

Really if you think about it, Comics in the West is the only market I can think of where characters must be all things to everyone.

In animation Mickey Mouse is always Mickey Mouse. There's never a Grim & Gritty Mickey. An Indian Mickey. A Mickey for kids. Etc.

I'm trying to think of video games, and for the most part game companies are pretty consistent too. Mario is always Mario. You won't see a Grand Theft Mario or Red Dead Mushroom Kingdom.

So why are comics so desperate?

Does sd variants that cutefy their characters count? If so, then just about every major japanese gaming company falls victim to that one. Like capcom and its pocket/puzzle fighter series. For some reason, american comic companies seem afraid to take advantage of the backlog of characters that they have, and feel the need to stick with their major characters(like dc and their ethnic purging, and marvels rotation of a handful of characters.)

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Does sd variants that cutefy their characters count? If so, then just about every major japanese gaming company falls victim to that one. Like capcom and its pocket/puzzle fighter series. For some reason, american comic companies seem afraid to take advantage of the backlog of characters that they have, and feel the need to stick with their major characters(like dc and their ethnic purging, and marvels rotation of a handful of characters.)

I wouldn't count SD / "Kids" versions (Virtua Fighter Kids) as they're clearly designed as joke / novelties. Not series spin off franchises, although didn't Ah My Goddess have an SD anime? As well as SD Gundam? Still I don't believe the core content of these series changed drastically, outside of playing it more for jokes.

It's not as if AMG was super serious business to begin with.

I think the best American take on SD is Tiny Titans. It exists on it's own.

 

[Parallax]

I wouldn't count SD / "Kids" versions (Virtua Fighter Kids) as they're clearly designed as joke / novelties. Not series spin off franchises, although didn't Ah My Goddess have an SD anime? As well as SD Gundam? Still I don't believe the core content of these series changed drastically, outside of playing it more for jokes.

It's not as if AMG was super serious business to begin with.

I think the best American take on SD is Tiny Titans. It exists on it's own.

To be fair though, certain characters(indian spider-man) are pure novelty as well. Theres no attempt to go any further with the character since it was a kind of joke to begin with. Most novelty ideas dont last very long, or are just looks into alternative ideas, which to be fair, i do wish that other industries would do. What if/elseworlds variants of manga/anime/games would be nice to see.

 

[Coins]

ASM 642 is the most horribly drawn comic Ive ever read.

Ever.