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Help me out here...

I just read "I Kill Giants" for the GAF Comic book club and I loved it. I'd love to get back into reading comics again but I have no clue where to start. Ideally I'd like to stay away from mainstream stuff like Batman, Superman, Spiderman Xmen, etc... Can someone suggest some titles I may like. Superhero comics are OK, I just want to avoid the more popular stuff

You should give Irredeemable a try. really interesting take on the superhero genre, at least in my limited experience.
 
Yep, Gillen (and possibly McKelvie) on Young Avengers Vol. 2, or something close enough. I need this now, seriously.

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I'll probably give Gillen's book a try after reading and liking some of JiM but dropping it because of it's large amount of crossovers.
 
Finally read my books.

Spider-Men: Well that ending was swell. It was an okay series but I was only impressed with the artist. I wonder how/if they will play this out. Sequel or within the books with a crossover.

Justice League: I like the honesty of what a kid would do with superpowers. The whole development of Billy has been the highlight of JL.
 
Finally read my books.

Spider-Men: Well that ending was swell. It was an okay series but I was only impressed with the artist. I wonder how/if they will play this out. Sequel or within the books with a crossover.

Justice League: I like the honesty of what a kid would do with superpowers. The whole development of Billy has been the highlight of JL.

Yep, they have absolutely nailed Billy. It's been great.
 
But didn't Waid write all three issues of that "crossover"? Why would you not follow him to those other issues? (I think he only co-wrote Punisher but that was with Greg Rucka, so...?)

I don't really understand being into a creator's work until he writes a story that crosses over with something else, all of a sudden that's not the book you signed on for? It's still Waid's book.

Was that the case in the Amazing Spider-man/Daredevil two-parter? Because I just assumed Slott wrote the first part and decided to just read the Daredevil half and piece things together.

Regarding the three part crossover, I figured that the story might be important to Rucka's Punisher run which I also plan to read eventually. I stopped reading Daredevil until I could get a hold of the Punisher stuff leading into it.

I'm reading all of these books a year or two late, usually just buying runs online. I guess it is easier to anticipate crossovers if you are reading month to month. The issue then is having to spend more money than you would like to follow the stories in one title. The X-Titles were bad for that in the 90s.
 
Was that the case in the Amazing Spider-man/Daredevil two-parter? Because I just assumed Slott wrote the first part and decided to just read the Daredevil half and piece things together.

Regarding the three part crossover, I figured that the story might be important to Rucka's Punisher run which I also plan to read eventually. I stopped reading Daredevil until I could get a hold of the Punisher stuff leading into it.

I'm reading all of these books a year or two late, usually just buying runs online. I guess it is easier to anticipate crossovers if you are reading month to month. The issue then is having to spend more money than you would like to follow the stories in one title. The X-Titles were bad for that in the 90s.

Waid wrote both for the ASM crossover, it was enjoyable too, my only gripe is i don't pay attention to solicits to books i am 100% buying, so i didn't appreciate the hoop jumping to follow Daredevil. If they're going to have a crossover, having everything written by the same guy is the best.
 
They need to formally announce that Gillen book ASAP brah is a storytelling artist. Hopefully they don't shoehorn a kid Punisher or something.

Kid Punisher can be their villain. Instead of killing villains, He punishes people for disagreeing with him online by killing them in fires.
 
Help me out here...

I just read "I Kill Giants" for the GAF Comic book club and I loved it. I'd love to get back into reading comics again but I have no clue where to start. Ideally I'd like to stay away from mainstream stuff like Batman, Superman, Spiderman Xmen, etc... Can someone suggest some titles I may like. Superhero comics are OK, I just want to avoid the more popular stuff.

To give you an idea of what I liked and disliked when I collected comics a long time ago he's a list of titles with comments.

X-Men - Dislike.
Batman - used to love Batman but the comics may be a bit too popular these days
Green Hornet - Loved this character
Beautiful Stories for Ugly Children (DC/Vertigo) - Loved it
Blue Beetle - Loved the "classic" BB
Watchmen - Loved it
Sandman Mystery Theater - Great comic
Doc Savage - Love the character.

Invincible by Robert Kirkman.
 
Whelp, this is the time to get out of the Ultimate line. Ultimates 15 sucked, X-Men sucked for years and Miles Morales is completely uninteresting to me as a character.
 
Whelp, this is the time to get out of the Ultimate line. Ultimates 15 sucked, X-Men sucked for years and Miles Morales is completely uninteresting to me as a character.
I thought the latest issue of Ultimates was really good, probably the best of the current arc.
 
Overall I found Spider-Men a pretty shitty event. The only issue that had plenty of good stuff was issue 4, and that was because it was what we all wanted to see. 616 Peter talking to Ultimate May/Stacey/etc. The rest was just a whole lotta nothing. Really dislike that the last issue didn't have more of those emotional character beats. Also no meeting with MJ....super disappointing.
 
Overall I found Spider-Men a pretty shitty event. The only issue that had plenty of good stuff was issue 4, and that was because it was what we all wanted to see. 616 Peter talking to Ultimate May/Stacey/etc. The rest was just a whole lotta nothing. Really dislike that the last issue didn't have more of those emotional character beats. Also no meeting with MJ....super disappointing.

It'll probably happen in the sequel. Either Bendis finishes this in Ultimate or Slott (or whoever comes after him) gets to play with this a little bit.
 
Ultimate Spider-Men did one thing right: It gave May closure. Which sort of fits since her role is done in the story, Miles has his family to deal with.
 
Stokoes Godzilla and Revival was both really good this week. That Amethyst 0 though was horribly written. Like terrible.
 
Gaf rule: When someone adds a book to their pre-order based on a couple people saying it's so so good, you are not allowed to then post how bad it is because it makes me frown.
 
The big 2 are going to have to change or they'll continue to lose quality creators. The opportunity to make a decent buck with creator-owned comics is becoming more viable.

Not sure what they can do when they handcuff writers to continuity and heavy editorial, but the old school sweatshop business model won't keep employees happy.

Or maybe they really don't care as long as they keep mass producing the fast food.

Marvel and DC could use their cachet and considerable market reach to grow the industry in a perfect world. Vertigo is great! It needs more of a push. Icon just feels like Marvel's house loyalty (I have a more incendiary term I generally use) imprint for Fritchman, Bendis, and despite nearly everything he writes feeling like a movie pitch - Millar seems to be using Icon the most.

Does anybody else remember about a year or two ago when Marvel was hinting at bringing back the Epic imprint? That could have been fantastic, especially since the hyperbole deficient 20-something children just adore that played out exclamation. Epic Illustrated was a fantastic anthology.

However, now Marvel and DC (mostly Marvel) run business like SABMiller repackaging their piss-water to take up shelf space. How many Spider-man, Batman, Avengers, X-Men, Wolverine, etc. titles do we really need?

It's more insulting when you take Rucka, and every other writer's commentary into account. It doesn't matter if these books are quality. So long as they come out and sell to the same audience that always buys them.

I could keep pulling examples from other media, but really - it's endemic of all media (film, television, music, and comics) that the corporate interests keep selling the shit they already own instead of. . . say doing something crazy and letting a new creator come in, give them a fair deal, and let them run wild.

It's really a shame, and doubly insulting in light of the American corporate personhood.

Comic creators need to get all V on that ass.

Creators shouldn't be afraid of the corporations. Corporations should be afraid of the creators! >:|

How's Manhattan Projects?

It's pretty good (Not a fan of the Quietly inspired art). Like I've said in the past - Jonathan Hickman is the writer Grant Morrisson used to be before his talent jumped the ego shark. Big, interesting ideas, and fascinating execution.

Black Spiderman is pretty chill but brah needs his own villains.

Stokoe's art on Godzilla is fucking INSANE.

Miles Morales is the Ultimate Spiderman we should have had when the book launched. Not a warmed over Peter Parker. Suck it Ultimates fans, that shit was just regurgitating mamas food for you.

I wish Stokoe's writing weren't so anachronistic. Characters in the 1950's (IIRC) speaking like contemporary people in the first issue. :|

Whatever. Giant fucking laser shooting lizards!

Speaking of lizards spewing.

KREMOS!

Was in the library gathering Hellboy reference material and found an issue of Craig Yoe's Arf! There was an article on Italian phenom Niso Raponi, aka Kremos. Can you guess his specialty?!


What a fantastic artist!

Time to look for a collection of it.
 
Comixology: Thanos Sale, aka time to buy Annihilation. :D

Annihilation is in the "must-read" territory, definitely buy it people! It's out of print at lot too so for $6 there is no going wrong. DO IT. Kill Audio and Key of Z are also on sale along with an Amory Wars 3...any opinions on these gaf?

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I thought Icon would have more titles, and sometimes I think Marvel is ignoring it to ensure superhero remains in the focus. That could be the source to keep their creators happy.
If they're not thrilled about making another mundane crossover event, Marvel can say they can follow it up with an Icon title of their choice without editorial interference. Marvel probably wouldn't allow it to be actually creator-owned, but it could provide the creative freedom that writers crave.
 
I thought Icon would have more titles, and sometimes I think Marvel is ignoring it to ensure superhero remains in the focus. That could be the source to keep their creators happy.
If they're not thrilled about making another mundane crossover event, Marvel can say they can follow it up with an Icon title of their choice without editorial interference. Marvel probably wouldn't allow it to be actually creator-owned, but it could provide the creative freedom that writers crave.

Yeah, Icon isn't really used as much as it could/should be. Someone mentioned it upthread, but Icon is really a place to keep a few of their top guys (Brubaker, Fraction, Bendis, and Millar in case he decides to do some more Marvel stuff in the future) happy and those four dudes are pretty much it. But it doesn't even function as that anymore: Fraction and Brubaker are doing their creator-owned things with Chaykin and Phillips respectively with Image now.
 
I thought Icon would have more titles, and sometimes I think Marvel is ignoring it to ensure superhero remains in the focus. That could be the source to keep their creators happy.
If they're not thrilled about making another mundane crossover event, Marvel can say they can follow it up with an Icon title of their choice without editorial interference. Marvel probably wouldn't allow it to be actually creator-owned, but it could provide the creative freedom that writers crave.

Yeah, I feel we need to reach a detente with the corporations and the creators. Just meet at an agreeable place where rights can revert, royalties (from comics, toys, animation, video games, etc.) can be paid to creators and their offspring so long as revenue is generated off the IP, etc.

Working together creators and corporations can achieve more. The Brave New World / 1984 model of human fealty to the corporation is not the way to go.

Each of us will come to the end of this life
On Earth, he who can earn it should fight
For the glory of his name; fame after death
Is the noblest of goals. - Beowulf 1386 - 1389

As humans we don't want our lives to have been for naught. Even if it is the ultimate fate of mankind if we don't seek life elsewhere in the universe.
 
I never thought that a random Doop cameo in Runaways like 8 years would lead to him being the best character of 2012
 
Doop is such a pimp!

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You just know all those girls are dying to get some time with him...lol!

In case anybody doesn't speak Doop, he's said:

"I think I'm good right where I'm at. Too bad you didn't ask back when being an X-Man still meant something."

and

"Suit yourself."
 
After going through the Marvel NOW solits and announcements, I was struck on the huge ratio of books I am excited for. Much like the New52, thus move looks to be a majorly positive move in my eyes.

There are a couple huge missteps that I'll skip (Battle Royal mess), but overall I'm onboard big time. :)
 
Marvel NOW: Excited about Hopeless's X-Force, Hickman's Avengers, and Uncanny Avengers so far. Possibly Gillen's IM and his teen book.

Don't care about a lot of the books at present moment.
 
I'm mixed on Marvel Now, i'll be giving a lot of books a shot so it has a chance to impress, but it's hard to be excited about Marvel at a time when AvX is happening. I'm hoping we get some FF/Fantastic Four/Uncanny X-Force quality runs out of it.
 
I'm mixed on Marvel Now, i'll be giving a lot of books a shot so it has a chance to impress, but it's hard to be excited about Marvel at a time when AvX is happening. I'm hoping we get some FF/Fantastic Four/Uncanny X-Force quality runs out of it.

Hickman's Avengers is my best bet. The rest, I really don't know; Bendis on the X-Men seems to be playing all his weaknesses, but maybe that will inspire him to do good work again.
 
I'm mixed on Marvel Now, i'll be giving a lot of books a shot so it has a chance to impress, but it's hard to be excited about Marvel at a time when AvX is happening. I'm hoping we get some FF/Fantastic Four/Uncanny X-Force quality runs out of it.

The Avengers stuff should be good as long as the books are not forced to spend half of every year tying into Marvel's annual event miniseries like Bendis' stuff was. Hickman and Remender are both long term planners, so hopefully they will be given leeway to carry out those plans without too many interruptions.

I will probably try out most of the X-books for at least a month. Not sure about Fantastic Four, Captain America, or Iron Man yet, but I will probably try those as well. Not too keen on some of the art choices for those books though. I used to really like JRJr back when he was on Spider-man, but I am not the biggest fan of his current stuff.

FF looks like fun, and Waid's Hulk will probably be great.
 
In defense of events, Brubaker didn't let anything get in the way of the best Captain America since Eglehart. But then again, no one should be required to show such incredible adaptation skills.
 
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