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[frye]

Morrison and Millar's relationship is so heartbreaking. It's very much so like that bond between Obi Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker and his fall to the dark side.

"You were supposed to save us from cheap comics, not make them."

"I HATE YOU."

Have you seen this... gosh it's like a local news feature about Morrison in the 90s, mainly focused on Animal Man... and Millar's like a teenager and he's being interviewed about Morrison's stuff. I think this might've been before they even met

 

[Zombine]

Have you seen this... gosh it's like a local news feature about Morrison in the 90s, mainly focused on Animal Man... and Millar's like a teenager and he's being interviewed about Morrison's stuff. I think this might've been before they even met

Lol on the flip side, look at what Millar said when he was asked about how Morrison basically put his rep on the line to get him that job at DC:

“Grant, very graciously, just came on board for the first four issues to make sure that DC selected me above anyone else pitching for the gig (a few other writers had been mooted and I doubt I was the most likely). I’d tried to get a couple of books in the past, but was over-looked …. It was very, very decent of him, actually.”

Lol that struggle to say "thank you." Grant basically made everyone attached to that book and he did it because he saw something in him.

This is legit my favorite behind the scene comic story ever. It's LITERALLY Episode 1-3.

 

[Filthy Slug]

At least we know who to blame for the horseshit entity that is Mark Millar.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Man Quantum & Woody is so funny. I haven't laughed so many times reading a comic since Hawkeye.

They need to make an Adult Swim cartoon or something.

 

[Hagi]

very, very decent is Scottish for fuck that baldy twat

 

[Zombine]

At least we know who to blame for the horseshit entity that is Mark Millar.

Thanks Oba-Grant Morrison.

very, very decent is Scottish for fuck that baldy twat

Lol9

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Have you seen this... gosh it's like a local news feature about Morrison in the 90s, mainly focused on Animal Man... and Millar's like a teenager and he's being interviewed about Morrison's stuff. I think this might've been before they even met

Haven't seen that, but back in '89 Grant actually to talk with Mark Millar back when he writing for FA

They seem bound to be together forever...

 

[BuddyJoeHooker]

Valiant is coming to my city's con! @_@

 

[Zombine]

How 'bout that creepy pig tho?

 

[ViewtifulJC]

How 'bout that creepy pig tho?

Wow, I thought you said you liked Mark Millar

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Valiant is coming to my city's con! @_@

I'm like the one guy who would actually blow a gasket if they came to my con, and they're not coming to my con. lol

 

[Filthy Slug]

A solid bit of their relationship is exposed in the backmatter of Invisibles. They were seriously BFFs drinking champagne straight from the bottle through each others' intertwined, star-crossed arms.

 

[my name is ed]

That reminds me of a convo I had this last weekend with a indie comics writer about Millar vs Morrison and some Quitely in there. He *hates* Millar's work and is quite solidly in Morrison's camp. I can't hate Millar. His writing has been bad sometimes but his work is mostly entertaining and he makes artists rich

 

[Hagi]

How 'bout that creepy pig tho?

That's the reflection of his soul

 

[Zombine]

Wow, I thought you said you liked Mark Millar

Grant: Because he was an Agent of Chaos, as far as I could see. I don’t think that Kid Eternity could be described as a bulwark of the DC Universe and nobody seemed to care when I had him homosexually assaulted by his grandfather.
Mark: Well, sexual assault seems to be DC policy these days.
Grant: That wicked tongue will land you in trouble some day.

 

[frye]

Lol on the flip side, look at what Millar said when he was asked about how Morrison basically put his rep on the line to get him that job at DC:

“Grant, very graciously, just came on board for the first four issues to make sure that DC selected me above anyone else pitching for the gig (a few other writers had been mooted and I doubt I was the most likely). I’d tried to get a couple of books in the past, but was over-looked …. It was very, very decent of him, actually.”

Lol that struggle to say "thank you." Grant basically made everyone attached to that book and he did it because he saw something in him.

This is legit my favorite behind the scene comic story ever. It's LITERALLY Episode 1-3.

nah, I think Millar is being sincere there (or at least, his intention is to be sincere). Every time he's asked about Morrison he's almost nothing but gracious (this interview for instance)

Haven't seen that, but back in '89 Grant actually to talk with Mark Millar back when he writing for FA




They seem bound to be together forever...

ooh, I've never read that one. iirc he did that interview when he was 18 or so
Also I was thinking of this. 1994, so Millar should be around 25 actually. I dunno if DST is just fucking around or what. he shows up a bit under 2 minutes in

 

[Lashley]

First arc was 4 issues. I believe a second is coming next year but Vol 1 wraps up as a finished story.

Ah, its a decent comic. Hopefully the next arc is as fun.

 

[Hagi]

That's some classic funny book foreshadowing right there.

Are they still making a Starlight film? that was the last Millar book I read and enjoyed.

 

[Freezasaurus]

I can't hate Millar. His writing has been bad sometimes but his work is mostly entertaining and he makes artists rich

Ed on deck to illustrate the next Millar book confirmed.

 

[Lashley]

Whats the deal with the Morrison/Millar talk?

 

[Zombine]

That's some classic funny book foreshadowing right there.

Are they still making a Starlight film? that was the last Millar book I read and enjoyed.

Most of his books get picked up but they go nowhere. I wouldn't hold my breath. I believe Nemesis is next in line.

I think Jupiter's Circle is damn good. That book is honestly progressive as fuck.

Whats the deal with the Morrison/Millar talk?

Millar genuinely gets me excited. Swamp Thing just got a new release. It made me think about his complex relationship with Grant.

 

[Hagi]

Whats the deal with the Morrison/Millar talk?

A long long time ago they had a falling out.

Most of his books get picked up but they go nowhere. I wouldn't hold my breath. I believe Nemesis is next in line.

I think Jupiter's Circle is damn good. That book is honestly progressive as fuck.

Yeah he seems to say all of his comics are getting movies.

I had a flick through Jupiters Legacy once in a bookstore apart from the weird potato people it seemed okay. Circle is a spin off though?

 

[ViewtifulJC]

ooh, I've never read that one. iirc he did that interview when he was 18 or so
Also I was thinking of this. 1994, so Millar should be around 25 actually. I dunno if DST is just fucking around or what. he shows up a bit under 2 minutes in

God he's such a dork in all that leather with the fuckin' sunglasses in doors. This had to be an act, part of his Mystery Man of Comics look.

 

[Zombine]

"It's like true love in the Munich Olympics."

Lol god damn Bojack.

 

[my name is ed]

Haven't seen that, but back in '89 Grant actually to talk with Mark Millar back when he writing for FA




They seem bound to be together forever...

that interview is fascinating

 

[Owzers]

Was going to read comics but ended up watching The Guest instead. That was a super cool movie.

Now I'm going to finish the issue of Orion I was in the middle of and then re-read the first arc of Brubaker's Criminal. I'm craving a little bit more Brubaker before moving on to Orion fully.

The Guest and It Follows fulfilled my need of 80s-ish soundtracks.

 

[Zombine]

The Guest and It Follows fulfilled my need of 80s-ish soundtracks.

It Follows is pretty great. It only falls apart a bit near the end.

 

[frye]

God he's such a dork in all that leather with the fuckin' sunglasses in doors. This had to be an act, part of his Mystery Man of Comics look.

Morrison always seemed very conscious of his public persona. Mystery Man of Comics, yeah, but also aspirations of rock stardom

(god he's such a dork)

 

[Messi]

Whats the deal with the Morrison/Millar talk?

Trying to make up for all that Olivia wilde talk earlier. These are ComicGAFs two warring factions.

 

[Hagi]

God he's such a dork in all that leather with the fuckin' sunglasses in doors. This had to be an act, part of his Mystery Man of Comics look.

The nineties wasn't really the time to be playing the cool mysterious comic book writer when it was the worst decade for fashion since that year Jesus died. He's dressed like a pearly on their day off.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

that interview is fascinating

My favorite bit is when he shits on the faxu-Alan Moore stuff he was doing in the first four issues of Animal Man before he said "fuck it, I'm doing MY comics" with #5, then turns around and thanks himself for making them up in the first place

Grant:...the first four issues I wrote – they really are utter crap and I’ve come to regard them as my idiot children; it’s impossible to have them painlessly put to sleep at this late stage so they’re out there making a public fool of both themselves and me. It’s all so AWFUL. It’s my own fault for not trying harder. The thing is, that at the time I wrote the first four issues – originally just a mini-series – I was so keen for DC to love me and pay me that I simply did work I thought THEY would like, rather than trying to do something to please myself. It was a serious mistake on my part and I pulled out all the dreary old ‘British Comic Writer’ clichés like poetic captions and tacked on subtext and glaringly obvious panel transitions. I’m surprised they let me get away with it.

Mark: I’ve noticed that you tend to use the Alan Moore panel transitions a lot.

Grant: Yes, well, I haven’t been using them for a while now. Alan took that kind of thing to the limit in Watchmen I think and it’s one of the superficial aspects of his style that a whole new generation of dour copyists is sure to pick up on. The most important lesson anyone can learn from Alan’s work is simply that he refuses to stand still. He’s constantly thinking about his work and how to improve things and find new perspectives. If new writers could pick up on that, instead of latching onto things like transitions and nine-panel grids then the world would be a much happier place and nothing bad would ever happen again anywhere.

While we’re talking about those transitions, I’d direct your attention to my first ever published story ‘Time Is A Four Letter Word’ which appeared in 1978 in Near Myths. There you will find ‘Alan Moore’ panel transitions, repeated motifs, poetic captions, flashbacks, flash forwards and all the other stuff that was apparently only invented in 1982. In fact, I think we should start calling them ‘Grant Morrison panel transitions’, don’t you?

 

[my name is ed]

Ed on deck to illustrate the next Millar book confirmed.

I've imagined how that would go before tbh

'Now Ed in this next page you're gonna-'

'Nope! Not drawing that'

'Why's that?'

'Because its racist'

'But the men that say it are *bad men*, Ed. Thats why *they* say it'

'Nope!'

Ok lets move on. On this next page-

'Nope!'

'..why?'

'sexist'

*Mark Millar sighs*

'since were on the topic, I think the title is transphobic. lets change the title. Im also gonna need another PoC on this book. I feel a little token here'

'alright then Ed! Ok on this page the super powered black baby shits on the American flag, flips the bird and says fuck Ronald Reagan/Andrew Jackson'

'I love it!

 

[Filthy Slug]

I've imagined how that would go before tbh

'Now Ed in this next page you're gonna-'

'Nope! Not drawing that'

'Why's that?'

'Because its racist'

'But the men that say it are *bad men*, Ed. Thats why *they* say it'

'Nope!'

Ok lets move on. On this next page-

'Nope!'

'..why?'

'sexist'

*Mark Millar sighs*

"All right, Ed. I've got something right up your alley, mate. It's yaoi..."

"IN, MOTHERFUCKER!"

 

[Rhaknar]

Finished that Hawkeye / Deadpool mini and really enjoyed it. Black cat was the weak link but Wade, Clint and Kate hijinks were fun as shit. And Deadpool was not super annoying and actually showed some heart which is when he's at his best.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

A couple of pages from Q&W

 

[Yousefb]

Anyone going to the Boston Comic Con this weekend? I've never been to a con so I was wondering if it's worth checking out for a day.

 

[Kipp]

Just finished reading the first two issues of Simonson's Orion. This is some good classic superhero comics right here. Really enjoying it so far.
Also, the little intro/prologue thing for the run (AKA the first 6-8 pages) is just masterful. It drew me in so hard.

Every issue I finish, I can't help asking myself - how the hell did this comic even get made? Some no-name creative team shows up with this crazy idea to remake an old DC character as a child-killing sociopath who declares war on Kony and someone approved this?

It's messy, it's belligerent, it's bold, and it still comes together so well. The interiors are so rough but I love that shit. And the covers are masterful. As for Dysart, I feel like this is probably at the same level of Harbinger, but whereas that's a much more well-structured story, this is just rough and brazen - and that incredibly works so well for it.

Yeah, for real. It's crazy and I'm so glad it happened.

And you think Harbinger is as good as Unknown Soldier!? I REALLY need to read that then.

The Guest and It Follows fulfilled my need of 80s-ish soundtracks.

Yesss. The soundtrack was awesome.
What about Donnie Darko though?

 

[Zombine]

Anyone going to the Boston Comic Con this weekend? I've never been to a con so I was wondering if it's worth checking out for a day.

Why did I decide to go to Boston last weekend...

 

[frye]

My favorite bit is when he shits on the faxu-Alan Moore stuff he was doing in the first four issues of Animal Man before he said "fuck it, I'm doing MY comics" with #5, then turns around and thanks himself for making them up in the first place

Sometimes I wonder if the best thing to ever happen to both Moore and Morrison in terms of their legacy in comics was that their super early stuff is mostly lost to us. Morrison tells us all the time that he was making comics before Alan Moore ever burst onto the comics scene in the UK but for all intents and purposes his oeuvre starts with Animal Man (Zenith is there, but that historically has been hard to get a hold of). Likewise Moore begins with Miracleman and V

 

[Poodlestrike]

A couple of pages from Q&W

Heh, not bad. Might have to look into that.

 

[Hagi]

A couple of pages from Q&W

lol sex holes just made me buy the deluxe edition

 

[Yousefb]

Why did I decide to go to Boston last weekend...

Lol sorry guess I should have asked last week

 

[my name is ed]

"All right, Ed. I've got something right up your alley, mate. It's yaoi..."

"IN, MOTHERFUCKER!"

oh mos def

my yaoi pitch:

Its set in 1970s Ohio

School is out and young Dan has just gotten a summer internship at a publisher in the city. It's there that he meets the mysterious and shy Axel. They are given assignment. Get a script from the ever reclusive Alan Moore!

Mark Millars pitch:

its Yaoi meets Oz meets Fight Club

 

[Zombine]

The blackest, most realist Zoid of them all.

 

[Hagi]

oh mos def

my yaoi pitch:

Its set in 1970s Ohio

School is out and young Dan has just gotten a summer internship at a publisher in the city. It's there that he meets the mysterious and shy Axel. They are given assignment. Get a script from the ever reclusive Alan Moore!

Mark Millars pitch:

its Yaoi meets Oz meets Fight Club

If it's not named Axel Grindr I won't buy it

 

[Filthy Slug]

Morrison always seemed very conscious of his public persona. Mystery Man of Comics, yeah, but also aspirations of rock stardom

(god he's such a dork)

From The Invisibles letter columns ( I kind of love this):

The greatest moment of the year? There were a couple of nominees, but tonight's winner has to be the signing at Album in Paris (hi, Oliver!) which culminated in a faithful reconstruction of that final, fateful car ride which claimed the life of Diana, Princess of Wales. Me, John McCrea, Brian Bolland and Mark Millar in a French car driven by a prominent underground comics legend, no less. All reeling on rice wine, reaching 120kph as we hurtled through the tunnel of death to emerge, still breathing on the other side. It's not big and it's not clever but it was one of those unforgettable life- affirming moments.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Sometimes I wonder if the best thing to ever happen to both Moore and Morrison in terms of their legacy in comics was that their super early stuff is mostly lost to us. Morrison tells us all the time that he was making comics before Alan Moore ever burst onto the comics scene in the UK but for all intents and purposes his oeuvre starts with Animal Man (Zenith is there, but that historically has been hard to get a hold of). Likewise Moore begins with Miracleman and V

I've actually read a lot of Moore's early work. One thing I really liked about his Captain Britain is there's this "The Coyote Gospel" like shift from alan moore to ALAN MOORE. Like there's the comic before where like Grant he's imitating another British writer(Chris Claremont's 70s superhero comics) and its kinda whenever. Then suddenly there's "Executive Action", and its just this quantum leap in structure, pacing, dialog, and drama.

I always wished somebody asked Alan about those old comics, like what changed in his approach to these specific comics.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Yeah, for real. It's crazy and I'm so glad it happened.

And you think Harbinger is as good as Unknown Soldier!? I REALLY need to read that then.

I would say they both have their strengths. What I like about Harbinger is in the duality of its leads and subverting a lot of tropes; Dysart also manages a lot of characters, including the villain, with a lot of care and the book gets heavy towards the end. I feel like the ending really played into the themes he'd been propagating from early on. Conversely, I feel like Unknown Soldier is a pretty different animal, but still fantastic in how gritty and unpolished it is.

But yeah, Dysart is an underappreciated gem. I'm really glad I discovered him.

Heh, not bad. Might have to look into that.

Definitely do if you can. It's hilarious.

lol sex holes just made me buy the deluxe edition

fuck yeah, the deluxe edition is so cash.

 

[Kipp]

I would say they both have their strengths. What I like about Harbinger is in the duality of its leads and subverting a lot of tropes; Dysart also manages a lot of characters, including the villain, with a lot of care and the book gets heavy towards the end. I feel like the ending really played into the themes he'd been propagating from early on. Conversely, I feel like Unknown Soldier is a pretty different animal, but still fantastic in how gritty and unpolished it is.

But yeah, Dysart is an underappreciated gem. I'm really glad I discovered him.

That sounds super cool. Is there a Harbinger hardcover out yet?

 

[Owzers]

Yesss. The soundtrack was awesome.
What about Donnie Darko though?

It's been so long since i've watched Donnie darko that all i remember is it's kinda glum and creepy. With creepy music probably.