Brianimaniac
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Still the best BKV book.
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COMICS! |OT| July 2016. Everyone Loves A Hero, Everyone Loves You
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Still the best BKV book.
Freezasaurus
Member
God damn. Savage.
Sabrina will be appearing in a few issues of Jughead as her first appearance in the rebooted Riverdale.
I'm convinced that Hughes didn't even bother to read the the Archie ongoing before writing Betty and Veronica.
But he totally nailed how they sit on benches.
Freezasaurus
Member
I think what JC was trying to say is that Hughes should be paired with a writer.
Okay, so someone (presumably Launchpad) help me out with this Valiant sale on comixology. Looking things over, here's what I have: Harbinger Deluxe Edition Vol. #1, Eternal Warrior vol. #2, Harbinger Wars, Rai Vol. #1-3, and issues #1-4 of Faith. I also have in print the first volume of Bloodshot (which was okayish IIRC), Shadowman (which I found kind of not very good), and Quantum and Woody and Archer & Armstrong (neither of which I've read yet). Though with those print ones I wouldn't be opposed to getting the series in digital if need be as well just to consolidate everything, though it'd of course be lower priority.
So yeah, with that in mind, what should I be looking to grab if I want to catch up on the current Valiant universe, with maximum cost efficiency? Would really appreciate a little help.
So yeah, with that in mind, what should I be looking to grab if I want to catch up on the current Valiant universe, with maximum cost efficiency? Would really appreciate a little help.
Detective is so good. I don't even care if the story resolves itself in any satisfying way cause I just like the team-up aspect. Tim
Nightwing was very good too. Seeley has a good voice for the character. Not sure how I feel about Raptor but it's only issue 1. I like the Parliament agent premise so that could end up being pretty cool.
revealing his subway Batcave was awesome. I want to see the team in action now.
Nightwing was very good too. Seeley has a good voice for the character. Not sure how I feel about Raptor but it's only issue 1. I like the Parliament agent premise so that could end up being pretty cool.
Brianimaniac
Banned
With the lead time he would have needed, I don't think there would have been anything to read yet. And if that's the case, that's an issue for the editors more than Hughes. This whole relaunch thing is a reimagining of the characters, so if Hughes started when other people did, there's nothing else to reference other than what his editors provide him or tell him.
Even the first issues of Jughead referenced the the Archie ongoing so I would imagine it was available to him.
Freezasaurus
Member
Eric Powell.
Brianimaniac
Banned
What I'm saying is that Hughes is ungodly slow, so just because his book is coming out much later doesn't mean he didn't start working on it before the ongoing even existed. It's entirely plausible that he started at the same time that Waid and Staples did.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Tim Seeley is pretty good at both.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
I've never been crazy about his work but Tec seemed solid from what I read. Felt like a step up at least.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
It would need a conceptual do-over. Betty and Veronica cant even reasonably called the protagonists of this comic that bares their name. They have no discernible personality traits, and Jughead/Archie get the bulk of the story time. There's no time given to developing the relationship between these two women before the plot demands they fight each other. There are endless reams of dialog in this slackly paced thing, but every punchline is trampled over by a set-up, and it can't decide what to do with its narrator who haphazardly shows up and stops this slow comic dead multiple times to deliver no information to the reader.
This is a book that shows no interest or insight about young women, teenagers, relatable emotions, any possible bit of entertainment you think a comic like this aimed at accessible new audiences could possibly contain. It doesn't even contain caricatures, much less character, much less a heart or a brain. Its just a total misfire across the board. You can't even see much of Hughes art because his endless pointless dialog that isn't funny and reveals nothing about his characters or push any plot forward is filling up so much of the page. God knows who this comic book was for.
Brianimaniac
Banned
Some people we only know as writers are also artists, but they just don't do it professionally. I've seen drawings by Morrison and Johns that look better than anything Land or Deodato are doing at Marvel right now.
Freezasaurus
Member
Zdarsky and Cloonan both tried their hand at writing. I think Chip's attempt was more fruitful.
Brianimaniac
Banned
Walt Simonson, John Byrne, and George Perez are good writers.
Frank Miller is hit or miss as both a writer and artist.
Frank Miller is hit or miss as both a writer and artist.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
great writer/artists: Frank Miller, John Byrne, Herge, Walt Simonson, Howard Victor Chaykin, Mike Mignola, David Sim, Will Eisner, Stan Sakai, Bryan Lee O'Malley, Sergio Aragones, the Herandez bros, David Mazzucchelli, David Lapham, Kyle Baker, Daniel Clowes, Jeff Smith, Darwyn Cooke, Don Rosa, Evan Dorkin, etc
Brianimaniac
Banned
But not good at both. Kirby's a fucking genius, both in terms of his pencilling and his concepts, but his solo writing is nonsense.
Tragicomedy
Member
I love Birdie hype posts. I try to assign them the closest possible score I can on a 10 point scale, which usually equates to an 8-10. I then subtract three points and I've got my score. Works every time.
Freezasaurus
Member
Ah, see. I always use Messi as a barometer for Sejic, Harley Quinn, and Sophie Campbell books.
actually, it's really good
ViewtifulJC
Banned
basically, and that was just American comics. Tezuka, Toriyama, Otomo, Togashi, Urasawa, Arakawa, Inoue, Aoyama, basically every great in Manga is writing and drawing these things
Sibersk Esto
Banned
I would say his solo writing style is more dry than nonsense. Great idea man, that's for sure.
Brianimaniac
Banned
To me it's like a formless stream of ideas, like he turned on a firehose or something.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
be bold fyre
always
GamerKingFaiz
Member
Just finished the New 52 Flash arc with the Future Flash, man, that was amazing. And now onto Thawne.
The second half of N52 Flash is much better then the first half.
The second half of N52 Flash is much better then the first half.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
It seems far more common for manga to be drawn and written by the same person.
Tragicomedy
Member
He convinced me to purchase the first two volumes of Sunstone with his praise. Fool me once...
Then again, I'll be purchasing the Rebirth Quinn book to give it a shot, like I'm doing for all of them. I don't give two shits about her, and here I am. Oh well.
Freezasaurus
Member
Well, wait a minute. Sunstone is good comics.
I don't think it would necessarily work if he were scripting someone else, but Kirby writing and drawing his own stuff >>>
To add on to what everybody was saying, Tynion is actually a great writer. His comic, The Woods, is actually really great. In fact most of his work outside of DC has been given high praise like Memetic. His Batman backups were good as well.
Brianimaniac
Banned
I guess my thing is that his writing isn't additive. Like, I don't get anything more out of his solo work by reading it than I do just taking my time and looking through the art by itself.
I know it's not cool to hold Stan Lee in any regard, but I always liked having a Stan Lee script to hold hands with while going on the Jack Kirby ride.
I know it's not cool to hold Stan Lee in any regard, but I always liked having a Stan Lee script to hold hands with while going on the Jack Kirby ride.
Tragicomedy
Member
It's perfectly fine. Just not my cup of tea at all.
Missing a big one in Eric Powell (The Goon). Writing and art are both insanely good.
Freezasaurus
Member
I MENTIONED HIM I MENTIONED HIM
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
I was going to, but was told in the WoW thread not to
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
The booty tho.
Some people think Betty and Veronica are innocent kids instead of older young adults. I never saw Archie peeps as teenagers.
TheDarkKnight774
Member
Hah LordOfLore. You had to venture out to the OT to create a thread didn't you? 
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Hah LordOfLore. You had to venture out to the OT to create a thread didn't you?
dat daily quota isnt gonna hit itself!
whatsinaname
Member
Y'all are forgetting Bill Watterson (and other strip creators) in the artist+writer lists.
Brianimaniac
Banned
Thank you guys again for being rational people that are pleasant to be around when we disagree, and generally thoughtful/constructive with criticism. Every time I leave this thread, I see threads stuffed with miserable fucks who seem to hate everything, and it gives me a headache.
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BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Yeah, Chris Ware is the best double threat. Mike Mignola is a close second.
Bryan Hitch, I gotta say, is pretty solid! He clearly only has one speed: How much stuff can we destroy in a single page, but it's definitely more fun than some of his other DC Budz.
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