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Confused about the Star Wars timeline

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Sein

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In the first Star Wars movie, the Jedi are long-forgotten, and the Force is regarded as mythological. But the Jedi were extant when Luke Skywalker was conceived, and he's still a young man in the first movie. How could memories of the Jedi have faded into oblivion in a mere couple of decades?
 

Phoenix

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What do you know about the Bufallo Soldiers? :)

"And some things, that should not have been forgotten were lost...History became legend, legend became myth, and for two-and-a-half thousand years, the ring passed out of all knowledge".
 

SKluck

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Well in the prequels Jedis aren't really THAT plentiful, and aren't really taken that seriously as a big force. Hence the drone and clone armies. I haven't read any books or anything, but the Jedi/Council seems almost like some sort of pet project of the Emperor/Senator Palpatine in the prequels.
 

SteveMeister

Hang out with Steve.
Palpatine paints the Jedi as the destroyers of the Republic.
You'll see him convince Anakin of this in Episode III.
 

luxsol

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Everything about the Jedi was wiped out: weapons, library (supposedly went into Emperor's personal collection. or something) and the Jedi themselves. I'd assume talking about them would also be illegal so over the years they've become a distant memory So... yeah, they're regarded as myths and magic tricks.
 

Willco

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Sein said:
In the first Star Wars movie, the Jedi are long-forgotten, and the Force is regarded as mythological. But the Jedi were extant when Luke Skywalker was conceived, and he's still a young man in the first movie. How could memories of the Jedi have faded into oblivion in a mere couple of decades?

Dude, it's space!
 

ShadowRed

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Sein said:
In the first Star Wars movie, the Jedi are long-forgotten, and the Force is regarded as mythological. But the Jedi were extant when Luke Skywalker was conceived, and he's still a young man in the first movie. How could memories of the Jedi have faded into oblivion in a mere couple of decades?



I agree although one could agrue what "long-forgotten" means. Also the galaxy is in chaos for 20 something years. Perhaps growing up in a chaotic athmoshpere being told about a time when good and light was spread acros the Galaxy to someone at the time seemed like a fairy tale.
 

ManaByte

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Well Luke grew up isolated on Tatooine, which is a pretty remote planet. Plus Owen didn't want him to follow Anakin's path, so he obviously never mentioned the Force to Jedi to him. The Jedi are known and remembered, just not to Luke. The Emperor was keeping tabs on any Force-sensitive that popped up, which is why he was concerned when Luke started his training.
 

luxsol

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WTF is up with the avatars with friggin spoilers? I DONT WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS MOVIE UNTIL I SEE IT NEXT YEAR! >_<
 

Acrylamid

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What I always wanted to know about Star Wars:
In Episode 4, Luke Skywalker lives with his uncle and aunt.... doesn't this mean that Anakin has a brother? Where is he in Episode 1-3 ?
 

luxsol

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Acrylamid said:
What I always wanted to know about Star Wars:
In Episode 4, Luke Skywalker lives with his uncle and aunt.... doesn't this mean that Anakin has a brother? Where is he in Episode 1-3 ?
Uh... watch Episode 2.
 

Sein

Neo Member
ManaByte said:
Well Luke grew up isolated on Tatooine, which is a pretty remote planet. Plus Owen didn't want him to follow Anakin's path, so he obviously never mentioned the Force to Jedi to him. The Jedi are known and remembered, just not to Luke. The Emperor was keeping tabs on any Force-sensitive that popped up, which is why he was concerned when Luke started his training.

Han Solo was a world-weary mercenary, but he also believed the Force to be mythological. And if my recollection is correct, Darth Vader Force-choked an imperial officer for dismissing the Force as mythological. That officer was a middle-aged man and must have some memory of life in the galaxy 20 years earlier.
 

pnjtony

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luxsol said:
WTF is up with the avatars with friggin spoilers? I DONT WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS MOVIE UNTIL I SEE IT NEXT YEAR! >_<
Dude, it's nothing no one knows about. It's common knowledge obi wan and anakin duel near lava with lightsabers. There's no spoilers in that avatar. It's from a trailor. Get used to it, i'm sure you'll be exposed to a lot.
 

ShadowRed

Banned
Acrylamid said:
What I always wanted to know about Star Wars:
In Episode 4, Luke Skywalker lives with his uncle and aunt.... doesn't this mean that Anakin has a brother? Where is he in Episode 1-3 ?



LOL dude did you even watch Episode 2? Did they cut the entire part of the movie where he goes back to Tatooine?
 

XS+

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SKluck said:
Well in the prequels Jedis aren't really THAT plentiful, and aren't really taken that seriously as a big force. Hence the drone and clone armies. I haven't read any books or anything, but the Jedi/Council seems almost like some sort of pet project of the Emperor/Senator Palpatine in the prequels.
I always saw the Jedi in the PT more as elite officers that are reserved for special duties and mangement, while droids and clones are expendable grunt troops.
 

pnjtony

Member
Sein said:
Han Solo was a world-weary mercenary, but he also believed the Force to be mythological. And if my recollection is correct, Darth Vader Force-choked an imperial officer for dismissing the Force as mythological. That officer was a middle-aged man and must have some memory of life in the galaxy 20 years earlier.
a year ago 50% of americans thought Saddam hussien was behind 9/11 and that was only 2 years earlier than that. Things happen. But yeah, lucas is a hack.
 

Boogie9IGN

Member
Acrylamid said:
What I always wanted to know about Star Wars:
In Episode 4, Luke Skywalker lives with his uncle and aunt.... doesn't this mean that Anakin has a brother? Where is he in Episode 1-3 ?

Owen Lars = Anakin's step brother
 

XS+

Banned
luxsol said:
WTF is up with the avatars with friggin spoilers? I DONT WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS MOVIE UNTIL I SEE IT NEXT YEAR! >_<
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ShadowRed

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Sein said:
Han Solo was a world-weary mercenary, but he also believed the Force to be mythological. And if my recollection is correct, Darth Vader Force-choked an imperial officer for dismissing the Force as mythological. That officer was a middle-aged man and must have some memory of life in the galaxy 20 years earlier.




Yes Han was a world-weary mercenary who has had to fight steal and scam to get by. He's been told about this time when these powerfulpeople with powers brought peace to the Galaxy. He's never seen one in his life. To him the Jedi and the force are a fairy tale. The imperial officer was choked for dismissing the force not admitting it's existance. He even says that they, the Empire had wiped out of existace the Jedi and the remains of their religion. He never said he didn't believe in them.
 

ShadowRed

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XS+ said:
Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father
Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father
Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father




:lol Damn you someone ban this asshat.
 

luxsol

Member
pnjtony said:
Dude, it's nothing no one knows about. It's common knowledge obi wan and anakin duel near lava with lightsabers. There's no spoilers in that avatar. It's from a trailor. Get used to it, i'm sure you'll be exposed to a lot.
But i don't want to see parts from a movie that isn't coming out a year from now! I specifically avoid the Star Wars Ep 3 threads because even though they use spoiler tags something still slips through.
And yes, I did avoid movie trailers and commercials for Ep 2 because little clips are shown and when you watch the movie you're already looking out for those scenes.

I've been doing this for all movies I've been waiting to see ever since someone said "Wouldn't it be cool if you didn't know that Darth Maul used a double saber until he pulled it out in the actual movie? Imagine how cool that would have been to see without it being spoiled."
 

Sein

Neo Member
ShadowRed said:
Yes Han was a world-weary mercenary who has had to fight steal and scam to get by. He's been told about this time when these powerfulpeople with powers brought peace to the Galaxy. He's never seen one in his life. To him the Jedi and the force are a fairy tale. The imperial officer was choked for dismissing the force not admitting it's existance. He even says that they, the Empire had wiped out of existace the Jedi and the remains of their religion. He never said he didn't believe in them.

Well, we're both wrong. He doesn't mention the annihilation of the Jedi, nor does he deny the existence of the Force.

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Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure
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Rebel's hidden fort...

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luxsol said:
But i don't want to see parts from a movie that isn't coming out a year from now! I specifically avoid the Star Wars Ep 3 threads because even though they use spoiler tags something still slips through.
And yes, I did avoid movie trailers and commercials for Ep 2 because little clips are shown and when you watch the movie you're already looking out for those scenes.

I've been doing this for all movies I've been waiting to see ever since someone said "Wouldn't it be cool if you didn't know that Darth Maul used a double saber until he pulled it out in the actual movie? Imagine how cool that would have been to see without it being spoiled."

The title of this thread suggests a risk of Star Wars spoilers. You should probably have avoided this thread as well, if you're going to obsess over spoilers.
 

luxsol

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Sein said:
The title of this thread suggests a risk of Star Wars spoilers. You should probably have avoided this thread as well, if you're going to obsess over spoilers.
Spoilers for Star Wars things already established in the movies (already released) and books. I already know about the volcano fight, etc, but to WATCH it being played out already? BLEH.
 

maharg

idspispopd
XS+ said:
Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father
Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father
Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father Vader is Luke's father

I have a better one...

Vader is Leia's father!
 

Sein

Neo Member
luxsol said:
Spoilers for Star Wars things already established in the movies (already released) and books. I already know about the volcano fight, etc, but to WATCH it being played out already? BLEH.

It follows from your extreme sensitivity to spoilers that you should be extremely cautious. You could not have known based on the title of this thread that it would not involve Episode III spoilers.
 

NetMapel

Guilty White Male Mods Gave Me This Tag
I also have a question. In episode 2, Count Dooku was telling Obi-Wen that the senate is being manipulated by Sith (Palp's secret identity ?), and that Dooku himself expressed his desire to allow Obi-Wen to join him to destroy Sith. Well, but at the end of the movie, Dooku was just meeting with the Sith and discussing their plan. I don't get it... Dooku wants to destroy Sith, but is in league with the Sith... ?
 

Vormund

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I think it's part of the relationship Sith have one with another....the apprentice always trys to overthrow the master, and the master keeps an eye out for a new apprentice if he has to kill his current one.
 

NetMapel

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Vormund said:
I think it's part of the relationship Sith have one with another....the apprentice always trys to overthrow the master, and the master keeps an eye out for a new apprentice if he has to kill his current one.
Well... I don't see Luke constantly plotting his master's death, or Obi-wen with his master...
 

DJ_Tet

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NetMapel said:
I also have a question. In episode 2, Count Dooku was telling Obi-Wen that the senate is being manipulated by Sith (Palp's secret identity ?), and that Dooku himself expressed his desire to allow Obi-Wen to join him to destroy Sith. Well, but at the end of the movie, Dooku was just meeting with the Sith and discussing their plan. I don't get it... Dooku wants to destroy Sith, but is in league with the Sith... ?


Dooku knew that Obi-Wan would never join the Sith. Dooku was recruiting him to kill Palpatine and succeed him as head of the Sith. With the rage released by Obi-Wan in the murder, he would turn to the dark side automatically. Just like when Luke almost killed Vader in ROTJ. There are always two, master and apprentice, with the Sith.
 

NetMapel

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So the Siths are like the dark jedi, and in their group, the apprentince must sought to surpass and destroy his/her master ?
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
NetMapel said:
So the Siths are like the dark jedi, and in their group, the apprentince must sought to surpass and destroy his/her master ?

Bingo.

If you notice, Darth Vader's whole motivation for finding Luke Skywalker is to kill Palpatine and become the new Sith master.

Lucas tried to make this less subtle in the DVD by changing lines in the Empire Strikes Back where Vader is practically lying to the Emperor. Emperor is like, "DUDE, HE'S YOUR SON!" And Vader is like, "OH NO! I NEVER KNEW THIS. THAT'S WHY I WAS HUNTING HIM DOWN ALL OVER THE GALAXY AND DESTROYING HOTH, BUT PAY NO ATTENTION OLD MAN NOTHING TO SEE HERE!"

It's the Sith way, man!
 
I can't believe you guys are even trying to make sense of the contradictory bullshit that Lucas created with the new episodes. Do some of you honestly think everything will be "fixed" by the third movie?
 

luxsol

Member
Sein said:
It follows from your extreme sensitivity to spoilers that you should be extremely cautious. You could not have known based on the title of this thread that it would not involve Episode III spoilers.
No spoilers would be used here though, that i already don't know about just from the movies and books. Notice that no spoilers have been used in text. However, the person with the avatar could go anywhere, not just this thread or those relating to Star Wars. Your point is moot. =P
 

Fatghost

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FortNinety said:
I can't believe you guys are even trying to make sense of the contradictory bullshit that Lucas created with the new episodes. Do some of you honestly think everything will be "fixed" by the third movie?


Seriously.
 

Seth C

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NetMapel said:
So the Siths are like the dark jedi, and in their group, the apprentince must sought to surpass and destroy his/her master ?

I think you really need to play Knights of the Old Republic.
 

Ghost

Chili Con Carnage!
FortNinety said:
I can't believe you guys are even trying to make sense of the contradictory bullshit that Lucas created with the new episodes. Do some of you honestly think everything will be "fixed" by the third movie?



who fucking cares, longest sabre fight ever = sold.
 

way more

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NetMapel said:
I also have a question. In episode 2, Count Dooku was telling Obi-Wen that the senate is being manipulated by Sith (Palp's secret identity ?), and that Dooku himself expressed his desire to allow Obi-Wen to join him to destroy Sith. Well, but at the end of the movie, Dooku was just meeting with the Sith and discussing their plan. I don't get it... Dooku wants to destroy Sith, but is in league with the Sith... ?

What I've heard here makes sense, I always thought Dooku was just bluffing. I never understood his motivation, or anyone elses for that matter.
 

Sein

Neo Member
FortNinety said:
I can't believe you guys are even trying to make sense of the contradictory bullshit that Lucas created with the new episodes. Do some of you honestly think everything will be "fixed" by the third movie?

The inconsistency in my original post is evident from the original trilogy.
 

MC Safety

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pnjtony said:
Dude, it's nothing no one knows about. It's common knowledge obi wan and anakin duel near lava with lightsabers. There's no spoilers in that avatar. It's from a trailor. Get used to it, i'm sure you'll be exposed to a lot.

Here's a question: Was the lightsaber battle between Obi Wan and Anakin (Darth Vader) ever hinted at or mentioned in one of the Star Wars movie novelizations?

It seems I'd heard a long, long time ago (and perhaps in a galaxy far, far away) that Vader was scarred after a fight near a lava pit with Obi Wan.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Disco Stu said:
Here's a question: Was the lightsaber battle between Obi Wan and Anakin (Darth Vader) ever hinted at or mentioned in one of the Star Wars movie novelizations?

It seems I'd heard a long, long time ago (and perhaps in a galaxy far, far away) that Vader was scarred after a fight near a lava pit with Obi Wan.

Yes, it was. It's been pretty common Star Wars knowledge for the past 20 years or so.
 

Tritroid

Member
FortNinety said:
I can't believe you guys are even trying to make sense of the contradictory bullshit that Lucas created with the new episodes. Do some of you honestly think everything will be "fixed" by the third movie?
What exactly is contradictory?
 
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