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Its bugging me that I can't remember the name/term for this type of cooking.

Previously cooked food is intentionally left at the bottom of a pot, and repeated until some layer is formed. It imparts flavor to other things cooked in that pot. Its called....??
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
seasoning?
pretty sure that's what they call it for woks and iron skillets.
 

DietRob

i've been begging for over 5 years.
Its bugging me that I can't remember the name/term for this type of cooking.

Previously cooked food is intentionally left at the bottom of a pot, and repeated until some layer is formed. It imparts flavor to other things cooked in that pot. Its called....??

Deglazing.
 
I looked up both seasoning and deglazing. Of the two, deglazing sounds close but not quite it.

To give more context, I watched a program on the practice. I want to say they associated this type of cooking with large cauldrons.

Like if you were a cook back in the 1700's, and you were making a large batch of stew. Instead of cleaning the cauldron, they keep cooking with it, adding layers more leftover food...
 

beat

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I looked up both seasoning and deglazing. Of the two, deglazing sounds close but not quite it.

To give more context, I was watched a program on the practice. I want to say they associated this type of cooking with large cauldrons.

Like if you where a cook back in the 1700's, and you were making a large batch of stew. Instead of cleaning the cauldron, they left keep cooking with it, adding layers more leftover food...

Deglazing is to dissolve the "fond" left in a pan, for example to make a pan sauce. Seasoning is breaking down oils into polymers that bond with (?) and protect a pan surface.

What you're describing sounds more like the southern Chinese "master stock" technique:
The defining characteristic of a master stock from other stocks is that after initial use, it is not discarded or turned into a soup or sauce. Instead, the broth is stored and reused in the future as a stock for more poachings. With each use, the poached meats and other ingredients absorb the stock's flavour while imparting their own back into the stock. In this way, over time, flavour accumulates in the stock, making it richer and more complex with each poaching, while subsequent poached meats absorb this flavour and likewise become more flavourful.

In theory, a master stock could be sustained indefinitely if due care is taken to ensure it does not spoil. There are claims of master stocks in China that are hundreds of years old, passed down through generations of cooks in this way.
 

beat

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Probably it's not as common these days since we have refrigeration to deal with food spoilage rather than re-boiling a stew, and also we don't want to eat the same stew every day for a month.
 

barnone

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This thread looks dead and I hope someone can recommend something!

I am looking for a recipe that two people can enjoy cooking together (like on a date). Ideas?
 

Tom_Cody

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I am a total cooking novice with a pretty simple (I think) question.

When I stir-fry beef (in attempts to approximate american-style chinese food) it always end being too chewy/tough and generally does not come out the way that I want it too. I have done this a number of times and my current method is to get beef that is as thin as possible and try to cook it quickly on a high heat.

Any advice Cooking-GAF?
 

Tom_Cody

Member
This thread looks dead and I hope someone can recommend something!

I am looking for a recipe that two people can enjoy cooking together (like on a date). Ideas?
Lol, I have been in the exact same situation. I consider Coq au Vin to be the perfect date recipe. It's basically just a french chicken stew with wine but it's easy to make well and it involves wine.

I have had two dates involving Coq au Vin
and both ended in sleepovers
.
 

TheExodu5

Banned
I don't have much experience stiry frying...but are you sure your pan is hot enough? Any time I've screwed up a stirfry it's because my pan isn't very hot and I end up boiling the meat more than flash frying it.
 

jred2k

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I am a total cooking novice with a pretty simple (I think) question.

When I stir-fry beef (in attempts to approximate american-style chinese food) it always end being too chewy/tough and generally does not come out the way that I want it too. I have done this a number of times and my current method is to get beef that is as thin as possible and try to cook it quickly on a high heat.

Any advice Cooking-GAF?

I'm not sure how to resolve that through a cooking method, but it seems like a possible simple solution for you may be to use a marinade. Cut the meat up and put it in a marinade for a few hours before cooking. Its a simple way to add some extra flavour to your stir-fry as well.

It could also be an issue with the grade of meat you're buying, but marinade is probably easier to fit in to a budget if thats a worry.
 

Deadly Cyclone

Pride of Iowa State
Alright folks. Chicken recipes. What you got? Basically every weeknight I eat grilled chicken and I want some sort of easy marinade or sauce to coat/use with the chicken to change it up so I don't get bored. I've done Marsala and Sherry sauces, anything else?
 

Tom_Cody

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I don't have much experience stiry frying...but are you sure your pan is hot enough? Any time I've screwed up a stirfry it's because my pan isn't very hot and I end up boiling the meat more than flash frying it.
I think that's basically what it happening. I have gotten better results as I have increased the heat. I really just need to go all the way up I guess.
I'm not sure how to resolve that through a cooking method, but it seems like a possible simple solution for you may be to use a marinade. Cut the meat up and put it in a marinade for a few hours before cooking. Its a simple way to add some extra flavour to your stir-fry as well.

It could also be an issue with the grade of meat you're buying, but marinade is probably easier to fit in to a budget if thats a worry.
I buy good meat so that shouldn't be an issue. I will try to experiment with marinades and see how that goes. Anyone have favorite recipes?

I currently tend to use pre-made sauce packs (again, I'm a cooking novice). I like this Cook-do one specifically:

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beat

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I think that's basically what it happening. I have gotten better results as I have increased the heat. I really just need to go all the way up I guess.I buy good meat so that shouldn't be an issue. I will try to experiment with marinades and see how that goes. Anyone have favorite recipes?

I currently tend to use pre-made sauce packs (again, I'm a cooking novice). I like this Cook-do one specifically:

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Not sure about those sauce packs - never used 'em - but are you putting a very light layer of cornstarch on your meat before adding the sauce? I'd go with a tablespoon or so per pound of meat - just toss it over your sliced meat in a bowl, then stir to combine.
 

Tom_Cody

Member
Not sure about those sauce packs - never used 'em - but are you putting a very light layer of cornstarch on your meat before adding the sauce? I'd go with a tablespoon or so per pound of meat - just toss it over your sliced meat in a bowl, then stir to combine.
Thanks. I'll try that to.
 

DietRob

i've been begging for over 5 years.
Posted this in IronGAF no help I gotta start this in the next few minutes seriously. Can someone help me here?


I need some help. I'm cooking all the pulled pork and chicken bbq for the Chirstmas party this year. Unfortunately I don't have access to a smoker but I have been using a slow cooker to make this pulled pork for quite some time and it always turns out good. Not as good as it could be with a smoker but good non the less.

Here's the problem. The 15lb Pork Shoulder I bought from Costco doesn't fit in my Crock pot. However, I do have a Hamilton Beach Oven Roaster. Like this but bigger.
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What temperature should I set this on and how long to cook for the results I would get from the crock pot?
 

GiJoccin

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Posted this in IronGAF no help I gotta start this in the next few minutes seriously. Can someone help me here?


What temperature should I set this on and how long to cook for the results I would get from the crock pot?

what is that? electric portable oven? can't you just use a normal oven? a crock pot is just a pot that is warmed to a low temperature, you don't NEED a crock pot for anything.
 

TheExodu5

Banned
I wouldn't recommend leaving something in the oven if you're not in the house. The electric oven is a lot less of a five hazard.

Sorry...can't really help with the temp. It's probably around 225-250F or something, but I can't say exactly. For 15lbs, you'd be looking at a really long time. No idea how long, but I'd say more than 12 hours.
 

GiJoccin

Member
from a quick search, 325 seems to be a pretty standard temperature to roast pork shoulder at, for several hours

you can cook it at that temp or lower and check it for the internal temp you want, and consistency
 

DietRob

i've been begging for over 5 years.
from a quick search, 325 seems to be a pretty standard temperature to roast pork shoulder at, for several hours

you can cook it at that temp or lower and check it for the internal temp you want, and consistency

Thanks that's all I needed to know. It's a 15 LB shoulder so from what I read I need about an hour per pound and looking for an internal temp of 185F. I'm using the 'oven roaster' because my oven will be roasting 4 chickens for pulled chicken.

Thanks!
 
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Jotamide

Unconfirmed Member
I was thinking on creating a new thread but I think most people here would be able to help me.

GAF, what are the best websites to learn how to cook for the ABSOLUTE BEGINNER? YouTube has been helpful, but I really would like to find something that let's me write my recipes easily as I progress.
 

Hilbert

Deep into his 30th decade
I was thinking on creating a new thread but I think most people here would be able to help me.

GAF, what are the best websites to learn how to cook for the ABSOLUTE BEGINNER? YouTube has been helpful, but I really would like to find something that let's me write my recipes easily as I progress.

How absolute is this? Do you need explanation about what a knife is? Have you ever cooked anything? Is there something specific you want advice on? I don't know of any sites, but I think your situation is kind of the purpose of the thread.
 

Swig_

Member
I was thinking on creating a new thread but I think most people here would be able to help me.

GAF, what are the best websites to learn how to cook for the ABSOLUTE BEGINNER? YouTube has been helpful, but I really would like to find something that let's me write my recipes easily as I progress.

I've been thinking about this a bit lately. I'm not a beginner, but I have a lot to learn..

Are there any websites (specifically videos) or insturction packages that teach solid basics up anywhere to cooking great food (ie- stuff that you might see in a very high end restaurant)?
 

beat

Member
Are there any websites (specifically videos) or insturction packages that teach solid basics up anywhere to cooking great food (ie- stuff that you might see in a very high end restaurant)?

Not that I know of. Maybe Rouxbe? Or America's Test Kitchen might.

For books, I would suggest:

* Michael Ruhlman's "Twenty" - basic to advanced. Twenty techniques that every cook should understand.

* or from maybe an even more basic level, Alton Brown's "I'm Just Here For The Food".

* Jacques Pepin's books on technique and Judy Rodgers' "Zuni Cafe Cookbook" explain a lot of techniques and the reason behind details.

* Tom Colicchio's "Think Like A Chef"", Bittman & Vongrichten's "Simple to Spectacular", Bittman's "How to Cook Everything Season 1: Bittman Takes on America's Chefs", and (sort of) David Chang's "Momofuku" get you into thinking like chefs. Maybe Jason Atherton/Gordon Ramsay's "Maze" too. The point with these recommendations isn't that you should aim to recreate all or most of these dishes straight from the cookbook, but more that you can think about food they way they do. The Momofuku cookbook is particularly uncompromising: portions are cut down to reasonable sizes for home cooking tasks (mostly), but if a dish requires four sub-recipes that each take a lot of time, then the cookbook specifies all those sub-recipes and suggests that you make them too. Maze is a bit like this. The two Bittman books I mentioned take a simple dish, a four star chef take on it, and a few intermediate difficulty dishes.

* Harold McGee's "On Food and Cooking" is always illuminating. It's not a cookbook; rather it's a comprehensive book on ingredients and cooking methods.

* haven't read it yet, but I bet "Modernist Cuisine at Home" would be really cool too.

* I really like the Cook's Illustrated and Cook's Country magazines (published by America's Test Kitchen, which also runs a PBS show). They also collect their recipes into a variety of cookbooks, and their writeups on the recipe development process are invaluable for how they explain what works and what didn't work.
 

RevDM

Banned
What's the deal with ground beef that comes in a tube vs the clear packaging? It's cheaper, but is it less good?
 

Hilbert

Deep into his 30th decade
What's the deal with ground beef that comes in a tube vs the clear packaging? It's cheaper, but is it less good?

I think one(the Tube) is shipped in, while the other(the clear package) is ground in-store. I could be wrong though.

I don't think there is a huge difference in quality.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
I think one(the Tube) is shipped in, while the other(the clear package) is ground in-store. I could be wrong though.

I don't think there is a huge difference in quality.

its frequently made with animal-related filler - like McDonalds hamburgers. Ground beef in store ground packages is MUCH better.
 

beat

Member
It will say animal parts if it's made with filler. Not all ground beef in a tube is filler.

Yeah, but even so, factory ground beef will come from so many more cows that it just makes the risk of e.Coli so much higher. Always cook that kind of ground beef to well done.
 

hipbabboom

Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
I wasn't quite sure if this was beginner or a general cooking discussion thread but I've recently gotten back into cooking as a serious hobby again (my main thing being baking). I do have some basic question and some advanced ones as well:

I guess to start off, I've been getting my kitchen together and picked up the following recently:

Large Appliances:
  • Oven - Only goes up to 550 Degrees and has a broil setting
  • Four burner range - the sad thing is this is not a high-output burner so I've never been able to make awesome Asian dishes that require high heat. I wish there was a way but I'm in an apartment and have to work with the cards dealt to me.
  • 1250W Microwave

Small Appliances:
  • Stand Mixer - I recently got a 12 speed 5.7 quart Cusinart model that has an attachments for blender, food processor, etc... I've never used these before my last recipe and I was really impressed about the dough hook. I have a lot to learn since just about all my mixing to date has been manual in a bowl.
  • French Press - I like coffee and I figured some baked goods will call for this and I've read that this is one of the best ways to get flavor out of a roasted bean,
  • I have an electric skillet + griddle
  • Pressure Cooker
  • Rice and Soup Cooker supposedly a bread maker too (never used it for bread) - I got this because I hear it made the best rice for small servings
  • Large electric wok - this doesn't get much action but its pretty nice. Not quite as hot as I like it but it can get hotter than a regular wok on my range.

I'm posting these in hopes the someone will tell me if I'm missing anything. Because I've gotten the baking bug as of late, I've been trying to find a good storage and organization system for dry baking ingredients. I recently ordered a pantry cabinet to house my ingredients In a system that lets me know when something is missing and I'm planning to make an excel sheet to let know how old the things with expiration dates are. Any seasoned bakers with tips on how to make a good tracking system for these kinds of stuff? I'm also loving the newly discovered OXO Good Grip storage where... its kind of become by defector dry goods container of choice.


Next big thing... flour <3
 

beat

Member
hipbabboom, I'd say I don't know why you need an electric skillet / griddle when you have a four burner range AND an electric wok too.

How's the stand mixer working out as a blender? There are a few schools of thoughts on blenders - some people want just a basic blender, some people want a Vita-Mix for restaurant quality blending, some people want an immersion blender as well / instead of a regular blender because you can blend right in a pot. OTOH, I suppose immersion blenders are not for crushing ice.

I guess you don't have a toaster or toaster oven. A regular toaster will do better toast than most toaster ovens, but a toaster oven is more flexible and is nice for reheating foods that would be soggy if they were only reheated in the microwave. You can get fancy and do the initial reheating in the microwave, followed by a few minutes in the toaster oven to finish re-crisping.

Speaking of the microwave, I have a microwave tea kettle. It'll boil two cups of water in 3-4 minutes. You can just use a two cup measuring cup and a wooden chopstick*, of course.

* the chopstick is just there to give the water something to nucleate around so you don't superheat the water.


To go with your appliances, do you have the cookware you need? Possibilities include a roasting pan for the oven, a pizza stone, an enamelled cast iron dutch oven, a cast iron skillet, a nonstick pan, a regular skillet, a stock pot, a smaller pot for cooking soup and/or noodles... Many of these aren't necessities, but figure out what you'd like to make first and start there.

I should note that I cook but I don't bake much, so my advice might not suit you that well.
 

oni_saru

Member
so i'm making my first turkey tomorrow and mostly following a recipe i found online. one of the steps for this recipe is to pour champagne on top of the turkey.

I was thinking of using moscato instead of champagne. Bad or good idea?
 
My roommates girlfriend recently taught me how to make Chapati. Those things are literally just flour, water, salt and oil, so pretty easy to make and they are absolutely delicious and go with just about anything, especially spicy sauce based dishes like curry or (more european) goulash.
 

XenodudeX

Junior Member
So I made an egg custard pie 2 days ago, and while it was kinda good, I do have a question: What's the texture suppose to be exactly? I was expecting a creamy filling, and what I got was kind of gelatinous kind of texture. Is this correct?
 

Jams775

Member
My roommates girlfriend recently taught me how to make Chapati. Those things are literally just flour, water, salt and oil, so pretty easy to make and they are absolutely delicious and go with just about anything, especially spicy sauce based dishes like curry or (more european) goulash.

That just sounds like a flour tortilla.
 

beat

Member
So I made an egg custard pie 2 days ago, and while it was kinda good, I do have a question: What's the texture suppose to be exactly? I was expecting a creamy filling, and what I got was kind of gelatinous kind of texture. Is this correct?

Is this the Cantonese "daan taat"? Cause yeah, they're kind of gelatinous instead of a softer mousse.
 

Necrovex

Member
I picked up Cooking for Dummies. It's time to learn this art! Especially when I join Peace Corps, I don't really want to starve to death.

I might take TimeDog's recipe posted in the other thread, and attempt a medium-well done steak.
 
Anyone have any good tips for cooking a whole chicken for the first time?

I generally buy thighs due to getting them cheap but I want to try out a whole chicken, if for no other reason than to get some fresh stock.
 
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