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[HoodWinked]

so butter drops from 1.3 to 1.2 if you heat it another 10 minutes? shitty ass pseudo food scientists.

 

[CornBurrito]

RAPEseed


The test was done at 180c, or about 350 F which is much too high too fry eggs in and 10 minutes would be much too long for eggs. All in all the real world implications of this study in actual cooking seems moot, unless you eat fried food daily and then that's it's own host of problems. You might as well have a study say "Eating five or more cheesecakes a day linked to low vitamin C levels." But then people couldn't act oddly proud that they only cook cook with olive or coconut oil and have been doing it for a long time.

When we say fried food do we mean KFC fried, or like if I cook a steak or some chicken in a pan I'm fucked? I use olive oil in my stir fry, which I cook at "7" on my stove. My stove has that dial that goes from off to 10. Is 7/10 then some high heat that's fucking over my olive oil and causing some cancer compounds to be released?

edit: LOL that chart. Damn and linvisvii was almost scaring me with his fear mongering. But according to that chart I could safely stir fry my shit with sunflower/corn/canola oil. I never cook it longer than 8 minutes. In which case it has a not even significant difference from olive oil or butter.

 

[CornBurrito]

The thing is, though, that even at 10 minutes, the vegetable oils have a fair bit more toxicity, even if it's not much in absolute terms. If you look at a diet as being about minimizing risk in the long-term, then it's better to conduct your cooking in such a way as to prevent toxins from building up in your body in quantity and potential effect over time.

"A fair bit more" according to? Are you just visually checking the chart because it doesn't simply work like that. You need to check for statistical significance.

But if we were just going visually, olive oil has MORE toxins than the vegetable oils. At 10 minutes. So olive oil is actually worse for you than vegetable oil, sub 10 minutes.

 

[MrCunningham]

Good thing I never cook with vegetable oil. I use butter. But hey, coconut oil looks like a good alternative.

 

[NastyBook]

Canola isn't really the same thing as rapeseed. It's a selectively bred variety of rapeseed intended to produce an oil-usable seed without the bad parts of rapeseed oil.

PC cooking, huh? Sheesh.

 

[way more]

When we say fried food do we mean KFC fried, or like if I cook a steak or some chicken in a pan I'm fucked? I use olive oil in my stir fry, which I cook at "7" on my stove. My stove has that dial that goes from off to 10. Is 7/10 then some high heat that's fucking over my olive oil and causing some cancer compounds to be released?

edit: LOL that chart. Damn and linvisvii was almost scaring me with his fear mongering. But according to that chart I could safely stir fry my shit with sunflower/corn/canola oil. I never cook it longer than 8 minutes. In which case it has a not even significant difference from olive oil or butter.

Fried food would be of the deep fried variety. In a commercial kitchen the Fryolator (yes, the name is that awesome) is going to be set at 375 F. And that oil will be heated to that temp for the entire duration of service. The fried food you eat at a restaurant will have the toxins the study mentions. Are these toxins worse than eating the fried food itself?

Another thing to note is that just because you fry food in oil that oil is not fully consumed. When you pour 3 cups of oil into a pan and deep fry some chicken you will later end up pouring out 2.98 cups of oil into the trash. Oil is fat but the nature of frying does not mean you consume just oil and fat.

Another issue is where the toxins are coming from. In a restaurant Fryolator you will find broken off particles of the food you fry. When you bread chicken and dunk it in a deep fryer some of the breading will break off and remain in the fryer. It's the job of the fry cook to remove it. Perhaps those remains that turn into cinders are adding to the aldehyde count.



Your steak or chicken in a pan is called pan fried or maybe just pan cooked or maybe even sauteed. As you noted you will normally not cook chicken or steak in a pan for 30 minutes. And if you are you will be using low heat.

You asked what low heat vs high heat is. High heat was 350 degrees in the study. That is quite high and used for foods that you want to cook fast, under 10 minutes. Low heat is what is used for a long roast or BBQ, 250 F 280 F or under.

Conclusion: For the past 10 years I have been reading every report about canola oil in order to find out if it's bad for you our not. Aside from Food Babe logic there is very little to say it is bad for you. The study addressed in this thread is the most evidence that canola oil is bad for you yet it's real world impact is questionable. It is indeed clear that eating deep fried foods ups your aldehyde intake. If you wish to avoid aldehydes then limit your consumption of deep fried foods.

Further Questions: What about baking? Oils have smoke points in which they begin to burn and release smoke. Baking almost always requires 350F. Butter, virgin olive oil, and coconut oil have smoke points at 350 or less.

Is it better to have your oils burn or release aldehydes when baking? I don't bake so I don't know the real world effects.



These threads reveal very little besides which members are notably proud for not using vegetable oils so they can tell us what they use instead. So brave.

 

[yogloo]

Living causes cancer.

 

[jmdajr]

So basically eat grass. Fantastic.

I don't eat junk good really, but when did coffee and virtually all grains join that list?

I don't know. It's fucked that toast is on the list. I hate cold bread.

 

[Herne]

It seems that, for the past ten years, every month these experts find something we use or eat in our every day lives that cause cancer.

 

[jmdajr]

Is it better to have your oils burn or release aldehydes when baking? I don't bake so I don't know the real world effects.

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Hmm. So that's not the same? God damn food science stop confusing me.

 

[Extra Sauce]

I thought that was known already? In any case I'll continue using olive oil to cook.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Well frying anything is oil is already bad for your health so why not throw cancer in as well?

Huh? Oil is great.