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[flkraven]

So I can't eat fried foods or cured meat. What is life?

 

[JMalerich]

EVERYTHING. CAUSES. CANCER. 😭

 

[darkwing]

what are fastfood chains using for oil? isn't it vegetable oil? they should just use lard for goodness sake

 

[kirby_fox]

One of these days they're going to figure out the cause of cancer is something else entirely unrelated to carcinogens. Only then will they be able to cure it.

 

[linsivvi]

So, why do these experts ignore canola oil?

Canola oil goes through a similar factory process that makes it highly unhealthy.
http://thecoconutmama.com/how-canola-oil-is-made/?m

Once the rapeseed is collected, magnetized rods attempt to remove any foreign metal that may have been introduced into the collection of seed.

Afterwards, a 60+ minute wash of a hexane solvent.
After the hexane wash is complete, a wash of sodium hydroxide is performed.

The “natural” waxes are collected and used to aid in the creation of vegetable shortening.

Bleach is then introduced to lighten the cloudy color of the processed oil.

Steam injection is then applied to remove the bitter smell

Olive and cococnut oils are good because they were extracted without going though a disgusting process like above.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Canola oil goes through a similar factory process that makes it highly unhealthy.
http://thecoconutmama.com/how-canola-oil-is-made/?m


Olive and cococnut oils are good because they were extracted without going though a disgusting process like above.

Bleach? FUCKING BLEACH?

 

[borborygmus]

Bleach? FUCKING BLEACH?

FYI White flour is literally bleached. It's fine though, just don't follow an extreme diet.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Bleach? FUCKING BLEACH?

There's way worse going on with a lot of everyday foods.

 

[AnAnole]

"Everything causes cancer" is the laziest thinking imaginable

 

[entremet]

Bleach? FUCKING BLEACH?

Rapeseed oil used to be used for industrial processes, so yeah.

 

[BlackSalad]

Bleach? FUCKING BLEACH?

The oil bleaching process hasn't used actual bleach (the base) in since the early 1900s. The bleaching process today uses bleaching clay, a type of absorbent. Its a fine sand like material that acts similarly to activated carbon or silica.

Just to give you a rundown on actual oil processing.

1) Extraction (can be done with solvent or pressing)
2) Degumming (usually done with citric acid and water)
3) Neutralization (removal of free fatty acids with sodium hydroxide, creating soap)
4) Bleaching (using absorbents to remove excess soap and remove color bodies)
5) Deodorization (high temperature and low pressure distillation of volatile components with steam injection)

There are separations between each step to remove the unwanted material formed.

The end result is a low color, low odor, stable and relatively taste-less oil.

www.lipidlibrary.com is a good resource if you want to know more information about vegetable oil processing.

Olive and cococnut oils are good because they were extracted without going though a disgusting process like above.

my facility solvent extracts olive and coconut oilseed meal. The type of oil does not signify how it was extracted unless it is classified as virgin or extra virgin oil.

 

[jmdajr]

All I use is olive oil.

 

[jmdajr]

are peanuts vetablaes?

legumes technically.

 

[careful]

What about 'light' olive oil?
Seems to fly under the radar a lot, but I saw on a smoke point chart that 'light' olive oil was one of the top oils at around 468F, so I've been using mostly that for my high temperature cooking.

 

[jmdajr]

What about 'light' olive oil?
Seems to fly under the radar a lot, but I saw on a smoke point chart that 'light' olive oil was one of the top oils at around 468F, so I've been using mostly that for my high temperature cooking.

Same here. You know what else has a high flash point?

Grapeseed oil. And it's not that expensive.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

What about 'light' olive oil?
Seems to fly under the radar a lot, but I saw on a smoke point chart that 'light' olive oil was one of the top oils at around 468F, so I've been using mostly that for my high temperature cooking.

Depending on the brand light olive oil is either lower quality olive oil or olive oil blended with vegetable oils.

 

[Always-honest]

So.... Potatochips every night isn't healthy after all?
Fuck me.

 

[jmdajr]

Depending on the brand light olive oil is either lower quality olive oil or olive oil blended with vegetable oils.

It would be listed in the ingredient lost no?

 

[atr0cious]

Been using coconut forever..

It's the best for almost everything, and it tastes great.

 

[Akuun]

There's so much cancer around me that I should probably just shoot myself and get it over with.

Seriously though, I wonder if other studies back this up because this flies in the face of a lot of things.

 

[Krauser Kat]

looks for Pomace oil if you want the least amount of processing in your oils.

Coconut is the bomb though.

 

[mantidor]

But isn't olive oil bad too when used to fry stuff?

I read somewhere that olive oil is healthy when used pure, but when used to fry things it release more fats or something than regular vegetable oil.

Bah screw all these studies, food science is getting pretty ridiculous at this point.

 

[eddie4]

But isn't olive oil bad too when used to fry stuff?

I read somewhere that olive oil is healthy when used pure, but when used to fry things it release more fats or something than regular vegetable oil.

Bah screw all these studies, food science is getting pretty ridiculous at this point.

Yeah i heard the same too. I just use olive oil on my salads and whatnot. I never cook or fry with it. Coconut oil and butter is what I use for everything else.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Haven't used vegetable oil for home cooking in years. Always olive oil, butter, or more recently coconut oil.

 

[juliushandle]

I'm a fitness/health nut, a home chef, and my wife is in the food science industry.

For high temp cooking we use ghee or coconut oil. For low temp we use butter or olive oil.

Oh, get grass fed cow butter like Kerrygold brand. It cost the same but taste better and is healthier.

"Grass-Fed Butter is Loaded With Vitamin-K2, The Missing Nutrient That De-Calcifies Your Arteries"

http://authoritynutrition.com/grass-fed-butter-superfood-for-the-heart/

 

[mrklaw]

I figure the best approach is to take food intravenously for your actual needs, and then build a bypass into your throat so you eat what the fuck you like and it comes out of your neck into a little bag which you then throw away.

 

[jmdajr]

But isn't olive oil bad too when used to fry stuff?

I read somewhere that olive oil is healthy when used pure, but when used to fry things it release more fats or something than regular vegetable oil.

Bah screw all these studies, food science is getting pretty ridiculous at this point.

Yes. You can't fry with extra virgin. It burns up.

Anyone ever try Avocado oil? Man it's expensive.

 

[Pagusas]

Ive been cooking with olive and coconut oil now for years. I honestly cant remember the last time I used vegetable oil in anything but baking.

 

[maximum360]

Apologize for the sass, but we've known for a long time that vegetable oils are terrible due to high omega 6 content. If you follow the research you should have been avoiding them already in favor of butter, coconut oil, olive oil, lard, and possibly red palm oil if you are OK with its environmental impact,

The only way this news impacts me is that restaurants always use these bad oils due to their cheapness.

There was also a study comparing the effects on different oils on your overall health. They found that Soybean oil was the worse even when compared to straight up fructose. Soybean oil is and fructose are in just about every processed food in existence. :/

 

[DJ_Lae]

Anyone ever try Avocado oil? Man it's expensive.

Costco has it cheaper than anywhere else if you want to try it.

I like it - great for high heat, and it imparts absolutely no flavour to whatever you're cooking. It's just expensive as shit so I use it sparingly and only for times when I need it.

Otherwise it's lard for baking, butter for sauces, and olive for salad dressings.

 

[SliceSabre]

Every causes cancer I swear.

 

[Irishmantis]

Food science articles give me cancer

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

I've been frying with EV Olive Oil for years. Doesn't destroy the taste or smoke up as long as the heat is kept low.

Also, I believe all oils release more fat when heated. It's not exclusive to Olive Oil.

Please correct me if I am wrong tho.

The oil bleaching process hasn't used actual bleach (the base) in since the early 1900s. The bleaching process today uses bleaching clay, a type of absorbent. Its a fine sand like material that acts similarly to activated carbon or silica.

Just to give you a rundown on actual oil processing.

1) Extraction (can be done with solvent or pressing)
2) Degumming (usually done with citric acid and water)
3) Neutralization (removal of free fatty acids with sodium hydroxide, creating soap)
4) Bleaching (using absorbents to remove excess soap and remove color bodies)
5) Deodorization (high temperature and low pressure distillation of volatile components with steam injection)

There are separations between each step to remove the unwanted material formed.

The end result is a low color, low odor, stable and relatively taste-less oil.

www.lipidlibrary.com is a good resource if you want to know more information about vegetable oil processing.



my facility solvent extracts olive and coconut oilseed meal. The type of oil does not signify how it was extracted unless it is classified as virgin or extra virgin oil.

Thanks for the very informative post!

I use EV oil only which I believe has a more straight forward extraction process through cold pressing Olives.

FYI White flour is literally bleached. It's fine though, just don't follow an extreme diet.

There's way worse going on with a lot of everyday foods.

Rapeseed oil used to be used for industrial processes, so yeah.

Yeah, I suppose if you look at a lot of different food extraction processes it will freak people out.

 

[Rainy Dog]

Guess I'll try coconut oil, never used it before.

No going back once you do.

 

[juliushandle]

Not enough ghee talk. It's amazing, if you like the taste of butter but hate that butter browns when you use it to cook then you'll love ghee. Great for when you don't want the taste of coconut in your food.

 

[God Dayumm]

This is surprising because I thought coconut oil was not good for frying, but it seems it is even better than lard. And the unhealthiness of vegetables oils has been known since decades ago, this is not some "lol, everything causes cancer" thing

 

[harSon]

what about Chinese sewage oil

No going back once you do.

unless youre on a budget

 

[AnAnole]

Every causes cancer I swear.

If my risk goes from 1/1000,000 to 1/90000 from a certain behavior, I'm not concerned with altering my behavior that exposes me to that particular carcinogen. However, if I can avoid a carcinogen I regularly encounter that causes my risk to go from 1 / 100000 to 1/10 of developing cancer, I'm doing everything I can to avoid/minimize that risk. It's amazing that magnitude of risk is never discussed when these kinds of headlines come out.

"Everything causes cancer / is going to kill you" highlights an annoyingly lazy and uninsightful mode of thinking.

No, everything doesn't "cause" cancer. Magnitude of risk is what you should be concerned about. And if you can easily avoid a carcinogen for a safer alternative, why not go with the alternative?

 

[linsivvi]

The oil bleaching process hasn't used actual bleach (the base) in since the early 1900s. The bleaching process today uses bleaching clay, a type of absorbent. Its a fine sand like material that acts similarly to activated carbon or silica.

Just to give you a rundown on actual oil processing.

1) Extraction (can be done with solvent or pressing)
2) Degumming (usually done with citric acid and water)
3) Neutralization (removal of free fatty acids with sodium hydroxide, creating soap)
4) Bleaching (using absorbents to remove excess soap and remove color bodies)
5) Deodorization (high temperature and low pressure distillation of volatile components with steam injection)

There are separations between each step to remove the unwanted material formed.

The end result is a low color, low odor, stable and relatively taste-less oil.

www.lipidlibrary.com is a good resource if you want to know more information about vegetable oil processing.



my facility solvent extracts olive and coconut oilseed meal. The type of oil does not signify how it was extracted unless it is classified as virgin or extra virgin oil.

The end result is a harmful oil that is high in omega 6 and low in omega 3 that is unnatural and fucks up the human body.

Please stop trying to confuse people as if these oils are healthy. They are not. We have science to back this up.

Thanks for the very informative post!

He recommended sunflower and canola oil over olive oil a couple pages ago, going against a whole bunch of scientific researches and biological facts. I'd take his posts with a grain of salt if I were you.

 

[Muppet of a Man]

I thought Olive oil was a veg oil?

Olives and coconuts are the fruit of the plant botanically. Olive oil is rich in monounsaturated fats, while coconuts are saturated in saturated fats (medium chain triglycerides specifically). Neither are high in polyunsaturated fats, which are what is being implicated as the problem via this study.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

The end result is a harmful oil that is high in omega 6 and low in omega 3 that is unnatural and fucks up the human body.

Please stop trying to confuse people as if these oils are healthy. They are not. We have science to back this up.



He recommended sunflower and canola oil over olive oil a couple pages ago, going against a whole bunch of scientific researches and biological facts. I'd take his posts with a grain of salt if I were you.

I'm fairly certain canola oil is recommended by several health organizations precisely because it does have a higher omega-3 content than other processed vegetable oils.

Edit: Also, I don't much care for coconut oil, because it imparts the flavor of coconut, which is gross.

 

[skybald]

Olive and cococnut oils are good because they were extracted without going though a disgusting process like above.

What exactly is disgusting about the process?

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I'm reasonably sure that good quality extra virgin olive oil has a relatively high smoke point, but the issue is that you don't want to use the really good quality kind because you lose a lot of the flavor.

The really good stuff is basically drinkable.

 

[Muppet of a Man]

So virtually everything causes cancer, and if it doesn't it probably gives you heart failure, lung failure, or a stroke?

I'm past caring about every scare story that runs these days. I eat and drink in moderation, and get regular exercise. After all that, whatever will be will be. I'd think I'd rather live 20 years less than give up every pleasure in life.

Oh, and I'm not really impressed by a scientist quoted in the article saying what he believes about Omega 6. To paraphrase a line from one of my favourite films, "it doesn't matter what you believe, it only matters what you can prove". He should know better.

Way to take things out of context. It's been thought for a while now that polyunsaturated fats (Omega-6 fats) would cause cancer when exposed to heat and/or industrially refined. The same fats don't do the same things when not treated as such. So, you can continue to eat edamame, peanuts, nuts, and seeds. Just don't use oils extracted from them for cooking purposes.

Also, this little chart from wikipedia ought to help everyone out on which oils to choose for cooking purposes. Just choose oils that have a very small blue portion to the bar (i.e., blue = increased risk of cancer and heart disease):

 

[Flo_Evans]

I just use good old 10w-40 for my cooking needs.

 

[jmdajr]

I'll like to see grapeseed and avacado in that chart.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

The end result is a harmful oil that is high in omega 6 and low in omega 3 that is unnatural and fucks up the human body.

Please stop trying to confuse people as if these oils are healthy. They are not. We have science to back this up.



He recommended sunflower and canola oil over olive oil a couple pages ago, going against a whole bunch of scientific researches and biological facts. I'd take his posts with a grain of salt if I were you.

Don't worry. I aint switching from Olive Oil.

 

[Muppet of a Man]

I'll like to see grapeseed and avacado in that chart.

I'm not sure how grapeseed would breakdown, but avocado is very similar in composition to olive oil (very low in polyunsaturated, high in monounsaturated, moderate amount of saturated fat).

Avocado is a great cooking oil because it's basically like olive oil nutritionally but with a very high smoke point.

 

[darkwing]

they should just ban vegetable oil at this point

 

[DarkHeartedKill]

At this point we're gonna end up surving merely on water.