Cops Are Scum Part 5,321,876: Deputy Tasers 72-Year-Old Woman Over Speeding Ticket

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Amon37 said:
I love how they say "a grandma" got tasered instead of just saying "a woman". News sensationalism at its finest.

She was being an old bag and then later trying to play the "little ole grandma" card.

The dashcam clearly shows her being argumentative and resisting, I'd be interested to see her after she see's the dashcam footage.


You don't seem to undersrtand that tasers are meant to be used as a 'less-lethal' means to subdue someone under silmiliar circumstances where they might use their gun.

Cops really are sh*t.
 
iapetus said:
And as always in this sort of thread, people assume that one side was in the right and the other was in the wrong. Can't it be that they both acted like assholes?

They both are assholes. Last I checked though being an asshole to a cop isn't illegal or warrant tasing. Now you could say you are an idiot for being an asshole to a cop, and daring him to tase you is a pretty bad idea and I wouldn't argue with that. My problem is that this whole situation could of been easily avoided if the cop had restrained her in the normal way, or *GASP* just letting her sign the ticket after she had her little rant.
 
daegan said:
THIS. I came in here explicitly to post this. This is the first thing I thought when I saw this as well. The officer's other option here is to physically restrain her but I do see it as that could potentially cause more harm than this did.

Use the physcial force necessary to subdue a senior (and risk injury) vs. Tasering (and risk heart failure)...is it really that tough of a judgement call? If she's really that frail then she won't put up that much of a fight.
 
TheRagnCajun said:
Use the physcial force necessary to subdue a senior (and risk injury) vs. Tasering (and risk heart failure)...is it really that tough of a judgement call? If she's really that frail then she won't put up that much of a fight.

He shoved her twice before even firing his taser. Didn't really seem that interested in her health or well being. Also if you watch the video with the sound cranked he fired another jolt of the taser when she was already on the ground.
 
Hilarious. I don't care if that bitch is 72 or 17...her actions justified the tasering.

And nice thread title douchebag. Here are a few more possibilities for future stories:

- Blacks Are Scum Part 5,321,876: Black Mugs 72-Year-Old Woman

- Jews Are Scum Part 5,231,876...

- Whites Are Scum Part 5,231,876....

- Arabs Are Scum Part 5,231,876....

etc...
 
Flo_Evans said:
They both are assholes. Last I checked though being an asshole to a cop isn't illegal or warrant tasing. Now you could say you are an idiot for being an asshole to a cop, and daring him to tase you is a pretty bad idea and I wouldn't argue with that. My problem is that this whole situation could of been easily avoided if the cop had restrained her in the normal way, or *GASP* just letting her sign the ticket after she had her little rant.
She was resisting arrest...and yeah that is illegal.
 
nyong said:
Hilarious. I don't care if that bitch is 72 or 17...her actions justified the tasering.

And nice thread title douchebag. Here are a few more possibilities for future stories:

- Blacks Are Scum Part 5,321,876: Black Mugs 72-Year-Old Woman

- Jews Are Scum Part 5,231,876...

- Whites Are Scum Part 5,231,876....

- Arabs Are Scum Part 5,231,876....

etc...

Well, if you really wanted to hit the point home, the example:

- Gays Are Scum Part 5,231,876....

would work as well.
 
ShinAmano said:
She was resisting arrest...and yeah that is illegal.

Was arrest even a necessary option here though? I would say no, she agreed to sign the ticket after getting out of the car.

So if you are doing something illegal that gives cops the right to tase you? So he could of just tased her for the initial traffic violation then? That is what you are saying.

Once again it returns to the problem of police using tasers as coercion instead of a less than lethal self defense weapon they are intended to be.
 
I lost all respect due to old people when I worked as security staff in a hostel ("yes sir, afraid you can't park there. Stop holding your fist to my face, or I'll have to call police. No, I don't make up those rules, you can actually notice the emergency parking zone for ambulances and firetrucks properly painted since a few years ago. No, I'm not legally obliged to show you my id with my name and address, but I can actually call the police to ask that of you for endangering the other customers, and they might even give you some yummy lollipops at the police HQ. Yeah, nice day to you too.").

Never gone back to such employment where you have to interact regularly with such assholes. I know I can't be a cop cause I'd have tasered the likes of her until the batteries were empty, then loaded new ones to keep tasering.
 
nyong said:
Hilarious. I don't care if that bitch is 72 or 17...her actions justified the tasering.

And nice thread title douchebag. Here are a few more possibilities for future stories:

- Blacks Are Scum Part 5,321,876: Black Mugs 72-Year-Old Woman

- Jews Are Scum Part 5,231,876...

- Whites Are Scum Part 5,231,876....

- Arabs Are Scum Part 5,231,876....

etc...


Cops are an ethnic group?
 
nyong said:
Hilarious. I don't care if that bitch is 72 or 17...her actions justified the tasering.

And nice thread title douchebag. Here are a few more possibilities for future stories:

- Blacks Are Scum Part 5,321,876: Black Mugs 72-Year-Old Woman

- Jews Are Scum Part 5,231,876...

- Whites Are Scum Part 5,231,876....

- Arabs Are Scum Part 5,231,876....

etc...

So people are born as cops now?

Edit: Barely beaten.
 
"Cops are scum?"

Shut the fuck up.

This PERSON is scum (though I haven't watched the video yet, so my opinion could easily change). Every job has people who are scum. Most cops are not like this. Relax.
 
Flo_Evans said:
Was arrest even a necessary option here though? I would say no, she agreed to sign the ticket after getting out of the car.

So if you are doing something illegal that gives cops the right to tase you? So he could of just tased her for the initial traffic violation then? That is what you are saying.

Once again it returns to the problem of police using tasers as coercion instead of a less than lethal self defense weapon they are intended to be.
So if you rob someone at gunpoint then decide to give back the money did you still not commit a crime?

She broke the law, resisted arrest and was overall a bitch to the cop. He tried to restrain her she fought back...he warned MULTIPLE times if she continued to fight him he would taze her...yeah he was justified in his actions.

Tazers are less then lethal...
 
Interesting rationalizing. "She asked to be tased." So the police take requests now? If I asked the cops to break my clavicles, and they did it, during a routine traffic stop, would that be OK too?
 
ShinAmano said:
Tazers are less then lethal...
They've been more than less than lethal to about 350 people in the US. If this woman had a pacemaker what chance would she have had to survive, I wonder.
 
The woman was being a douche, but the taser was in no way necessary. He could have easily just grabbed her arms behind her back, and handcuffed her. Tasers can be deadly, and should only be used when necessary.

Tackling would not be necessary to arrest the woman GAF. Seriously. Big late 30's guy, against weak 72 year old woman. Honestly. Some of you guys are idiots.
 
Schattenjagger said:
you ----------> X



the point -----> •



GENERALIZATION AM BAD!!!

duuur. his examples are still shit.



would people be so pissed off at the title if it were:

"Politicians Are Scum Part 5,321,876"

??????


or how about


"Lawyers Are Scum Part 5,321,876"


??????
 
quadriplegicjon said:
Cops are an ethnic group?

You're absolutely right. How silly of me to have a problem with applying the actions of an individual against an entire group. Try these:

Soldiers Are Scum Part 5,231,876.....

Liberals Are Scum Part 5,231,876....

Gays Are Scum Part 5,231,876....

Blacks nor Jews nor Whites are an ethnic group
 
This seemed justified.

I hate taking the cops side twice in a row, but the grandma definitely provoked the cop enough, then lied about it her interview.

A lot of people are being "ra ra, you can't taser an old woman" but I don't think the cop had a lot of choice. Considering pepper-spray and the taser are the police's debilitating weapons any physical restraint would be "unwarrented assault". He would probably get his ass handed to him in court if he tried to simply grab the woman and yank her into compliance.

She was being uncooperative, and the officer had no choice but to her subdue her. The real issue here would be if tasers are appropriate solutions to uncooperative people, but as the law stands he was well within his means.
 
Just because you're old doesn't mean you can do whatever the fuck you want.

Officer: I'm gonna tase you!
Woman: I dare you!

He just called her bluff. Nothing wrong here, she was inviting it.
 
nyong said:
You're absolutely right. How silly of me to have a problem with applying the actions of an individual against an entire group. Try these:

Soldiers Are Scum Part 5,231,876.....

Liberals Are Scum Part 5,231,876....

Gays Are Scum Part 5,231,876....

Blacks nor Jews are an ethnic group


gays have a choice in their sexuality?


try my examples above:


"Politicians Are Scum Part 5,321,876"

"Lawyers Are Scum Part 5,321,876"


.. clearly there are certain professions.. professions where they are in a power position.. professions where there seems to be a high amount of people that take advantage of those powers.. and you will get a shit ton of disgruntled citizens..
 
ShinAmano said:
So if you rob someone at gunpoint then decide to give back the money did you still not commit a crime?

She broke the law, resisted arrest and was overall a bitch to the cop. He tried to restrain her she fought back...he warned MULTIPLE times if she continued to fight him he would taze her...yeah he was justified in his actions.

Tazers are less then lethal...

Not signing a traffic ticket is robbing someone at gun point now? :lol

Lets take your insane scenario and apply it regardless of how ridiculous it is. You pull a gun on someone, crime one. You say give me your wallet, crime 2. If you give the wallet back and don't take any money you are not guilty of robbery but you are still guilty of brandishing a weapon.

Now the woman here is guilty of speeding, then not signing the ticket. She changes her mind and decides signing the ticket is better than being arrested. So the arrest is no longer valid. so she is resisting an unlawful arrest and that is not illegal.

Again the cop could of just allowed the woman to sign and went on his way. But no, he just had to show her that he was infact incharge. Had to arrest her for a silly violation, then had to use his taser because his life was obviously in danger when she resisted unlawful incarceration.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
"Politicians Are Scum Part 5,321,876"

"Lawyers Are Scum Part 5,321,876"

.. clearly there are certain professions.. professions where they are in a power position.. professions where there seems to be a high amount of people that take advantage of those powers.. and you will get a shit ton of disgruntled citizens..

You're intentionally choosing stereotypes that most people would not find offensive. Not because they're true, but because most people (incorrectly) assume that politicians and lawyers are automatically scum. It's still a generalization, and it's still wrong.

Try a soldier if you want an offensive stereotype of an individual in a position of authority. Or a doctor (specifically an abortion doctor).
 
nyong said:
You're intentionally choosing stereotypes that most people would not find offensive. Not because they're true, but because most people (incorrectly) assume that politicians and lawyers are automatically scum. It's still a generalization, and it's still wrong.

Try a soldier if you want an offensive stereotype of an individual in a position of authority. Or a doctor (specifically an abortion doctor).


yeah. no shit.. seems like we are playing the same game. at least we are sticking to professions now instead of trying to mix in ethnicities... and other groups where choice is not involved.
 
ImperialConquest said:
You don't seem to undersrtand that tasers are meant to be used as a 'less-lethal' means to subdue someone under silmiliar circumstances where they might use their gun.

Cops really are sh*t.
That woman was shit. The officer could have (not necessarily in order of preference):

1. Physically forced her into submission, probably hurting her delicate elderly female body very badly (I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt here, since she her thundercunt demeanor doesn't exactly fit with the word "delicate")

2. Used pepper spray (not sure if used in the affecting state but it's an option here) in which case she could die from some sort of cardio or respiratory issues

3. Shoot her

4. Taser her

Did you see how combative she become suddenly when the taser was mentioned? Dollar signs probably came to her senile mind at that moment. Wow... cop will taser me, and I'll be RICH. Seriously. The cop asked her to sign a fucking speeding ticket that she got fair and square.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
yeah. no shit.. seems like we are playing the same game. at least we are sticking to professions now instead of trying to mix in ethnicities... and other groups where choice is not involved.

Except I happen to know that there are cops on this board who would find the thread title offensive. The popular opinion is rarely correct simply by virtue of being popular. And my original post was completely relevant. If there is anything that GAF responds to, it's racism. It was an obvious connection to make.
 
I think the thing most people arent getting here is that being a cop is a job just like any other. In my job I have to deal with argumentative, bitchy, annoying people all the time. Does that mean I get to fucking taser them? She posed no threat to him what so ever.
So she is not complying.... so he has to get her to sign the ticket and deal with her attitude... SO WHAT ITS HIS JOB! You all act like hes doing her a favor by enforcing the law even though hes getting paid for it.
 
Tasing was definitely the only option he had left available. I mean, he can't just put her arms behind her back and cuff her while she's standing, that'd require some kind of training or something!
 
nyong said:
Except I happen to know that there are cops on this board who would find the thread title offensive. The popular opinion is rarely correct simply by virtue of being popular. And my original post was completely relevant. If there is anything that GAF responds to, it's racism. It was an obvious connection to make.


okay. my original point was about your example use..


but lets go with this.. would you go into a thread titled "Politicians Are Scum Part 5,321,876" and bitch about the title?

i seriously doubt it.
 
Holy fuck, what's with all the assholes in here saying "cops are shit"? You stupid ungrateful fuckheads can go to hell. Cops provide an invaluable service to society, and often put their lives on the line to do so.

http://gdog29.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/hero-police-officer-saves-mother-son-from-oncoming-train/
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/jun/05/no-headline---05fhero/
http://www.wsls.com/sls/news/local/...r_puts_life_on_the_line_to_save_someone/7432/
http://www.suicide.org/michael-agati-and-david-hozempa-prevent-suicide.html
http://www.wset.com/news/stories/0509/618837.html

Look at these assholes. I mean, saving a kid from a burning building? Rescuing a guy from the river? Evacuating a mother and child from a fast approaching train? WHAT SCUM! Boy, life sure would be better without them, durr.

The video in the OP doesn't even help your pathetic sensationalist agenda, since the old woman was clearly crazy as fuck. What the hell did she expect? The cop isn't gonna take that passive-aggressive resistance bullshit all day long. Grandma was begging (literally) to be tased. Also, don't think a routine traffic stop can be dangerous? BAM! This guy got SHOT IN THE FACE.

Police defense force REPORTING FOR DUTY
 
Meanwhile, in LaLa Land:

A traffic stop for speeding in Travis County, Texas, led to the Tasering of a 22-year-old black man by a deputy. Feisty Jerome Wilson apparently so frightened the law-enforcement officer when he "used some profanity" and "got violent" that he felt it necessary to subdue him with a potentially dangerous jolt of electricity.

Wilson was reportedly doing 60 in a construction zone where the posted speed limit was 45 when she was pulled over. He was ticketed but declined to sign the ticket, leading the police officer to place him under arrest lest civilization collapse for want of the surrender of a penny's worth of ink.

At this point, the stories diverge. According to Precinct 3 Constable Richard McCain, Wilson cursed and refused to cooperate. He says nothing of the sort occurred. "I wasn't argumentative, I was not combative. This is a lie," the man told a news reporter for Fox 7.

Either way, it's difficult to see how the issuance of a speeding ticket to a black man devolved to the point where a grown, trained law-enforcement officer could be considered justified in subjecting the speeder to an electric jolt intended to disrupt his nervous system -- no matter what command of profanity he displayed.

Given that the speeding ticket had already been issued, it's also difficult to understand what purpose was served by prolonging the encounter and demanding a signature. A similar incident in Utah in 2007 between a state trooper and a motorist also resulted in a Tasering after the driver declined to sign a speeding ticket. In that case, the officer escalated the matter to a violent conclusion even though Utah law doesn't actually require a signature. Texas law apparently follows the same reasoning, considering the signature merely a promise to appear in court, not a necessity for the validity of the ticket itself.
Jared Massey, the Utah motorist, was ultimately awarded $40,000 as compensation for the abuse he suffered at the hands of Trooper Jon Gardner.

The use of Tasers is controversial because, while they are often presented as non-lethal devices, they are actually less-lethal alternatives to firearms. According to Amnesty International, "ince June 2001, more than 351 individuals in the United States have died after being shocked by police Tasers." Tasers can interfere with proper cardiac function, even resulting in death. Logically enough, people with pacemakers, such as might be expected among older people, are at particular risk, according to a 2007 study.
A research paper prepared for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (PDF) found that some Tasers give an even bigger jolt than intended, with resultingly higher risks to the proper function of the heart.

As such, Tasers make the most sense in situations where force has to be used, as alternatives to shooting or clubbing a suspect; they aren't appropriately applied to suspects who have simply annoyed police officers.

After being Tasered along the road for failing to put pen to paper, Jerome Wilson was taken to jail and booked for resisting arrest and detention. Not surprisingly, he's hired a lawyer.




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Fuck off the police are scum. That woman acted like a 5 year old, and still was acting like a 5 year old in the interview and at the scene. Age and gender is irrelevant, the police officer used necessary force to stay in control. She was acting violently and behaving stupidly. What difference does it make whether she is a 72 yo woman or a 40 yo man.
 
Puck said:
Fuck off the police are scum. That woman acted like a 5 year old, and still was acting like a 5 year old in the interview and at the scene. Age and gender is irrelevant, the police officer used necessary force to stay in control. She was acting violently and behaving stupidly. What difference does it make whether she is a 72 yo woman or a 40 yo man.
Dude, tasers can kill. You don't understand. It's not a god damn mother fucking toy. The woman was not a threat to the fucking cop, so he had no god damn reason to use the taser. End of story.
 
whitehawk said:
Dude, tasers can kill. You don't understand. It's not a god damn mother fucking toy. The woman was not a threat to the fucking cop, so he had no god damn reason to use the taser. End of story.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH*breathe*AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Stop making stupid presumptions. Watch the video again. Notice how she is clearly resisting arrest, slowly backing away from the cop. If I were that cop, I would be scared shitless, because A) She's already taken the first step of defying a direct order, and B) She's old. Yes, SHE'S OLD, which, contrary to making her docile and helpless (an insulting stereotype, by the way), actually makes her susceptible to dementia and panic (not an insulting stereotype here because she is CLEARLY CRAZY). I could go your route and throw baseless observations out there, like

She was definitely going to kill that cop if he hadn't tased her

but that would be foolish and untrue. The intelligent thing to do would be to play it safe, presume the worst is possible, and take the appropriate route from there, which, SURPRISE, is exactly what the cop did.
 
iapetus said:
And as always in this sort of thread, people assume that one side was in the right and the other was in the wrong. Can't it be that they both acted like assholes?

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Flo_Evans said:
They both are assholes. Last I checked though being an asshole to a cop isn't illegal .

well, it is if it's in the form of obstruction or resisting arrest /nitpick
 
whitehawk said:
Dude, tasers can kill. You don't understand. It's not a god damn mother fucking toy. The woman was not a threat to the fucking cop, so he had no god damn reason to use the taser. End of story.
What should the cop have done instead?
 
Zabka said:
What should the cop have done instead?
Obviously he should have let her:

1) Freak out to the point that she starts flailing wildly, hurting herself or the cop.
2) Run out in traffic
3) Push him into traffic (from which he was standing about two feet away)

With so many other viable options, it's a shame he had to resort to ending the conflict in a way that no one was endangered further. Effin scumbag.
 
Zabka said:
What should the cop have done instead?
Grabbed her and handcuffed her. Pepper spray at most if she shows to be difficult to arrest (which I doubt. The guy turned to his taser right away.) Maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about, but a woman refusing a speeding ticket does not need to get tased.
 
whitehawk said:
Grabbed her and handcuffed her. Pepper spray at most if she shows to be difficult to arrest (which I doubt. The guy turned to his taser right away.)
He did try to handcuff her. If it became a real struggle he would have likely caused her severe injury.
 
whitehawk said:
Grabbed her and handcuffed her. Pepper spray at most if she shows to be difficult to arrest (which I doubt. The guy turned to his taser right away.)

See, with a resisting geriatric, "grabbing her" could be more complicated than you make it sound.

I guarantee if he had grabbed her and she had broken a wrist in the ensuing scuffle, lots of GAF would be all over the cop, calling him a piece of scum for not simply tasing her. It's hard to know what to do in these situations, that's for damn sure.
 
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