Cops Are Scum Part 5,321,876: Deputy Tasers 72-Year-Old Woman Over Speeding Ticket

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I don't know what video you guys were watching, but I saw an old lady get what was coming to her.

:lol at the comments:

when he shoots her he screams "TASER" lmao its like hes announcing like a move, like pokemon or somthng ahahah

:lol :lol :lol :lol so true.
 
The cop did the only thing that he should do. He even repeatedly warned her.
An old person is not a child.
 
Maybe the police officer should have just pushed the lady into traffic. This idiot should have just taken the ticket she deserved, now she is wasting your resources trying to get herself cleared.
 
Normally I side with anyone other than asshole cops, but the old lady had it coming. If she were 22 instead of 72 this would be a non-story. If the cop asks you to do anything 5 times and warns you of the consequences, then my advice would be to do it.
 
Puck said:
Maybe the police officer should have just pushed the lady into traffic. This idiot should have just taken the ticket she deserved, now she is wasting your resources trying to get herself cleared.
Ya, I will agree that the woman is a complete idiot, who probably shouldn't be driving. She had no excuse for speeding, and no reason to just refuse to sign the ticket and get out of the car.
 
Finally watched it. The only scummy thing is seeing people like the OP call cops scum because of something like this.

She was a rude, privileged, bitch. She broke the law, putting OTHER people in danger, gave the cop attitude as soon as he came to the window, refused to sign a speeding ticket, tried to get back into the car, and he warned her FIVE TIMES she would get tased.

She deserved it.
 
For once on GAF, I actually agree a little bit with the 'it's excessive' crowd only because it is an old lady and the cop should be able to control/subdue her or at least get her controlled long enough for backup if he needed it. Might not have needed to go the tazer route.

But then again, if he'd have shoved her down and tried to control her people here would still be screaming 'brutality' anyway so...:lol

Other than that, yeah - she's stupid for doing what she was doing. You would think someone that old would know enough than to try and tell a cop she's 'going back to my car'.

Stupid people get less-than-ideal outcomes. I have no problem with that.
 
I can understand saying that using a taser in this situation is unnecessary.

Really, you could say the cop was an ass for even taking the thing out.

However, at the same time, you can say that the old woman had it coming when she didn't listen to the five warnings that were given to her.

"I'm going to tase you if you don't comply."
"Fine. Tase me!"

Even if you said the cop was being an ass, you can also say that the old woman let things escalate. We've all had bad experiences with cops, but usually you comply and move on in order to avoid escalation. This woman did not comply after she'd been warned, and it would've been very easy for her to do so. Therefore, she opens herself up to the taser.

Hell, didn't she realize her mistake? The cop taking out the taser may have been a little excessive, but why would the woman continue to fight if she'd already changed her mind after getting out of the truck? If you're that stupid, maybe you deserve to be subdued.
 
Can self-righteous-GAF stop calling speeding a CRIME in big, bad bold letters, unless they've never exceeded the limit themselves? Nor pretend that a police officer should be frightened and wary of a 72-year-old woman? I'd say he's legally-covered in tasering her, but was that the optimal choice? She really could have died, that should have been a high consideration of the cop.

I read the topic title with an implied "individual" slant, rather than a collective, but I might be giving too much credit.

I prefer a video like this (NSFW language). Cop doesn't take shit, but doesn't draw a weapon or arrest the guy, either (and yes, the guy probably legally deserved it). Cops can use discretion, too. In the case of the woman, why not let her go after she agrees to sign the ticket? Resisting arrest is such a chickenshit charge, anyway, unless you're actually slugging it out with the cops.

And daring the cop to go ahead and tase you is enough legal justification? How about if you say, "Why don't you just go ahead and kill me?" :lol
 
adamsappel said:
And daring the cop to go ahead and tase you is enough legal justification? How about if you say, "Why don't you just go ahead and kill me?" :lol
Who cares about the boundaries, though? Why does it matter whether or not cops are "pushing it" with their practices?

Yeah, the cop may have been an ass for taking the taser out, and you can say that discredits him. Bad cop! However, the old woman was being dumb by not complying. No matter what, she was going to get a ticket for speeding, and she stupidly chose the hard way out when she had more options than that, regardless of what the cop did.

It most definitely is a case where both sides were too agressive for their own good, but at the same time, it's obvious that the old woman could've chosen to be the better person and instead gave that up for...nothing.
 
Why does she have to sign for the ticket?

I get pulled over, cop hands me a ticket, says "slow down" and lets me go. I never even get out of my car.
 
Rorschach said:
I'm 72! I can do what I want!
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DrForester said:
Why does she have to sign for the ticket?
Because the cop is on the sort of power trip that borders on mental illness.

Look, the lady was a pain, but that's not a good enough reason to use a potentially lethal weapon on her.
 
Mercury Fred said:
Because the cop is on the sort of power trip that borders on mental illness.
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Texas law states you have to sign the ticket. He has the authority to arrest her then.

Doesn't it suck to be wrong all the time?
 
Schattenjagger said:
Texas law states you have to sign the ticket. He has the authority to arrest her then.
All right then, well obviously he took it way too easy on her and should have shot her in the leg too. She had it coming to her.
 
Schattenjagger said:
Texas law states you have to sign the ticket. He has the authority to arrest her then.

Doesn't it suck to be wrong all the time?

A traffic stop for speeding in Travis County, Texas, led to the Tasering of a 72-year-old great-grandmother by a deputy. Feisty Kathryn Winkfein apparently so frightened the law-enforcement officer when she "used some profanity" and "got violent" that he felt it necessary to subdue her with a potentially dangerous jolt of electricity.
Winkfein was reportedly doing 60 in a construction zone where the posted speed limit was 45 when she was pulled over. She was ticketed but declined to sign the ticket, leading the police officer to place her under arrest lest civilization collapse for want of the surrender of a penny's worth of ink.

At this point, the stories diverge. According to Precinct 3 Constable Richard McCain, Winkfein cursed and refused to cooperate. She says nothing of the sort occurred. "I wasn't argumentative, I was not combative. This is a lie," the woman told a news reporter for Fox 7.

Either way, it's difficult to see how the issuance of a speeding ticket to an elderly woman devolved to the point where a grown, trained law-enforcement officer could be considered justified in subjecting the speeder to an electric jolt intended to disrupt her nervous system -- no matter what command of profanity she displayed.

Given that the speeding ticket had already been issued, it's also difficult to understand what purpose was served by prolonging the encounter and demanding a signature. A similar incident in Utah in 2007 between a state trooper and a motorist also resulted in a Tasering after the driver declined to sign a speeding ticket. In that case, the officer escalated the matter to a violent conclusion even though Utah law doesn't actually require a signature. Texas law apparently follows the same reasoning, considering the signature merely a promise to appear in court, not a necessity for the validity of the ticket itself.
Jared Massey, the Utah motorist, was ultimately awarded $40,000 as compensation for the abuse he suffered at the hands of Trooper Jon Gardner.

The use of Tasers is controversial because, while they are often presented as non-lethal devices, they are actually less-lethal alternatives to firearms. According to Amnesty International, "ince June 2001, more than 351 individuals in the United States have died after being shocked by police Tasers." Tasers can interfere with proper cardiac function, even resulting in death. Logically enough, people with pacemakers, such as might be expected among older people, are at particular risk, according to a 2007 study.
A research paper prepared for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (PDF) found that some Tasers give an even bigger jolt than intended, with resultingly higher risks to the proper function of the heart.

As such, Tasers make the most sense in situations where force has to be used, as alternatives to shooting or clubbing a suspect; they aren't appropriately applied to suspects who have simply annoyed police officers.

After being Tasered along the road for failing to put pen to paper, Kathryn Winkfein was taken to jail and booked for resisting arrest and detention. Not surprisingly, she's hired a lawyer.


Am I reading this wrong or are they incorrect?
 
Mercury Fred said:
All right then, well obviously he took it way too easy on her and should have shot her in the leg too. She had it coming to her.

Person being belligerent on the shoulder of a highway, 72 year old woman or not, deserves to get tasered, if only for their own safety.
 
I live in Austin and when they showed the video on the news I think I remember her pushing him more than once right?
The linked video starts after this, but I could be wrong.

I'm not saying what the guy did was right, but that old lady was acting like an entitled college brat. By the time she changed her mind it was too damn late. You can't give people options to go back after they have broken the law just cuz they are old.

Should he have tased her? Not sure. Wrestling her near a highway seems more dangerous, but I'm not sure it would of came to that.

Either way, we give police a certain amount of power to enforce the laws and keep us safe and its counter-productive to second guess them everytime things get ugly.

Shit like this thread completely undermines the people who are real victims of brutality.

Just so you guys know, Travis county is very liberal and people here seem mostly amused by it.

I had a friend who was shot and killed by police in Florida. My dad was nearly killed by a speeding old lady.
I hate speeders more than cops.
 
speculawyer said:
Yeah . . . I don't want to bag on cops since most of them are great.

I really don't get this. I mean, what's the evidence of it? Most cops that I've crossed paths with personally (and many I've not had personal contact with but have observed through work or observed casually) are far from great. It's not like the position attracts the cream of the human crop, or anything, and it's not like it requires much in the way of credentials to become one. The attitude in the US that cops can't be criticized without the apparently requisite caveat that "most are great!" or "most are honest!" is just strange to me. You don't see that kind of thing with any other group.

Like almost all the other videos posted here, the cop in this video unnecessarily escalated a situation that did not require escalation, all because he took her refusal to sign a freaking speeding ticket--a refusal that would have had no effect on the validity of the ticket--as a personal affront to his authority. The very demand that she get out of the car to be arrested was petulant and childish. The video shows him to be extremely unprofessional, treating the citizens he is supposed to serve with disdain; he should be fired. Citizens should have no tolerance for the kind of bullshit, authoritarian attitude on display.
 
TestMonkey said:
All of the cop's actions were justified. The woman refuses to sign the ticket and then actually asks to be taken to jail. Once out of the truck, she changes her mind and resists. Cop warns her that she's about to get tazed but she ignores him. Her being 72 just makes it funny.
/agreed
refusing to sign a ticket will get you taken to jail. Don't people know the law any more?
 
The woman was out of order I agree but surely he could of just grabbed her and cuffed her up, young strong man like that vs a 72 year woman?
 
empty vessel said:
I really don't get this. I mean, what's the evidence of it? Most cops that I've crossed paths with personally (and many I've not had personal contact with but have observed through work or observed casually) are far from great.


what evidence do you have that all cops are scum?
 
Flo_Evans said:
Now the woman here is guilty of speeding, then not signing the ticket. She changes her mind and decides signing the ticket is better than being arrested. So the arrest is no longer valid. so she is resisting an unlawful arrest and that is not illegal.

Again the cop could of just allowed the woman to sign and went on his way. But no, he just had to show her that he was infact incharge. Had to arrest her for a silly violation, then had to use his taser because his life was obviously in danger when she resisted unlawful incarceration.
You realize that is the exact same scenario I presented you with...different crime same thing.

He had to arrest her because SHE BROKE THE LAW AND RESISTED ARREST.

He then used his taser becasue she was not cooperating with him.

You must live in a pretty sheltered life to think that the cop was in the wrong here...they have a job that is infinitely harder then whatever you do (unless you are in the military) and they have to deal with the scum of society on a daily basis. Grow up.
 
xDangerboy said:
what evidence do you have that all cops are scum?

Apparently more than you have that you can read. He didn't make that claim - he queried the claim that the majority of cops are great because it goes against his personal experience.
 
That lady is a bullshit artist! Listen to her talk about how she wasn't being combative or argumentative, saying it was all a lie. Then after the tape comes out she won't even answer her door!
 
What a thankless job. Scum? Give me a fucking break.

"Elderly bitch gets comeuppance" would have been a much better thread title.
 
Pseudo_Sam said:
See, with a resisting geriatric, "grabbing her" could be more complicated than you make it sound.

I guarantee if he had grabbed her and she had broken a wrist in the ensuing scuffle, lots of GAF would be all over the cop, calling him a piece of scum for not simply tasing her. It's hard to know what to do in these situations, that's for damn sure.
I had a great grandmother that died just by a nurse moving her leg and unknowingly broke her hip, I can only imagine the risk involved with forcefully restraining a resisting old person.
 
I bet this woman would have appreciated a tasing:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...s/stories/061109dnmetlewisville.68191fa4.html

Lewisville police are investigating the death of a woman who ran into traffic early this morning on Interstate 35E.

An officer on patrol saw a woman, who appeared to be in her 20s, standing in the middle of the service road around 1:40 a.m., police said.

Lewisville police Capt. Todd Taylor said the officer had to swerve out of the way to avoid hitting the woman. He then stopped and got out of the vehicle to talk with her, asking her why she was in the middle of the road and if she needed assistance.

She then darted into the northbound lanes of traffic before a tractor trailer struck her near Valley Ridge Boulevard, police said. The driver notified police of the accident. The woman was pronounced dead at the scene.
 
mAcOdIn said:
I had a great grandmother that died just by a nurse moving her leg and unknowingly broke her hip, I can only imagine the risk involved with forcefully restraining a resisting old person.

So why forcefully restrain her at all? It was entirely unnecessary except to satisfy the cop's personal thirst for the exercise of untrammeled authority.
 
That lyin ass bitch said she wasn't doing any of the shit she was. She deserved to be tased. Just because you're fucking old doesn't mean that you are above the law. You speed, you get a ticket. you don't sign, you get arrested. It's the fucking law. I really do not like old people at all. They act like because they're fossils, they get to cut in line for food first, or get to get seated first, or get to sit in front during graduation, but they shouldn't. We're all pepole. And they get the fucking discount at stores. Why should someone get a discount for anything because of age? Fuck that. Old people try to use being old as a crutch like this old bitch did. She may be 72 but she wants to talk shit like she's 30, well, you'll get tased like any other normal person would.
 
empty vessel said:
So why forcefully restrain her at all? It was entirely unnecessary except to satisfy the cop's personal thirst for the exercise of untrammeled authority.
Depends.

If it really was the law that he had to bring her in and she got what anyone else in that situation got then too bad for her.

If on the other hand after she relented and agreed that she'd sign it after he opened the door it was legal for her to sign it and drive off like nothing happened I'd agree with you.

I wouldn't have tasered her if she signed it, but if she again refused to sign it or tore it up I wouldn't feel bad about tasing her then.
 
Mercury Fred said:
All right then, well obviously he took it way too easy on her and should have shot her in the leg too. She had it coming to her.

Right, because that's exactly what he said.

Please, stop with the above it all attitude. Already lost all respect for someone who tries to pretend that all, even most, cops are "scum". Disgusting.
 
empty vessel said:
So why forcefully restrain her at all? It was entirely unnecessary except to satisfy the cop's personal thirst for the exercise of untrammeled authority.
Well, I learned a new word today!

So what's your suggestion for the cop? How does he subdue someone who's resisting arrest without any kind of force? Or does he just let her go cause she's old?
 
omg rite said:
Right, because that's exactly what he said.

Please, stop with the above it all attitude. Already lost all respect for someone who tries to pretend that all, even most, cops are "scum". Disgusting.
What do you expect from someone that wants to start violent riots when he doesnt get his way..waaa waaaaa
 
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