Corporations trying to abolish paid sick leaves

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WanderingWind said:
I don't really see how, frankly. If anything, they're allowing more time for sickness than what nearly every other industry offers currently. 30 days a year is probably the second best benefit the military offers.
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Isn't it just leave in general, whether it's used for vacation, sick, or whatever? 30 days paid leave altogether isn't that much, especially when you lose days taken on holidays and weekends, which is my understanding of how it works. Take off the friday before labor day, come back the day after labor day, and that's four days gone. The restrictions and lack of flexibility would be a problem for many civilians.
 
empty vessel said:
Hmmm.

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Yes, there is a rise in those charts in the last decade. Besides I never said it was widespread, just that it was easy to game.

Speedymanic said:
Not sure I understand how you can abuse maternity leave. Pay decreases significantly after the first six weeks, where does the abuse come into it? They get time off with what is guaranteed to be a significant pay cut?

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Perhaps you can explain where the abuse factors in?
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It's not that alone, but with other associated benefits is how it was explained to me. Combo deal if you will. I should have explained that a little more clearly.
 
The Albatross said:
While the person I immediately report to is great, the person who he reports do (and so, in effect, who I sort of report to) is so annoying about sick time. Like, she'll never with hold you from using your time, but every time you're sick or use your sick time, she ALWAYS asks you what was wrong when you're next into work... every time. And it's like, if it doesn't pass her smell test she gives you some disapproving look or attitude. It pisses me off more than anything. Next time I may just tell her, "It's none of your business." I took a sick day last month because I was sick, but coincidentilly, I was up all night with a new puppy and got zero sleep, and so I e-mailed in... my first sick day in like 2 years, and the next day she asked me, "Oh what was wrong?" and I made the grave mistake of telling her the truth, "Oh, I was up all night with a sick puppy..." and she was like, "Well, I don't think that you can miss work for a sick puppy..." I should have told her, "Oh, the cold got the best of me."

I know that as a young, single male I have it pretty good. BUt it bothers me to no end when people call in and come in late and use sick time to shuffle their kids around, but if I said like, "Oh, I'm calling in sick because schools are cancelled today," like everybody else does, it wouldn't fly.
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Why is your skip-level manager coming after you about labor charging matters? The only person you should have to report to for routine labor charging issues is your direct manager. If she has any questions, they shoul dbe going through him.

You should bring this up to her manager
 
The Albatross said:
While the person I immediately report to is great, the person who he reports do (and so, in effect, who I sort of report to) is so annoying about sick time. Like, she'll never with hold you from using your time, but every time you're sick or use your sick time, she ALWAYS asks you what was wrong when you're next into work... every time. And it's like, if it doesn't pass her smell test she gives you some disapproving look or attitude. It pisses me off more than anything. Next time I may just tell her, "It's none of your business." I took a sick day last month because I was sick, but coincidentilly, I was up all night with a new puppy and got zero sleep, and so I e-mailed in... my first sick day in like 2 years, and the next day she asked me, "Oh what was wrong?" and I made the grave mistake of telling her the truth, "Oh, I was up all night with a sick puppy..." and she was like, "Well, I don't think that you can miss work for a sick puppy..." I should have told her, "Oh, the cold got the best of me."

I know that as a young, single male I have it pretty good. BUt it bothers me to no end when people call in and come in late and use sick time to shuffle their kids around, but if I said like, "Oh, I'm calling in sick because schools are cancelled today," like everybody else does, it wouldn't fly.
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What the fuck kind of attitude is that? "Lady, if you don't want me taking sick days then don't give me sick days. Until then what I do is my own business." She's hungry for da' powa' is all, I absolutely hate people like that.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
It's not that alone, but with other associated benefits is how it was explained to me. Combo deal if you will. I should have explained that a little more clearly.
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Hmm, I guess that makes a little more sense. Still, there doesn't seem to be much room for abuse.

It just doesn't seem possible to me, but maybe that's because I'm on the outside looking in, it's probably more apparent where the potential abuse is when you've actually been through the system and seen how it works.
 
acheron_xl said:
People who take sick days off when they aren't sick, or just have a cold really annoy me. I go to work unless I am physically unable to.
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Fuck that.

I'd rather work harder a hand down for a day or two then catch whatever bullshit cold/flu you have.

Only time I've used a sick day for a non illness was when my entire work was sick and I was the last to not catch it. People stopped being cautious about washing their hands and shit so I just bailed for a few days to avoid catch their shit.
 
Speedymanic said:
Hmm, I guess that makes a little more sense. Still, there doesn't seem to be much room for abuse.

It just doesn't seem possible to me, but maybe that's because I'm on the outside looking in, it's probably more apparent where the potential abuse is when you've actually been through the system and seen how it works.
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It's pretty much that to a large extent.
 
BobsRevenge said:
I have almost 350 hours saved up I could cash out. It's obscene. It's worth about 4 paychecks.

I don't particularly like my job, but the benefits are awesome.
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This is about where I'm at.

However we can't take any of it if we quit

The managers always complain that some sick time should be paid because when someone puts in their notice, a good week of it is used to call in sick. We can also tell when someone is about to quit.
 
jchap said:
Where I work, you actually get paid MORE when you take sick leave. It's supposed to incentivize people not infecting all their coworkers. Still, I haven't used any in the last 3 years.
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We get pretty much booted out of the office if we're sick at my (English) workplace. Same pay as normal though.

You'll be surprised how little people abuse sick leave when they love their jobs.
 
Dude Abides said:
Isn't it just leave in general, whether it's used for vacation, sick, or whatever? 30 days paid leave altogether isn't that much, especially when you lose days taken on holidays and weekends, which is my understanding of how it works. Take off the friday before labor day, come back the day after labor day, and that's four days gone. The restrictions and lack of flexibility would be a problem for many civilians.
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It does work sorta like that, but I can't really find another industry that offers that much paid vacation time. I've only been military for five years now though, maybe companies have increased that benefit in lieu of raises due to economic downturn?

30 days paid vacation a year...that can be taken at any time, for any reason. I'm guessing most would love to have that much paid time off a year.

Oh, and holidays work different in the military dependent on unit, base, etc. But generally speaking, those are "free" days off called 72, 96, etc. Of course correlating to how many hours you get off for the holiday. Army even has something called Exodus and basket leave. But that stuff is sorta getting away from the point.
 
WanderingWind said:
It does work sorta like that, but I can't really find another industry that offers that much paid vacation time. I've only been military for five years now though, maybe companies have increased that benefit in lieu of raises due to economic downturn?

30 days paid vacation a year...that can be taken at any time, for any reason. I'm guessing most would love to have that much paid time off a year.
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Do you get separate days for holidays?
 
aronnov reborn said:
so corporations are doing this or are a couple bad companies doing this?
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Not sure as sick time is more beneficial than vacation time which is why it's odd that a large corporation would be against it. Plus job competition almost mandates it to be there in some form.

I imagine Yum!'s big issue may be in the number of mandatory days since their stores may not have a lot of people working at any one time, but they are a company with several thousand employees overall and with high turnover no less.
Sir Fragula said:
You'll be surprised how little people abuse sick leave when they love their jobs.
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This has to be true for a lot of things. I can't understand how anyone would wrok for a small business that is allowed to offer no benefits and pays minimum wage unless they are family or they love working there.
 
a mod should probably put up a sticky letting people know that manos has recently bought a gun.

better safe than sorry.
 
WanderingWind said:
It does work sorta like that, but I can't really find another industry that offers that much paid vacation time. I've only been military for five years now though, maybe companies have increased that benefit in lieu of raises due to economic downturn?

30 days paid vacation a year...that can be taken at any time, for any reason. I'm guessing most would love to have that much paid time off a year.

Oh, and holidays work different in the military dependent on unit, base, etc. But generally speaking, those are "free" days off called 72, 96, etc. Of course correlating to how many hours you get off for the holiday. Army even has something called Exodus and basket leave. But that stuff is sorta getting away from the point.
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I don't know what the standard is generally. For professionals in my field, it's four weeks paid vacation, plus a week or two paid sick, and a couple "personal days." As for "any time, any reason" my brother-in-law's brother wanted to take time to go to my brother-in-law's wedding (he was going to be the best man) but then they changed his tour schedule and wouldn't let him do it.

I agree with you that the benefit on its face is fairly generous, at least compared to entry-level type jobs, but civilians, at least professionals, would chafe at the accompanying restrictions.
 
JGS said:
I can't understand how anyone would wrok for a small business that is allowed to offer no benefits and pays minimum wage unless they are family or they love working there.
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I don't get paid minimum but it is a small business. It really just boils down to mutual respect between me and my boss. When work is slow I go out of my way to get other shit done. If work is super busy and not everything gets done he knows it wasn't because I was lazy, or if I am sick/want a day off for plans in advance he doesn't mind.

A good example was Columbus day. My shift was supposed to be 3-10. Between 4-5 not a single customer came. So I called him and said hey not sure what you want because this place is dead. Had me close so he didn't lose money on me/power (we use a shit ton) etc. Sure I could have been an asshole and gotten paid for the whole shift and taken a nap but I like the guy. Also helps that despite only paying me the hours I worked paycheck wise, he also paid me in cash for half of the hours I closed early since he appreciated I didn't just take advantage of him and saved him a few bucks. Win for both of us.
 
I'm getting 3.5 days paid leave for every month i work, 42 days in total for the year if my calculations are correct.

Life is just to awesome.

Most of it will go to concerts/travelling.

Americans got it rough!
 
At my current job, I have unlimited sick time and pay nothing for my (very good) health insurance coverage. I also get 3 weeks vacation and 3 or 4 personal days.
 
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
How often do you guys get sick that this matters?
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No one knows. That's why it's a good safety net. My wife was very sick with my first kid and was in the hosptial for 2 weeks. Her company paid her sick time for that and then started the maternity stuff.

Planning on being sick is a different story. There are several times that people conveniently got sick on a Friday or Monday - the busiest days in my banking world but also tied closely to weekend enjoyment.
 
Naked Snake said:
Poor Yum! Brands, only making $589 million in operating profits in 2010.
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Meh, As a whole yes, mostly because they have so many of each location. Each individual one doesn't make a mint and it's because they run them so thin. They won't staff more to cover the issue, that's for sure :(
 
Dude Abides said:
I don't know what the standard is generally. For professionals in my field, it's four weeks paid vacation, plus a week or two paid sick, and a couple "personal days." As for "any time, any reason" my brother-in-law's brother wanted to take time to go to my brother-in-law's wedding (he was going to be the best man) but then they changed his tour schedule and wouldn't let him do it.

I agree with you that the benefit on its face is fairly generous, at least compared to entry-level type jobs, but civilians, at least professionals, would chafe at the accompanying restrictions.
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Well, we also get personal days, but I didn't think that was fair to add to the conversation. The only regulation that would apply to civilians with the leave system is that you'd still have to request it. In cases of sickness, dependent on your command they can subtact that from your leave (or as is usual) it's just brushed under the rug.

In any event, I would like to see how many days most people get off a year. I'm fairly confident you and I are in the minority with 4 weeks paid a year.

Edit: And I was in the civilian work force up to age 26.
 
JGS said:
No one knows. That's why it's a good safety net. My wife was very sick with my first kid and was in the hosptial for 2 weeks. Her company paid her sick time for that and then started the maternity stuff.

Planning on being sick is a different story. There are several times that people conveniently got sick on a Friday or Monday - the busiest days in my banking world but also tied closely to weekend enjoyment.
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I've accumulated so much sick leave that I have a large safety net. I've only missed 3-4 days in 10 years.
If I ever get really sick it will come in handy.

Yeah, You wouldn't believe the amount of Firidayitis at my work.
 
Funny how there's still people believing companies will be nicer for their employees without government influence. Cause democracy definitely works for CEOs and shareholders, their decision making proves that every day..
 
WanderingWind said:
Well, we also get personal days, but I didn't think that was fair to add to the conversation. The only regulation that would apply to civilians with the leave system is that you'd still have to request it. In cases of sickness, dependent on your command they can subtact that from your leave (or as is usual) it's just brushed under the rug.

In any event, I would like to see how many days most people get off a year. I'm fairly confident you and I are in the minority with 4 weeks paid a year.
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I'm a software developer. My time off works like this: 8 paid holidays (the 8 combines Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve half days to one full day), 2 paid weeks vacation, 2 personal days, and one week sick. I'm coming close to five years of employment here, at which point I get another week and another personal day.
 
Angry Grimace said:
I don't get it. Paid sick leave isn't a legal issue, it's on a company by company basis.
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If you honestly believe that then you're a scary person.

Maximum amount of sick leave, sure. But there have to be legal minimums. The US already has a ridiculously low one (along with ridiculously low minimum holiday hours and really lax max-hours-per-week regulations along with that) so corporations campaigning to make it even lower is crazy.
 
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
I've accumulated so much sick leave that I have a large safety net. I've only missed 3-4 days in 10 years.
If I ever get really sick it will come in handy.

Yeah, You wouldn't believe the amount of Firidayitis at my work.
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:facepalm:

Not everyone has amazing immune systems.
 
Are they talking about sick leave for full time employees?

The way it works in Australia is that you don't get sick leave if you're a casual employee. Which makes sense. And the vast majority of fast food workers would be casual employees.
 
WanderingWind said:
In any event, I would like to see how many days most people get off a year. I'm fairly confident you and I are in the minority with 4 weeks paid a year.
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I think my last company (publicly traded) was 4 weeks/year. Technically I get 7 weeks with my current job (school district), but I don't have any control over 4 of those weeks...
 
legend166 said:
Are they talking about sick leave for full time employees?

The way it works in Australia is that you don't get sick leave if you're a casual employee. Which makes sense. And the vast majority of fast food workers would be casual employees.
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This is the ordinance:
http://city.milwaukee.gov/ImageLibrary/User/jkamme/PaidSickLeaveOrdinance.pdf

It doesn't seem to specify full vs part--they're just looking for 1 hour per every 30 worked. If you're a part-time worker, it would take a long time to build up anything meaningful.

(what's with the spelling of employee in there?)
 
Paid sick days? Are you for real? We get written up at my work if you take a day off for being sick and on top of that the missed hours come out of your paid time off.
 
Enron said:
I think this is mainly for the fast food industry as mentioned in the article - because just about every other firm in america encourages you to take the day off if you are sick so you don't infect everyone else and wreak havoc on productivity.
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I don't want someone who is sick handling anything I'm going to be eating. God damn.
 
FStop7 said:
I don't want someone who is sick handling anything I'm going to be eating. God damn.
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God damn! That's not the point!

The point is so they don't have to PAY their employees when they are sick. Not to force people to work when they can't/shouldn't.

They will still tell them to stay home, id assume, if they aren't feeling well.
 
Enron said:
God damn! That's not the point!

The point is so they don't have to PAY their employees when they are sick. Not to force people to work when they can't/shouldn't.

They will still tell them to stay home, id assume, if they aren't feeling well.
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Why would anyone go home if they weren't getting paid? At least for anything that isn't debilitating?
 
acheron_xl said:
People who take sick days off when they aren't sick, or just have a cold really annoy me. I go to work unless I am physically unable to.
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They usually cost the business more if they come in despite being sick. When you're sick, you're distracted and get less done. Further, you may be contagious and infect other people.
 
Kitschkraft said:
I tend to get one "significant cold" a year, always been that way.
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I'm the same, and then there's regular doctor and dentist appointments to go to. I certainly use up my 5 days of sick leave every year.
 
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