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[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

People who take sick days off when they aren't sick, or just have a cold really annoy me. I go to work unless I am physically unable to.

Yeah, a bunch of people I know in the UK say the system is really easy to game. One was saying it's part of the reason some people just keep having kids since you pretty much get a year off for each one.

 

[NIN90]

lol america

 

[Zoe]

Nothing new.
My wife's company COMBINES vacation and sick time. So if you get sick, less vacation. If you take a long vacation, you better not get sick.

I prefer it that way. I never got sick at my previous company.

 

[Luigiv]

Because taking sick leave when you aren't sick would be unethical? Also I enjoy my job.

As an Australian, I simply can not understand this way of thinking.

 

[Zenith]

One was saying it's part of the reason some people just keep having kids since you pretty much get a year off for each one.

not sure if joking

 

[JGS]

I prefer it that way. I never got sick at my previous company.

Way better to allow sick time conversions. Although it's not at a 1:1 ration, it's still like extra vacation days for doing nothing.

My last company was combined but the total was 3 weeks. Now I have 3 weeks vacation (After a couple of years there) and 10 days sick time. So there's no need to be worried about vacation planning and the 10 days covers the whole family.

 

[demon]

Nothing new.
My wife's company COMBINES vacation and sick time. So if you get sick, less vacation. If you take a long vacation, you better not get sick.

This is how it is at my company. You get three weeks off per year, and an extra day or so every 3-5 years or something like that.

 

[WanderingWind]

I think the military system is perfect, frankly. 2.5 days off a month, accrued. It allows for plenty of time off, freedom to take it when necessary and has to be used if you're sick. Technically.

If it can work with people who have to maintain billion dollar weapon systems and who work 60+ hours a week, it can work for corporate America as well.

 

[Jenga]

Hey, guys--you know what will fix this? Deregulation, am I right?

Signed,

The GOP

and libertarians

 

[travisbickle]

not sure if joking

I think he's gone into "right-wing hardcore mode" because the proletariat are misbehaving.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

I think he's gone into "right-wing hardcore mode" because the proletariat are misbehaving.

No, I'm not, she said it. Abusing maternity leave is rather easy to do in England.

Travis you need to calm down and take a deep breath.

Come on breath in and breath out.

 

[ascii42]

I prefer it that way. I never got sick at my previous company.

Yeah, I think I have 50-ish hours of vacation time, but 140 hours of sick leave, and I haven't been here two years.

 

[Zenith]

No, I'm not, she said it. Abusing maternity leave is rather easy to do in England.

As a UK resident I can say it is rare. Now what? You going to accept my anecdotal evidence verbatim like hers?

 

[Zoe]

Way better to allow sick time conversions. Although it's not at a 1:1 ration, it's still like extra vacation days for doing nothing.

My last company was combined but the total was 3 weeks. Now I have 3 weeks vacation (After a couple of years there) and 10 days sick time. So there's no need to be worried about vacation planning and the 10 days covers the whole family.

My previous company gave 1:1, so it really made no difference when they converted to PTO.

Now I have 5 sick, 5 "personal" (but more like sick), and 10 vacation that I was forced to take in July even though I didn't start working until August :\ At least next fiscal year we'll be able to take 5 of those vacation days whenever we want...

 

[WEGGLES]

People who take sick days off when they aren't sick, or just have a cold really annoy me. I go to work unless I am physically unable to.

People with this attitude really annoy me. If you are sick and contagious stay the fuck home.

 

[travisbickle]

No, I'm not, she said it. Abusing maternity leave is rather easy to do in England.

Travis you need to calm down and take a deep breath.

Come on breath in and breath out.

Your recent posts and topic choices have been like the ramblings of Charlton Heston.

 

[JoshDigi]

If this thread pisses you off please boycout KFC, Taco Bell and other Yum Brands companies. Their food sucks and is terrible for you anyways, so vote with your wallet. Support a locally owned, independent restaurant instead.

 

[acheron_xl]

People with this attitude really annoy me. If you are sick and contagious stay the fuck home.

I don't have the luxury of staying home if I have a cold. Nobody else at the small company I work for is trained (or available) to do my job.

 

[LosDaddie]

There is a reason why fast food joints mainly employ part-timers. If everyone was full-time w/benefits, then their prices would have to go up. Profit margins are slim in that industry. Even for regular, sit-down restaurants. In fact, most of their money/profit is made on liquor sales.

 

[Dude Abides]

I think the military system is perfect, frankly. 2.5 days off a month, accrued. It allows for plenty of time off, freedom to take it when necessary and has to be used if you're sick. Technically.

If it can work with people who have to maintain billion dollar weapon systems and who work 60+ hours a week, it can work for corporate America as well.

A system that works for a workforce that tends to be very young, healthy, and relatively obligation-free would be a poor fit for the general population.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Your recent posts and topic choices have been like the ramblings of Charlton Heston.

Thank you!

 

[empty vessel]

Yeah, a bunch of people I know in the UK say the system is really easy to game. One was saying it's part of the reason some people just keep having kids since you pretty much get a year off for each one.

Hmmm.

 

[WanderingWind]

A system that works for a workforce that tends to be very young, healthy, and relatively obligation-free would be a poor fit for the general population.

I don't really see how, frankly. If anything, they're allowing more time for sickness than what nearly every other industry offers currently. 30 days a year is probably the second best benefit the military offers.

 

[The Albatross]

Hahaha, this title is so stupid. Y'know, because YUM! Brands represents the entirety of world corporations.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

I think this is mainly for the fast food industry as mentioned in the article - because just about every other firm in america encourages you to take the day off if you are sick so you don't infect everyone else and wreak havoc on productivity.

...lol what??? i didnt even know fast food joints had paid sick leave.

 

[VariantX]

...lol what??? i didnt even know fast food joints had paid sick leave.

With news like this, it really feels like we're slowly reverting back to the way things were at the beginning of the 20th century.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I don't get it. Paid sick leave isn't a legal issue, it's on a company by company basis.

 

[Stinkles]

I'm covering my eyes guys. Has any gaf-er come in and carried water for profit-driven companies trying to remove basic quality of life from workers, and defended it as a good thing that is good for the country?

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

First paid breaks, now paid sick leaves? What the shit?

 

[Orayn]

I'm covering my eyes guys. Has any gaf-er come in and carried water for profit-driven companies trying to remove basic quality of life from workers, and defended it as a good thing that is good for the country?

What do you consider people criticizing those who use sick days when they aren't sick? That's the worst I've seen so far.

 

[Maleficence]

Fuck corporations!! I hate those guys!

 

[Orayn]

Fuck corporations!! I hate those guys!

What about the Valve Corporation? They're pretty cool.

 

[Azih]

What about the Valve Corporation? They're pretty cool.

Not being a public company with shareholders actually seems to have a correlation to how douchey a corp isn't.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/262497/valve-refuses-to-sell-out-on-stock-market/

http://www.thecorporation.com/

 

[Angry Fork]

People who take sick days off when they aren't sick, or just have a cold really annoy me. I go to work unless I am physically unable to.

Take solace in the sickness that you've probably spread to co-workers because of your odd sense of morale. Not going to work because of a headache or something is definitely wrong but if you have a bad cold (and I guess it can be debated what's bad or not) it's almost unanimously agreed upon to stay home.

I don't have the luxury of staying home if I have a cold. Nobody else at the small company I work for is trained (or available) to do my job.

This is your bosses problem not yours, unless you are the boss or something.

Now if you have to go to work because your boss pressures you to (since nobody else is trained to do your job) that's different, but if you choose to go to work (and you also don't absolutely need the money, you can choose) then you're unnecessarily spreading your germs to other people and it's not fair to them.

 

[Dorrin]

I have PTO which is used for both, we get X amount of hours per month and can hold a certain total based on years of service.For me its been okay not having designated sick days as I rarely and I mean rarely take a sick day, basically I'd have to be throwing up or running a high fever. I will admit though it does make it harder to take a day because your first thought is "I'm ruining my vacation time.". On the other hand I had salaried coworkers here who absolutely fucked paid sick time to death before they made the change, one older lady was constantly having 'stomach problems' which always seemed to coincide with a previous night out at the casino.

I always chuckle at the crew of the bombcast being off all the time for their various sicknesses. As a parent of 3 school age children I've constantly got some kind of sickness of one type or another. Bunch of babies.

 

[RDreamer]

I just got out of a place that was pretty terrible for sick days, and my wife still works there. You get I think 4 per year, but they suck so much at staffing the place that if you try and use one you usually get guilt tripped up and down. You practically have to be dying for it to matter. This is at a grocery store, too. We've had chefs sneezing and sniffling and stuff all day. Their motto for a while was basically if you're not throwing up, you should be at work. And a lot of times even if you were, if you could make it to the bathroom that's a ok.

And what this whole thing did was breed a sort of anger amongst coworkers whenever anyone took a sick day. You get the whole department saying things like "Well I was feeling like crap the other day and I didn't come in." "They're probably not sick." "I bet they're hungover." And there was always a ton of anger about having to do more work because someone was sick. Absolutely no one was ever like "Well I hope they feel better."

 

[BobsRevenge]

I have PTO which is used for both, we get X amount of hours per month and can hold a certain total based on years of service.For me its been okay not having designated sick days as I rarely and I mean rarely take a sick day, basically I'd have to be throwing up or running a high fever. I will admit though it does make it harder to take a day because your first thought is "I'm ruining my vacation time.". On the other hand I had salaried coworkers here who absolutely fucked paid sick time to death before they made the change, one older lady was constantly having 'stomach problems' which always seemed to coincide with a previous night out at the casino.

I always chuckle at the crew of the bombcast being off all the time for their various sicknesses. As a parent of 3 school age children I've constantly got some kind of sickness of one type or another. Bunch of babies.

At my company I can actually cash out my PTO, so every time I take vacation or sick leave I feel like I'm throwing money away. :lol

Not at all the desired effect, I'm sure, but still. I have tons of hours built up right now.

 

[Zoe]

At my company I can actually cash out my PTO, so every time I take vacation or sick leave I feel like I'm throwing money away. :lol

Not at all the desired effect, I'm sure, but still. I have tons of hours built up right now.

I could only cash out 40 hours from my last company. Feel like a fool still having over 80 hours remaining after that

 

[CajoleJuice]

Trying to? My last one already did. It was called PTO, included sick and vacation all rolled into one slot which is the same amount of time just vacation used to be.

Yeah, my first job out of college had this, too. I was able to cash it out, luckily.

 

[Maleficence]

What about the Valve Corporation? They're pretty cool.

lol it was more a joke upon the idea of corporations being people. But I agree that not all corporations are douchey, just a lot.

 

[demon]

I can cash out my PTO hours (which includes vacation and sick days) if I leave the company, and right now I have 125. That's a hair over three weeks. We accrue 6 hours every two weeks. At its highest it was around 160-something. I sometimes salivate at how much I could get if I left, but I don't plan to.

 

[BobsRevenge]

I could only cash out 40 hours from my last company. Feel like a fool still having over 80 hours remaining after that

I have almost 350 hours saved up I could cash out. It's obscene. It's worth about 4 paychecks.

I don't particularly like my job, but the benefits are awesome.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

My company uses PTO and is actually pretty cool about its use. <5 years with the company you get 120 hr/yr and it goes up after that, but the really cool thing is that, if needed, you can go negative. Get sick right before your big vacation? No sweat, you'll be negative for a while but who cares, just don't use any more PTO until you're positive again.

If you get laid off while negative you'll have to pay it back, but I don't think anyone's ever been caught in that situation.

 

[Mr. B Natural]

I prefer it that way. I never got sick at my previous company.

That and it's better because you can take X amount of days off without having to explain yourself like you're a 6 year old asking your teacher if you may go to the bathroom. Let me manage my days off, thanks, no questions needed.

 

[Zoe]

That and it's better because you can take X amount of days off without having to explain yourself like you're a 6 year old asking your teacher if may go to the bathroom. Let me manage my days off, thanks, no questions needed.

Well, most companies still ask for some sort of justification if it's unplanned, and if it's multiple, consecutive unplanned days then you'd need a doctor's note.

 

[The Albatross]

That and it's better because you can take X amount of days off without having to explain yourself like you're a 6 year old asking your teacher if you may go to the bathroom. Let me manage my days off, thanks, no questions needed.

While the person I immediately report to is great, the person who he reports do (and so, in effect, who I sort of report to) is so annoying about sick time. Like, she'll never with hold you from using your time, but every time you're sick or use your sick time, she ALWAYS asks you what was wrong when you're next into work... every time. And it's like, if it doesn't pass her smell test she gives you some disapproving look or attitude. It pisses me off more than anything. Next time I may just tell her, "It's none of your business." I took a sick day last month because I was sick, but coincidentilly, I was up all night with a new puppy and got zero sleep, and so I e-mailed in... my first sick day in like 2 years, and the next day she asked me, "Oh what was wrong?" and I made the grave mistake of telling her the truth, "Oh, I was up all night with a sick puppy..." and she was like, "Well, I don't think that you can miss work for a sick puppy..." I should have told her, "Oh, the cold got the best of me."

I know that as a young, single male I have it pretty good. BUt it bothers me to no end when people call in and come in late and use sick time to shuffle their kids around, but if I said like, "Oh, I'm calling in sick because schools are cancelled today," like everybody else does, it wouldn't fly.

 

[Speedymanic]

No, I'm not, she said it. Abusing maternity leave is rather easy to do in England.

Travis you need to calm down and take a deep breath.

Come on breath in and breath out.

Not sure I understand how you can abuse maternity leave. Pay decreases significantly after the first six weeks, where does the abuse come into it? They get time off with what is guaranteed to be a significant pay cut?

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTa...ort/Expectingorbringingupchildren/DG_10018741
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTa...pport/Expectingorbringingupchildren/DG_175917

Perhaps you can explain where the abuse factors in?

 

[Tenks]

Its not really that uncommon. My girlfriend doesn't be paid sick leave. In fact many of my coworkers who come from other companies said getting paid sick was one of the reasons they came here. I have like 500 hours of paid sick leave :/

 

[Baron Doggystyle von Woof]

Leave it to the market guys.

 

[GaimeGuy]

You enjoy your job more than spending a day at the movies with a loved one, perhaps a good kickass meal, or some white water rafting ?

I sure as hell enjoy my job but god dam if i ain't gonna jump to the chance to spend a day doing some crazy shit on a paid sick day.

that's what vacation/floating holidays are for. It's kind of unethical to take SICK DAYS when you're not sick.

My work has sick pay, and doesn't set a limit on it, but you are encouraged to try to make up your sick time elsewhere in the same week, if you can. They also offer holidays (your standard new years/ thanksgiving/labor day/ memorial day package, and I think I'm forgetting one), vacation time (delivered on a montly basis, and it carries over if unused. The hours can accumulate up to a total balance of 450 I believe. The number of hours you get each month increases the longer you're employed), and a fixed amount of "floating holiday" hours per year (do not carry over). That's how it should be at the bare minimum, and it's still less generous than the standards offered in much of europe.