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Could UFC champion Ronda Rousey be competitive against male fighters?

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cdyhybrid

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How would Floyd stop a double leg. Explain the technical analysis of how he would do it.

Your comparison is flawed from the start. Your D-1 wrestler comparison would trash Rousey too. All things being equal, yes, an MMA fighter would beat a boxer. But in this scenario, all things are not equal. Floyd is significantly faster and probably stronger than Rousey is, and that's not even considering the fact that he's one of the most talented strikers to ever live.

Why didn't people just take down Anderson Silva every fight if it's so easy? They surely wouldn't want to be striking with him.
 

Guru-Guru

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The great thing about this thread is that Ronda Rousey will never fight Floyd Mayweather, yet alone a male MMA fighter at 135. So instead we get to have a pointless discussion in which neither side will convince the other about who would win. We might as well take this to another level of stupid and ask ourselves "Bruce Lee vs Ronda Rousey: who would win?"
 
He would punch her in the face as soon as she shot in for it. He's a lot faster and has much quicker reflexes.

If you shoot a correct takedown as you would vs a boxer you aren't in range to be hit anyways.

Your head would be down, shoulders tucked, and hitting his hips. He would be far too squared up to you to prevent it, not to mention he's never trained defending a takedown in his life.

Anyone possessing credible wrestling could fuck his entire world up. I mean hell, if you want to have a lot fun / troll him just do an ankle pick like Randy did to James Tony.
 
College Wrestlers were in the OP?

Also you seem to think Mayweather wouldn't train at least a little on how to MMA fight if he agreed to it. That's a logical fallacy to assume he would just say "fuck it, I'll just stick to boxing in a MMA fight."

So he's going to learn how to stop an Olympic Judoka from throwing him on his ass by starting a training camp at the age of 38 without ever having a ground game in his life.

Money Mayweather sure as hell knows how to promote himself man.
 

BennyBlanco

aka IMurRIVAL69
People act like boxers don't know how to create distance or deal with clinches, and that Ronda Rousey is just gonna eat jabs from floyd in MMA gloves and be ok to shoot a double leg.
 
I don't know which ones to start with but...

Ye Shiwen has broken many men's old records in swimming.
And Zhou Lulu has lifted 333 kg, which is more than many men's old records.

What the hell does beating old mens records have to do with competing against actual modern, still competing men?

Women are capable of great things in sports, just like anything else, but the need to compare their accomplishments and abilities with men is ridiculous and belittles their achievements.
 

slade

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I'd like to see her take on Miesha Tate's boyfriend. I read there was a mini feud there and Rousey even said she could beat him.
 
Are there any MMA vs. Boxer fights? Sure would like to see that

There's been one. ...You don't want to see it. It's boring.

I'd also like to point out that we are essentially arguing about men being superior in the awesome skill of getting punched in the face
 

DarkFlow

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So he's going to learn how to stop an Olympic Judoka from throwing him on his ass by starting a training camp at the age of 38 without ever having a ground game in his life.

Money Mayweather sure as hell knows how to promote himself man.

So does Ronda apparently since you've thrown logic out the window.
 

J Range

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Do you have any material regarding this? It's quite interesting. Is there documented differences between male and female strength, durability, and strength even if they are similar body wise, type, muscles, etc.?

Common knowledge.

Also, Ronda has already been recorded grappling against male competition of similar size to Floyd. Everybody was laughing at how she was trying so hard, and he wasn't, but she couldn't even come close to completing a take down.

This was with no strikes and the male letting her get ahold of him.
 
The great thing about this thread is that Ronda Rousey will never fight Floyd Mayweather, yet alone a male MMA fighter at 135. So instead we get to have a pointless discussion in which neither side will convince the other about who would win. We might as well take this to another level of stupid and ask ourselves "Bruce Lee vs Ronda Rousey: who would win?"

Would Bruce Lee have additional ghost powers?
 
Why are we talking about Floyd Maywetter? anyone can beat him up.

This is MMA dammit, it's real.

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Common knowledge.

Also, Ronda has already been recorded grappling against male competition of similar size to Floyd. Everybody was laughing at how she was trying so hard, and he wasn't, but she couldn't even come close to completing a take down.

This was with no strikes and the male letting her get ahold of him.

I don't accept "common knowledge". I asked for reading material regarding the subject. This isn't a dick waving contest, I'm legit curious as to how males and females differ on a biological level that would make them competitively different even though they have the same body.
 

cdyhybrid

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People act like boxers don't know how to create distance or deal with clinches, and that Ronda Rousey is just gonna eat jabs from floyd in MMA gloves and be ok to shoot a double leg.

This. Boxers don't just stand there and throw punches. You'd have to actually catch him to be able to try and take him down.
 
The keyword is OLD. Are any of them beating current records?
I don't know of any, but that doesn't mean they couldn't.

Women are also discouraged from sports. Women's sports gets less money. And women are discouraged from sports because of gender roles, and it being treated as less feminine.

We don't know what the limits of men or women are in sports.
But women have faced a lot of discouragement and oppression in sports. And have still broken many men's records. And have proven wrong, what many people think that women were capable of.

I think that what we should do, is continue supporting women's sports.
And not underestimating women's potential.
 

SmokeMaxX

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Do you have any material regarding this? It's quite interesting. Is there documented differences between male and female strength, durability, and strength even if they are similar body wise, type, muscles, etc.?
As much as I am all for female equality in all things, these are very true facts. Pound for pound women aren't equal to men. Testosterone is a large reason for that. The difference isn't unreachable like some people think, but it'd take a huge skill gap. Lucky for Rousey she's a fucking world champion in MMA and Mayweather is just a boxer.

There's a reason why people who are predominantly boxers fail in the MMA. If the ground game wasn't important, the best boxers could just go into an MMA match and dominate. But they can't because as soon as they get taken down they lose.
 
So does Ronda apparently since you've thrown logic out the window.

I really haven't. I've yet to hear a single technical analysis from any of you of how he would prevent the takedown besides,

"Jabs"

"Make space"

None of that would mean anything. I mean at all. If someone shot a double how they are supposed to against a boxer striking will never come into the equation. You would shoot from farther out, negating any sort of reach, and you would shoot very low / ankle pick so that he couldn't throw any sort of damaging strike. Thus the question comes down to how are Mayweathers hips and would he able to position his weight, hips, and legs to stuff the double leg.


Again, how would he do this?
 
I don't accept "common knowledge". I asked for reading material regarding the subject. This isn't a dick waving contest, I'm legit curious as to how males and females differ on a biological level that would make them competitively different even though they have the same body.

I'll be blunt. It's not our job to do your research for you. There are significant differences with male body vs female body. Testosterone is also a huge factor.

You could also take into account the various women's athletic records vs males and compare them, if you do desire.
 

cdyhybrid

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As much as I am all for female equality in all things, these are very true facts. Pound for pound women aren't equal to men. Testosterone is a large reason for that. The difference isn't unreachable like some people think, but it'd take a huge skill gap. Lucky for Rousey she's a fucking world champion in MMA and Mayweather is just a boxer.

There's a reason why people who are predominantly boxers fail in the MMA. If the ground game wasn't important, the best boxers could just go into an MMA match and dominate. But they can't because as soon as they get taken down they lose.

"just a boxer"

:lol
 
I'll be blunt. It's not our job to do your research for you. There are significant differences with male body vs female body. Testosterone is also a huge factor.

You could also take into account the various women's athletic records vs males and compare them, if you do desire.

I never said research for me. I asked for reading material on the subject since people here seem more knowledgeable about it. I'm not here to expose your lies, I legit want to know. If you don't have names of reading material or links then why even respond? I already said this wasn't a dick waving contest. I don't care if you're making it up, I just want to know how men and women differ so much if their bodies are the same. Saying testosterone doesn't sate my curiosity, I would like more detailed information hence why I asked for reading material.
 
It's a lose lose for the male involved by sports analyst if he wins they knew he would he should have never fought her . If he loses he lost to female . Media would eat it up .
 

DarkFlow

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I don't know of any, but that doesn't mean they couldn't.

Women are also discouraged from sports. Women's sports gets less money. And women are discouraged from sports because of gender roles, and it being treated as less feminine.

We don't know what the limits of men or women are in sports.
But women have faced a lot of discouragement and oppression in sports. And have still broken many men's records. And have proven wrong, what many people think that women were capable of.

I think that what we should do, is continue supporting women's sports.
And not underestimating women's potential.

Why are you just copying Fugu's posts from the WNBA thread we had a few weeks ago?

That's nice and easy to say but when it comes down to actually drawing out the proportions of sex and society, there are simply too many factors to control to make any kind of conclusive, scientific statement.

Furthermore, the idea that society has played no role (or even an insigificant role) in the massive gap in prominence between male and female athletes is absurd. The potential of a female athlete is stifled at all ages, which is only compounded by the fact that their opponents are, generally, similarly stifled female athletes. Chess provides a pretty decent case study for this, where a large gap continues to exist between male and female (although with an increasingly large list of exceptions).


"The highest level of funding" simply does not go to an all-female soccer team. Nobody watches women's soccer, so there's little funding at the top level and increasingly less at every other subsequent level. This, in conjunction with a society that, by and large, has only come around to the idea of female athletes outside of a select few areas relatively recently, means that women are exponentially less likely to experience the kind of pressurized environment that produces a top tier athlete.

There's this thing called Biology, you should look into it.
 
No way in hell she could beat Floyd. Sure he's done when he hits the floor...but he won't. Dude would finish you when you get into range.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

No offense, but he would last seconds. You cannot train to defend what Ronda can do in years, let alone months.

Didn't she get ragdolled by Mousasi? Dude was toying with her like she was his little niece.

Only a 60-70 lbs weight difference. No big deal.
 
I never said research for me. I asked for reading material on the subject since people here seem more knowledgeable about it. I'm not here to expose your lies, I legit want to know. If you don't have names of reading material or links then why even respond. I already said this wasn't a dick waving contest. I don't care if you're making it up, I just want to know how men and women differ so much if their bodies are the same. Saying testosterone doesn't sate my curiosity, I would like information.

For someone who just legitimately wants reading material, you are not coming off that way at all. This is clearly a demand, not a request. Again, it's not our job to provide it. If you're curious, you are more than welcome to find the material you seek on your own. You are literally starting from square one if you think that male and females are equal physically. They are not.
 

Parch

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Didn't Dana say he's not even going to consider any of these boxers vs UFC matches anymore? It's just a complete waste of time.

It doesn't matter how quick or elusive you think the boxer is, without proper training and extensive experience in takedown and submission defense the boxer has zero chance of winning a UFC fight.
 

SmokeMaxX

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What the hell does beating old mens records have to do with competing against actual modern, still competing men?

Women are capable of great things in sports, just like anything else, but the need to compare their accomplishments and abilities with men is ridiculous and belittles their achievements.
People belittling their achievements because they're "just women" belittles their achievements. You basically have people saying that a woman could never beat a man in any physical contest whatsoever. Yes that's slightly hyperbole but only slightly with the arguments that some people here are making.
"just a boxer"

:lol
Well what else is he? A god? He's a damn good boxer but even Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali were just boxers. I mean I don't know what title you want me to give him. Okay what other fighting styles does he know?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8EqDEtb6Bg

Oh snap my bad. I didn't know.
 

J Range

Member
I don't accept "common knowledge". I asked for reading material regarding the subject. This isn't a dick waving contest, I'm legit curious as to how males and females differ on a biological level that would make them competitively different even though they have the same body.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8477683

This states women are giving up 40-50% strength advantage in the upper body and Akari says why.

The way female bodies are different is because of evolution. Their bodies are proportioned different. Men in general dont have hips allowing them to turn over and torque their punches much harder than a women possibly can. It's nothing against women, blame evolution.
 
Why are you just copying Fugu's posts from the WNBA thread we had a few weeks ago?
I didn't know about Fugu's post.. but I agree with it. And I'm happy that other people agree with me about this. I think Fugu's post is great.
I respect Fugu a lot, for saying that.
 

cdyhybrid

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You have no idea what you are talking about.

No offense, but he would last seconds. You cannot train to defend what Ronda can do in years, let alone months.

Who knew you could train to get inside a pantheon-level boxer's reach in a few months?

Better retire now Floyd, here I come!

People belittling their achievements because they're "just women" belittles their achievements. You basically have people saying that a woman could never beat a man in any physical contest whatsoever. Yes that's slightly hyperbole but only slightly with the arguments that some people here are making.

Well what else is he? A god? He's a damn good boxer but even Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali were just boxers. I mean I don't know what title you want me to give him. Okay what other fighting styles does he know?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8EqDEtb6Bg

Oh snap my bad. I didn't know.

The point is that he's not some can boxer who can't even beat most guys in his own sport. Oh, and he's fighting a woman.
 
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