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[VindicatorZ]

I'm a massive Floyd Mayweather fan. But in an MMA fight, a highly skilled fighter like Rousey would quickly move in for the takedown. I don't think Floyd would have any defense for her on the ground and she'd quickly get him in an arm bar or choke hold.

Also, Floyd is not considered a heavy puncher. He may land a shot or two, but I'm fairly certain Rousey could take a few shots., An MMA fight would not go well for Floyd, or any boxer. Of course in a boxing match, Floyd would school her ass all over the ring.

In a street fight, Rousey would beat alot of men. But in the UFC, I don't believe she could fight men. They are simply too strong, even when weighing less.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

For someone who just legitimately wants reading material, you are not coming off that way at all. This is clearly a demand, not a request. Again, it's not our job to provide it. If you're curious, you are more than welcome to find the material you seek on your own.

You don't have to provide it, but this is a forum where people do share information regarding politics, science, racism, feminism, sexuality, etc all the time.

I don't assume people are lying. I could, but I generally won't. If someone says something that intrigues me I will ask them for material so I can better understand it. You may find this to be a demand but that's you. I just assume people who talk about this with confidence can share more information about it so I can use it as a starting point.

 

[Caboose]

Wouldn't Floyd just....move out of the way and tag her? Or is boxing a stationary sport now.

 

[SmokeMaxX]

Wouldn't Floyd just....move out of the way and tag her? Or is boxing a stationary sport now.

I didn't realize MMA was so one dimensional. I guess that's why boxers dominate MMA matches.

 

[Kinyou]

Yeah, Rampage Jackson vs Jon Jones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTztgm-pxjY

Here ya go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEfsLhdc5R4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUx9OE7DZAo

Here's the corpse of Merciless Ray Mercer 1 shotting Tim Sylvia.

Oh wow, didn't think there'd be actually that many. Also actually seems to be somewhat even (okay, that 1 punch knockout aside) but overall it doesn't look like an MMA fighter instantly demolishes a boxer and vice versa.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Wouldn't Floyd just....move out of the way and tag her? Or is boxing a stationary sport now.

Pretty sure Floyd would just stand there and let her shoot in, despite the fact that he would see it coming and is significantly faster!

 

[Diprosalic]

I didn't realize MMA was so one dimensional. I guess that's why boxers dominate MMA matches.

they would, if they would only fight women.

 

[DarkFlow]

I didn't know about Fugu's post.. but I agree with it. And I'm happy that other people agree with me about this. I think Fugu's post is great.
I respect Fugu a lot, for saying that.

You posted in the thread...

 

[Huff]

I never said research for me. I asked for reading material on the subject since people here seem more knowledgeable about it. I'm not here to expose your lies, I legit want to know. If you don't have names of reading material or links then why even respond? I already said this wasn't a dick waving contest. I don't care if you're making it up, I just want to know how men and women differ so much if their bodies are the same. Saying testosterone doesn't sate my curiosity, I would like more detailed information hence why I asked for reading material.

Take a biology class

 

[RK9039]

Ronda Rousey could make Mayweather tap out while he's standing.

 

[SmokeMaxX]

Pretty sure Floyd would just stand there and let her shoot in, despite the fact that he would see it coming and is significantly faster!

Pretty sure she would just shoot in haphazardly even though that's an incredibly stupid idea. Even white belt judokas learn to always combo their movements into other movements. This would be similar to what fighting game players call an "option select."

 

[cdyhybrid]

I didn't realize MMA was so one dimensional. I guess that's why boxers dominate MMA matches.

Yeah, there's a proven track record of women MMA fighters beating the best boxer on the planet. Sure-fire thing.

 

[Skinpop]

Your comparison is flawed from the start. Your D-1 wrestler comparison would trash Rousey too. All things being equal, yes, an MMA fighter would beat a boxer. But in this scenario, all things are not equal. Floyd is significantly faster and probably stronger than Rousey is, and that's not even considering the fact that he's one of the most talented strikers to ever live.

Why didn't people just take down Anderson Silva every fight if it's so easy? They surely wouldn't want to be striking with him.

I have not been watching ufc for years but as far as I remember silva has excellent takedown defense and very good bjj. You're not going to tell me that floyd can roll with a black belt judoka/bjj practitioner?

Has floyd even ever been kicked in the leg? I'd put my money on Ronda without a doubt if we are talking a mma fight tonight. He is going to be exposed and won't have a defense for judo/takedowns/legkicks, so she has a tactical advantage which he can't overcome.
If he had a year to practice the scale would tip in his favor.

 

[Lashley]

Are you really discussing whether she could beat Mayweather? Of course she fucking couldn't.

She's a brilliant fighter but stop kidding yourselves.

 

[HolyBaikal]

You posted in the thread...

You're right, but I didn't read the whole thing. ^^;;

 

[Subpar Spatula]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8477683

This states women are giving up 40-50% strength advantage in the upper body and Akari says why.

The way female bodies are different is because of evolution. Their bodies are proportioned different. Men in general dont have hips allowing them to turn over and torque their punches much harder than a women possibly can. It's nothing against women, blame evolution.

That's fascinating. Do they know why the fibers are different but similar in the elbows and knees? I assume to lessen damage caused by weight?

 

[BronsonLee]

If it's Rousey vs Mayweather in MMA, she wins.
If it's Rousey vs Mayweather in boxing, he wins.

Why? Because the fish out of water will never win in that scenario.

 

[Skinpop]

If it's Rousey vs Mayweather in MMA, she wins.
If it's Rousey vs Mayweather in boxing, he wins.

Why? Because the fish out of water will never win in that scenario.

yes this, it's delusional to believe a boxer with no mma training could beat an experienced mma athlete.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I really haven't. I've yet to hear a single technical analysis from any of you of how he would prevent the takedown besides,

"Jabs"

"Make space"

None of that would mean anything. I mean at all. If someone shot a double how they are supposed to against a boxer striking will never come into the equation. You would shoot from farther out, negating any sort of reach, and you would shoot very low / ankle pick so that he couldn't throw any sort of damaging strike. Thus the question comes down to how are Mayweathers hips and would he able to position his weight, hips, and legs to stuff the double leg.


Again, how would he do this?

I can tell you're not familiar with floyd's career or watch much boxing in general if you don't think he's capable of running away and getting himself out of trouble. It's probably what he's been best at over his career and the thing he's been criticized the most for. He's EXTREMELY quick on his feet.

In this scenario that will never ever happen anyway, why is floyd just standing there watching her shoot from across the octagon like "ooo boy what do i do now?". He is insanely good at creating distance, and his hand speed and combos are off the charts.

So Rousey misses her double leg when floyd jumps out of the way, like he's more than capable of doing and has done over his long career, what now? She's getting back up and trying to correct herself for the next shot while floyd is working his angles and flurrying at her in MMA gloves with speed and power she's never dealt with.

Of course, she could land a home run double leg on him and tap him out, but I doubt she could catch him.

This isn't 42 year old James Toney, who was always a flat footed fighter who fought off the ropes and used shoulder rolls to stay out of trouble. He was hand picked by Dana because he knew he would get worked, but also had the balls to go through with it.

 

[beast786]

She can kick my ass

 

[cdyhybrid]

I have not been watching ufc for years but as far as I remember silva has excellent takedown defense and very good bjj. You're not going to tell me that floyd can roll with a black belt judoka/bjj practitioner?

Of course not, but in this scenario he's not facing a MALE black belt judoka/BJJ practitioner.

Has floyd even ever been kicked in the leg? I'd put my money on Ronda without a doubt if we are talking a mma fight tonight. He is going to be exposed and won't have a defense for judo/takedowns/legkicks, so she has a tactical advantage which he can't overcome.

Has Ronda landed a leg kick on the best boxer in the world? Has she landed one on even an average male fighter in an actual fight?

 

[Skinpop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO5bJ6J5bIY
ali vs a pro wrestler.

 

[Ol No Bones]

I think Ronda beats most bantamweight men.

 

[SmokeMaxX]

Yeah, there's a proven track record of women MMA fighters beating the best boxer on the planet. Sure-fire thing.

... and where's the proven track record of "best boxers on the planet" beating women MMA fighters?

Could Barry Bonds serve a tennis ball faster than Sabine Lisicki (has the number one fastest female serve in history)? They both hit balls. They're both top athletes. And he's a MALE (which apparently means his power is able to overcome her skill since this competition has physical aspects).

 

[Diprosalic]

I think Ronda beats most bantamweight men.

no.

 

[Skinpop]

Has Ronda landed a leg kick on the best boxer in the world? Has she landed one on even an average male fighter in an actual fight?

let me just tell you that it takes years of practice to get good at defending leg kicks. without training his legs would be done for, it's as simple as that. considering she wouldn't have to worry about any grappling from his side, she can be extremely liberal with her leg kicks.

he is not going to be able to protect himself against leg kicks if he hasn't practiced it.

 

[Karsha]

You guys think that not throwing kicks equals to not knowing how to use legs? Boxers train hard as hell on their leg movements, they are equally important as the punches .
And the MMA vs Boxing makes no sense at all, different rules ,different type of training.
A boxer would get beaten hard on a mma ring as a mma fighter would on a boxing ring.

 

[The Shogun]

I can tell you're not familiar with floyd's career or watch much boxing in general if you don't think he's capable of running away and getting himself out of trouble. It's probably what he's been best at over his career and the thing he's been criticized the most for. He's EXTREMELY quick on his feet.

In this scenario that will never ever happen anyway, why is floyd just standing there watching her shoot from across the octagon like "ooo boy what do i do now?". He is insanely good at creating distance, and his hand speed and combos are off the charts.

So Rousey misses her double leg when floyd jumps out of the way, like he's more than capable of doing and has done over his long career, what now? She's getting back up and trying to correct herself for the next shot while floyd is working his angles and flurrying at her in MMA gloves with speed and power she's never dealt with.

Of course, she could land a home run double leg on him and tap him out, but I doubt she could catch him.

This isn't 42 year old James Toney, who was always a flat footed fighter who fought off the ropes and used shoulder rolls to stay out of trouble. He was hand picked by Dana because he knew he would get worked, but also had the balls to go through with it.

I'm well aware of Floyds skill set. The best defensive boxer in the entire game hands down.

Doesn't mean a single thing in grappling. There is nothing you can take from striking and apply it towards the grappling arts ESPECIALLY not traditional boxing. Literally the traditional boxing stance spells doom to takedowns. Your hips are far far far too vulnerable. Traditional Muay Thai translates better.

I think Ronda beats most bantamweight men.

No way. The elite men at Bantamweight would crush her.

 

[EviLore]

Ronda would have a significant advantage against Floyd, despite it being a girl vs guy match. Boxing doesn't give you magic powers against high level grappling. Pure strikers, no matter how good, get wrecked by submission grapplers with enough physicality to effect a takedown and enough experience to do it correctly under pressure, and Ronda has those attributes. Boxing footwork is irrelevant: the distance can be closed, without being exposed to punches. A boxer trying to close the distance on another boxer in a boxing match is not at all the same scenario as a grappler closing the distance on a striker in order to get a takedown.

1-3 years of serious prep for Floyd to have the right tools to deal with it and start to be able to keep it standing and use his much superior physical attributes and boxing ability, but even then, it's extremely rare for a high level athlete in a specialized combat sport to transition successfully to a completely different set of rules. His mind and body are a machine adapted to boxing rules.


Ronda vs any high level male MMA fighter, from pretty much any weight class, would be a different story. Wouldn't be pretty. There's an enormous disparity in athletic capacity between men and women, and when both fighters have the same tools, that becomes the most relevant factor.

 

[RK9039]

I think Ronda beats most bantamweight men.

Not very likely.

http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Weight_Class/Bantamweight

Ronda would have a significant advantage against Floyd, despite it being a girl vs guy match. Boxing doesn't give you magic powers against high level grappling. Pure strikers, no matter how good, get wrecked by submission grapplers with enough physicality to effect a takedown and enough experience to do it correctly under pressure, and Ronda has those attributes. Boxing footwork is irrelevant: the distance can be closed, without being exposed to punches. A boxer trying to close the distance on another boxer in a boxing match is not at all the same scenario as a grappler closing the distance on a striker in order to get a takedown.

So true.

 

[cdyhybrid]

... and where's the proven track record of "best boxers on the planet" beating women MMA fighters?

I dunno, it's a match-up that doesn't happen, which is why I find it odd that you're so sure of the outcome in this particular scenario.

Could Barry Bonds serve a tennis ball faster than Sabine Lisicki (has the number one fastest female serve in history)? They both hit balls. They're both top athletes. And he's a MALE (which apparently means his power is able to overcome her skill since this competition has physical aspects).

Another terrible comparison. Completely different mechanics and equipment.

let me just tell you that it takes years of practice to get good at defending leg kicks. without training his legs would be done for, it's as simple as that. considering she wouldn't have to worry about any grappling from his side, she can be extremely liberal with her leg kicks.

he is not going to be able to protect himself against leg kicks if he hasn't practiced it.

You're assuming he stands there and lets her kick his legs.

He has literally built his entire career on being incredibly difficult to hit.

 

[Lazyslob]

shes a great fighter but why the hell do they need to keep comparing her to guys or be like "yeah she can hang with dudez!" for her to be legitimate? im sure she can beat some guys in 135 but there would have to be some kind of stipulation like he has to be a bad prelim fighter or something dumb.

i also think she would sub floyd. if you've never grappled before or against someone good you WILL get rag dolled

 

[HolyBaikal]

Sigh... I'm disagreeing with EviLore again, that's scary. v.v

 

[Skinpop]

I dunno, it's a match-up that doesn't happen, which is why I find it odd that you're so sure of the outcome in this particular scenario.



Another terrible comparison. Completely different mechanics and equipment.



You're assuming he stands there and lets her kick his legs.

He has literally built his entire career on being incredibly difficult to hit.

yeah, but not on his legs not being hit. its completely different. those skills doesn't magically translate to his legs. if anything he will be used to exposing them.

 

[Caboose]

I think Ronda beats most bantamweight men.

Nein.

 

[Frog-fu]

Mayweather is a top tier world class boxer, currently the best in his game and probably the greatest of all time in his weight division, and some of y'all wonder why people are sceptical of the notion of Ronda Rousey beating him? C'mon now.

Ronda would have a significant advantage against Floyd, despite it being a girl vs guy match. Boxing doesn't give you magic powers against high level grappling. Pure strikers, no matter how good, get wrecked by submission grapplers with enough physicality to effect a takedown and enough experience to do it correctly under pressure, and Ronda has those attributes. Boxing footwork is irrelevant: the distance can be closed, without being exposed to punches. A boxer trying to close the distance on another boxer in a boxing match is not at all the same scenario as a grappler closing the distance on a striker in order to get a takedown.

1-3 years of serious prep for Floyd to have the right tools to deal with it and start to be able to keep it standing and use his much superior physical attributes and boxing ability, but even then, it's extremely rare for a high level athlete in a specialized combat sport to transition successfully to a completely different set of rules. His mind and body are a machine adapted to boxing rules.


Ronda vs any high level male MMA fighter, from pretty much any weight class, would be a different story. Wouldn't be pretty. There's an enormous disparity in athletic capacity between men and women, and when both fighters have the same tools, that becomes the most relevant factor.

This is a pretty good take on it. In stand up, Mayweather would wreck Rousey. He loses the moment she clinches him. No amount of prep is going to prepare Mayweather adequately against someone as experienced as Rousey.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Mayweather is a top tier world class boxer, currently the best in his game and probably the greatest of all time in his weight division, and some of y'all wonder why people are sceptical of the notion Ronda Rousey beating him? C'mon now.

Give any bum off the street a few years of MMA training and they could beat Floyd in a street fight, apparently.

yeah, but not on his legs not being hit. its completely different. those skills doesn't magically translate to his legs. if anything he will be used to exposing them.

The last sentence is something he would have to worry about (being used to not having to defend his legs), but aside from that it essentially comes down to vision, reaction time, and speed. Things which he possesses in greater quantities than almost anyone on the planet.

 

[A More Normal Bird]

The issue is that Rousey's wheelhouse (grappling) is the part of the game where the weight and strength advantage any hypothetical male opponent would have would be the most useful. I think the real question people want answered is whether or not Holly Holm could beat Jake Shields in a kickboxing match.

 

[Ronda Rousey]

This discussion is hilarious.. C'mon guys. I'm not even going to entertain the idea of responding to this thread.

 

[Big-E]

I think she might have a chance against Floyd if they fought like right now. You give him prep time to understand the MMA game and I think Ronda would most definitely lose.

 

[The Shogun]

Give any bum off the street a few years of MMA training and they could beat Floyd in a street fight, apparently.

Rousey has been training grappling since the age of 7 years old.................

 

[BronsonLee]

This discussion is hilarious.. C'mon guys. I'm not even going to entertain the idea of responding to this thread.

Could you beat Batman in a fight?

Also, thoughts on the new Pokemon coming out, I heard you were in it as the head of the Elite Four

 

[ColdLasagna]

She is not beating Floyd. As much as I can't stand his style, personality or the air he breathes.


She is a bad bad bad bad bad ass woman and I would sniff the towels she uses to wipe herself. She has dominated her division like Jordan going for 45 at halftime.

She is not beating Floyd.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I'm well aware of Floyds skill set. The best defensive boxer in the entire game hands down.

Doesn't mean a single thing in grappling. There is nothing you can take from striking and apply it towards the grappling arts ESPECIALLY not traditional boxing. Literally the traditional boxing stance spells doom to takedowns. Your hips are far far far too vulnerable. Traditional Muay Thai translates better.



No way. The elite men at Bantamweight would crush her.

You're acting like floyd is a traditional old school boxer who just stands there and throw stationary1 2's. He's a special fighter with a different style. While I agree with you that Muay Thai is a better foundation for MMA, it's kind of irrelevant to the topic of floyd mayweather vs ronda rousey.

His defensive reflexes are off the charts. Reflexes always translate.

I think a guy like Floyd or prime RJJ would do well in MMA with some training on how to stuff takedowns, just because they're such dynamic strikers with amazing defense and hand speed.

But you will never see top flight boxing talent compete in MMA because MMA fighters don't get paid nearly as much as the top boxers.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Rousey has been training grappling since the age of 7 years old.................

And she would still get shit on by even average male MMA fighters. The physical difference is too great, and it doesn't just disappear because she's fighting a boxer instead of an average MMA fighter.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

There's a reason the poll asks if could Ronda beat a guy who has no formal training what so ever in MMA in a MMA match. They damn sure wouldn't ask if Ronda could beat Dillashaw.

 

[DarkFlow]

You're acting like floyd is a traditional old school boxer who just stands there and throw stationary1 2's. He's a special fighter with a different style. While I agree with you that Muay Thai is a better foundation for MMA, it's kind of irrelevant to the topic of floyd mayweather vs ronda rousey.

His defensive reflexes are off the charts. Reflexes always translate.

I think a guy like Floyd or prime RJJ would do well in MMA with some training on how to stuff takedowns, just because they're such dynamic strikers with amazing defense and hand speed.

But you will never see top flight boxing talent compete in MMA because MMA fighters don't get paid nearly as much as the top boxers.

The last 2 pics you've posted have been banned sites. Might want to fix that.
Edit: stealth edit got it!

 

[The Shogun]

There's a reason the poll asks if could Ronda beat a guy who has no formal training what so ever in MMA in a MMA match. They damn sure wouldn't ask if Ronda could beat Dillashaw.

Dillashaw would obliterate her. I mean damn.........

And she would still get shit on by even average male MMA fighters. The physical difference is too great, and it doesn't just disappear because she's fighting a boxer instead of an average MMA fighter.

It doesn't dissapear no, but the sheer difference in skill set would more than overcome the physical differences between the two.

I'm not trying to bash Floyd here, the guy is incredible and watching him is a thing of beauty. That said, the man has zero ground skills and many of the things that help him in boxing would actually hurt him in grappling. They are very vastly different skills.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Ronda would have a significant advantage against Floyd, despite it being a girl vs guy match. Boxing doesn't give you magic powers against high level grappling. Pure strikers, no matter how good, get wrecked by submission grapplers with enough physicality to effect a takedown and enough experience to do it correctly under pressure, and Ronda has those attributes. Boxing footwork is irrelevant: the distance can be closed, without being exposed to punches. A boxer trying to close the distance on another boxer in a boxing match is not at all the same scenario as a grappler closing the distance on a striker in order to get a takedown.

1-3 years of serious prep for Floyd to have the right tools to deal with it and start to be able to keep it standing and use his much superior physical attributes and boxing ability, but even then, it's extremely rare for a high level athlete in a specialized combat sport to transition successfully to a completely different set of rules. His mind and body are a machine adapted to boxing rules.


Ronda vs any high level male MMA fighter, from pretty much any weight class, would be a different story. Wouldn't be pretty. There's an enormous disparity in athletic capacity between men and women, and when both fighters have the same tools, that becomes the most relevant factor.

What about Alistair Overeem, Crocop, Bas Rutten, etc? They all had next no ground game and were top level MMA fighters. Junior Dos Santos is basically just a boxer.

 

[Lazyslob]

You're acting like floyd is a traditional old school boxer who just stands there and throw stationary1 2's. He's a special fighter with a different style. While I agree with you that Muay Thai is a better foundation for MMA, it's kind of irrelevant to the topic of floyd mayweather vs ronda rousey.

His defensive reflexes are off the charts. Reflexes always translate.

I think a guy like Floyd or prime RJJ would do well in MMA with some training on how to stuff takedowns, just because they're such dynamic strikers with amazing defense and hand speed.

But you will never see top flight boxing talent compete in MMA because MMA fighters don't get paid nearly as much as the top boxers.

so wrong. floyd would be fighting in lightweight which is insanely talented. it would take him forever to get his wrestling and JJ down as well. by the time he did all that he would be old and get smashed. if he started doing mma as his first discipline then yea.