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[JCreasy]

 

[AstroNut325]

Yeah, less competition! Yes! Who needs innovation!?

If Samsung really wanted to compete they would have innovated instead of trying to copy Apple.

 

[MetatronM]

Yeah, less competition! Yes! Who needs innovation!?

But the finding is that Samsung was (mostly) NOT innovating...


(Not making a judgment of whether this is a good or bad thing. Just stating a fact.)

 

[Colonel Nasty]

This is good for windows phone right?

 

[EvilDick34]

If these were samsung's patents people would be in here saying how all is right in the world.

MT, we get it. you are an Apple fan.

 

[MThanded]

Microsoft isn't getting sued for the surface. This could have been avoided along time ago.

 

[Horse Detective]

I am stealing this.

 

[MrDaravon]

I doubt that. Apple just doesn't want people ripping off their ideas. I don't think they'd charge more for it.

Do you really honestly believe that?

Also I'm really enjoying all of the live tweets that have "?" at the end of them. This is gonna take a while to get everything straight.

 

[DietRob]

I just need to know if I have to bury my Nexus s4g in the back yard?

I don't want it to explode in my hands here.

 

[Dicer]

Apple:

Anyone with common sence

Fixed

 

[NateDrake]

*hugs Samsung Galaxy S3*

 

[PaulLFC]

Hahaha go Apple, fuck you Android losers! The one true king has prevailed. The black rectangle is OURS

Insulting a large number of GAF members twice. What a nice person you are.

 

[impirius]

The main thing that I've gotten from all this is that Samsung has an entire dictionary's worth of phone names

 

[Hoo-doo]

So, what's the impact of this in Europe for example?

Insulting a large number of GAF members twice. What a nice person you are.

No fun allowed, eh?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

This reminds me of how people attach to trivial non-issues and boogeymen instead of discussing and resolving the big picture problems. Apple, Samsung, Google, etc are all companies living in a terrible world of bullshit patent law, and rooting one way or the other here ignores the real problems in order to have a good guy and a bad guy to help you mentally parse and compartmentalize your opinion.

 

[BocoDragon]

Hahaha hilarious how emotional the response to a patent case is. It's bizzare. Popcorn.gif

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

The 109 page document where samsung basically admitted to copying apple for lots of things is what did them in for sure.

 

[Mr Swine]

I doubt that. Apple just doesn't want people ripping off their ideas. I don't think they'd charge more for it.

Their ideas? They are ripping of others ideas as much as Samsung is doing, that is just bs what your saying

 

[Kinitari]

What the fuck, they think the SOFTWARE patents infringe more? Gotttam

 

[DR2K]

I doubt that. Apple just doesn't want people ripping off their ideas. I don't think they'd charge more for it.

Do you honestly believe that?

 

[itsgreen]

Insulting a large number of GAF members twice. What a nice person you are.

I know where he can stuff his black rectangle

 

[Zee-Row]

Come on man, how can you hate Scottie Pippen?

LOL that crappy console they teamed up with bandai to make!

 

[Valnen]

Samsung did this to themselves. What they did with the original Galaxy and Touchwiz was disgraceful and shouldn't be allowed in the United States. Companies get away with that stuff in the black market in Asia.

I am not an Apple fan or Apple user, but I've heard countless people mistake the Galaxy phones for iPhones. This case was a slam dunk for Apple. As a matter of fact I own 2 of the original Galaxy phones and it's laughable how much they went out of their way to make the things look like iOS and iPhone 3G.

God forbid consumers have a familiar UI on devices that are supposed to do the same thing.

God forbid another company make a better version of what Apple is offering.

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

I think it's very interesting to hear about how screwed up the patent system is once the verdict starts to be read. Very interesting indeed.

It's alWays been talked about. Here, podcast, and whatnot.

 

[MThanded]

When will we get a decent patent system? and how?

God forbid consumers have a familiar UI on devices that are supposed to do the same thing.

You can't confuse OSX and windows. At least no one I know has.

 

[Davidion]

I think it's very interesting to hear about how screwed up the patent system is once the verdict starts to be read. Very interesting indeed.

Yeah that sentiment has certainly not been expressed at all on neogaf non-stop for months and years now.

 

[PaulLFC]

So, what's the impact of this in Europe for example?




No fun allowed, eh?

I like fun as much as the next person, but there was no need for that.

 

[MechDX]

Samsung stock takes a nosedive and Microsoft scoops them up on the cheap?

Could be awesome!

 

[dream]

The main thing that I've gotten from all this is that Samsung has an entire dictionary's worth of phone names

And the majority of them have been proven to be KIRFs.

 

[NekoFever]

Samsung's been using this, clearly.

 

[kurtrussell]

Question 9 — was Samsung willful in its infringement?

This is the big one

 

[Wario64]

3:54:36 PM PDT

D'677: Yes for Fascinate, S 4G, S2 ATT, S2 Tmobile, Epic 4G Touch, Skyrocket, Showcase, Infuse 4G, Mesmerize, and Vibrant
3:54:06 PM PDT

Question 9 — was Samsung willful in its infringement? Big one here for damages.

 

[Penguins&PolarBears]

Yup, Silliest thing I have seen. Whomever wins, the consumer loses so I am not sure why people are happy about this.

I don't think that's the case. I believe by protecting intellectual property and patents you protect innovation which is good for consumers. It gives value to individual creation and encourages companies to create new things. When you devalue patents and innovations you punish originality. The Galaxy S was not an original device. It was a blatant copy of a very popular product.

If you are going to compete with Apple and win as Samsung did, then it should be because you came up with something original, not because you were meticulous about copying every facet of Apple's products as the court evidence demonstrated.

 

[Nobility]

Damn, yes to willful infringement?

Samsung is screwed.

 

[KennyLinder]

Question 9 — was Samsung willful in its infringement?

This is the big one

What does wilful in its infringment mean?

 

[sk3]

Quick recap:

scroll back bounce : infringe
tap to zoom: infringe
scrolling gestures: infringe

305, iphone gui: infringe

677 and 087, iphone hardware design: infringe
889, ipad hardware design: DOES NOT infringe

And the big one:
Willful infringement on samsungs part? yes, yes, and yes

 

[JimFear]

 

[gcubed]

This reminds me of how people attach to trivial non-issues and boogeymen instead of discussing and resolving the big picture problems. Apple, Samsung, Google, etc are all companies living in a terrible world of bullshit patent law, and rooting one way or the other here ignores the real problems in order to have a good guy and a bad guy to help you mentally parse and compartmentalize your opinion.

the best thing i can see out of this case is maybe the $$ will be enough to put focus on the shitty system

 

[KHarvey16]

Yeah that sentiment has certainly not been expressed at all on neogaf non-stop for months and years now.

You misunderstand. Their response was dependent upon Apple so far receiving a favorable ruling. That's the hilarious part.

 

[BocoDragon]

Does Windows Phone effectively dodge most of these patents?

That always struck me as a genuine alternative to iPhone-inspired design. But I'm sure that was a conscious decision, coming so late in the game.

 

[MetatronM]

3:55:33 PM PDT

'889 No for both Galaxy Tab models.
3:55:25 PM PDT

D'305: Yes for Captivate, Continuum, Showcase, Gem, Indugle, Infuse 4G, Mesmerize, Vibrant.
3:54:58 PM PDT

D'087: Yes for S 4G, Vibrant. No for S2 ATT, S2 Epic 4G Touch, S2 Skyrocket, Infuse 4G.
3:54:36 PM PDT

D'677: Yes for Fascinate, S 4G, S2 ATT, S2 Tmobile, Epic 4G Touch, Skyrocket, Showcase, Infuse 4G, Mesmerize, and Vibrant
3:54:06 PM PDT

Question 9 — was Samsung willful in its infringement? Big one here for damages.





Ouch...those are gonna hurt.



EDIT:
3:56:00 PM PDT

Sorry, last question was whether Samsung should have known. This next one is willfulness.


Bah, nevermind.

 

[rozay]

If these were samsung's patents people would be in here saying how all is right in the world.

Right, there's nobody in here who thinks that software patents in general are bullshit. Continue trolling.

 

[Wario64]

3:55:33 PM PDT

'889 No for both Galaxy Tab models.

3:55:25 PM PDT

D'305: Yes for Captivate, Continuum, Showcase, Gem, Indugle, Infuse 4G, Mesmerize, Vibrant.

3:54:58 PM PDT

D'087: Yes for S 4G, Vibrant. No for S2 ATT, S2 Epic 4G Touch, S2 Skyrocket, Infuse 4G.


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3:56:00 PM PDT

Sorry, last question was whether Samsung should have known. This next one is willfulness.


lol verge

 

[DUFFMCWALIN]

When will we get a decent patent system? and how?

No not when massive companies pay a shit ton for thing like this to happen. Things really couldn't being going better for Apple. They are knocking out one of their main rivals in any way they can and its working.

 

[EvilDick34]

What is clear from this is that the Jury did not do their job like they we're suppose to. They basically went into deliberations with the mindset that they wanted to be done with this whole thing in time for the weekend.

 

[giga]

Galaxy Tab didn't infringe iPad design. That's pretty big.

 

[MThanded]

The infringement was deemed willful for most.


SEC: Yes for all but D'087 and D'889

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Damn, willful infringement?

Samsung is screwed.

like I said, that 109 page document did them in. They admitted to copying many a things. As willful as it gets.

 

[victreeb3l]

samsung fucked up.

 

[RoyalFool]

Wait wait wait, apple trademarked the bounce-back? Why on earth would a system allow such a thing to be patented. That's like saying Henry Ford could have patented the auto-mobile and we would be here in 2012 with far inferior cars costing twice as much.

Let me guess, the patent office isn't a 'non profit' organisation?