Court set to rule on Apple vs Samsung case in a few minutes

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K.Sabot said:
The real losers in this are the consumers who have to wait on Apple for product iteration in the future.
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You should explain your logic here. Look at the Lumia.


EvilDick34 said:
The only good thing now is that an ACTUAL judge can rule on this awful decision by a jury of people who rushed through everything so they could get a head start on their BBQ party.
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What is this? Is he being serious. I know he can't see my posts. But seriously.
 
Blastoise said:
A billion dollars is nothing for Samsung in the long run. The problem is that Apple's patents were not invalidated. Android manufacturers were hoping they would be. This means that Apple now has an advantage when taking on other infringement cases.

Either Android will have to adapt to the new standards/patent terms, or they will have to pay Apple a licensing fee (and only if Apple are willing to license their patents).
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Yep. Apple's oh-so-obvious goal is to make Android (which has run them over in the marketplace) less desirable as a whole, and this - winning a major case against the largest Android OEM - is one step on the way toward that goal. My feeling is that they won't stop until Android is either dead or a shadow of its former self. That's not only gonna fuck over Google and Android OEMs, but also everyone who legitimately thinks Android is a better OS than iOS. And that's why Apple is never getting a cent of my money.
 
Error said:
I'm glad there's none of this nonsense in the gaming industry.
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there's quite a bit of it.

Sega patent on racing game navigation (Crazy Taxi Arrow) is why most racing games have those super tall light beams instead.

Namco patent on game as a loading screen (remember Ridge Racer PS1?)

Microsoft custom soundtrack patent!

and iirc, either Sega or Namco has one on displaying certain kinds of data in training mode in fighting games.
 
SailorDaravon said:
I agree with that, we're mostly talking about if it's bannable to post a PM publicly. I swear I've seen it on the gaming side at least once or twice, but again those could have been specific to the situation.
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Then it's best probably to just PM a mod. No need to shit up the forum with the fight.
 
Kinitari said:
Who said I was? My previous question was specifically regarding the posts that ask how the jury could make the decision they made on specific phones -

You're straw manning, plain and simple.
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Straw manning? Those are the responses I referred to in the post you responded to. The question you asked is one to pose to those accusing the jury of being stupid, not me. I didn't claim anything about them.
 
I'll go back to flip phones before I ever buy an Apple phone. Hopefully a better alternative is out there if Android is hurt by this.
 
EightBitNate said:
Can we stop with this shit? It's been proven in a court of law they're not crazy.
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Its proven that only in the US this will happen how many trials have Apple really won in Europe????they even had one where the judge ordered them to put on their sites that Samsung didnt do anything wrong....
 
Nevasleep said:
Are Samsung the biggest RAM manufactorers too? But I think Apple has stocked up on RAM?
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AFAIK samsung is the only provider of ram, and they supply the processor too. i highly doubt apple will ever get into a supply-chain problem considering thats whats gotten them their insane profit margins.
Rebel Leader said:
Please, My mother would like to know
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i found this one

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Does anyone get the feeling that rather than being the smartphone patent war climax, this is just the beginning?

Google have a lot of very handy Motorola patents that could cause damage and I'd imagine a lot of retaliatory patents will get thrown about in the coming months.

Add to the mix a handful of patent troll companies who do nothing but buy software patents from deceased companies who will want to get a slice of the pie from both Apple and Android, and I can't see this being over any time soon.

This is going to get a bit mental.
 
KHarvey16 said:
Straw manning? Those are the responses I referred to in the post you responded to. The question you asked is one to pose to those accusing the jury of being stupid, not me. I didn't claim anything about them.
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Check my last post's edit for more info if you're so inclined, but the timeline was

You making fun of people who say things like "boo jury" for no reason

Me saying that there are legitimate arguments made about the jury

You then making a point about not knowing why the jury did what they did

me saying 'yeah but those 'jury' arguments are at least somewhat valid'

Then this debacle. I never once thought you should have given the "jury is rigged!" comments and legitimate thoughts, but I would have normally expected you to at least give some thought to the reasonable questions.
 
SRG01 said:
Can we stop with these court of law arguments? Juries can be flawed as shown many times in history, as shown either immediately by public opinion or by appeals by law.
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Might as well not even have court cases then. Just flip a coin.
 
Zee-Row said:
I'll go back to flip phones before I ever buy an Apple phone. Hopefully a better alternative is out there if Android is hurt by this.
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I actually still have some old flip phones i can use and was just thinking the same thing. I refuse to give Apple one penny of my money, they will never have me as a customer. The sane people in this thread have to hope Samsung gets competent judges in their appeals.
 
"5:49 PM | by Josh Lowensohn
Koh: there are at least 2 problems.
5:49 PM | by Josh Lowensohn
Back after some technical problems. Everyone fighting for Internet. And Koh comes back in"

MThanded said:
Might as well not even have court cases then. Just flip a coin.
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I've always been a fan of the European system. edit: IE. Investigatory instead of adversarial.
 
Kinitari said:
there are a looooot of dumb posts in this thread.
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Which suggests they should be discussed while they're being posted. Plenty of time to discuss the finer points of trade dress, software patents, FRAND, etc. Right now we're just gonna call out the silliness.
 
The Faceless Master said:
there's quite a bit of it.

Sega patent on racing game navigation (Crazy Taxi Arrow) is why most racing games have those super tall light beams instead.

Namco patent on game as a loading screen (remember Ridge Racer PS1?)

Microsoft custom soundtrack patent!

and iirc, either Sega or Namco has one on displaying certain kinds of data in training mode in fighting games.
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Nintendo should've sued sony for rumble or using 4 face buttons or shoulder buttons etc.. etc..

seriously I wonder how the industry would've been if nintendo was more aggressive with their patents.
 
RoadHazard said:
Yep. Apple's oh-so-obvious goal is to make Android (which has run them over in the marketplace) less desirable as a whole, and this - winning a major case against the largest Android OEM - is one step on the way toward that goal. My feeling is that they won't stop until Android is either dead or a shadow of its former self. That's not only gonna fuck over Google and Android OEMs, but also everyone who legitimately thinks Android is a better OS than iOS.
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I don't see how anyone can honestly think that. Regardless of device, AndriodOS always runs clunkier and slower than iOS, and feels like a cheap knock off to boot.

Now Windows Phone 7 on the otherhand, that I can see being seen as legimately better, at the very least it doesn't feel like a cheap knockoff.
 
kurtrussell said:
Does anyone get the feeling that rather than being the smartphone patent war climax, this is just the beginning?

Google have a lot of very handy Motorola patents that could cause damage and I'd imagine a lot of retaliatory patents will get thrown about in the coming months.

Add to the mix a handful of patent troll companies who do nothing but buy software patents from deceased companies who will want to get a slice of the pie from both Apple and Android, and I can't see this being over any time soon.

This is going to get a bit mental.
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Can't wait for Google's notification shade patent to get granted, so they can sue Apple's hypocritical asses over it.
 
4:50:33 PM PDT
Judge Koh is back in the courtroom. There are at least two problems with the verdict form.
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So what was the fuckup? This sounds like it will be more about boring technicality
 
Insane overreactions here.

I don't see much changing to be honest.

The whole patent war is stupid, but Samsung clearly went over the edge with some of their design choices.
 
4:51 PM | by Josh LowensohnKoh: Other issue on the 10.1 4G LTE, it is accused of D889 both direct and inducement, then dilution of trade dress, but there shouldn't be damages for that either.

4:50 PM | by Josh LowensohnSamsung: 1 issue, under 915 patent, the infringement was not found directly, so there should be no damages.

4:49 PM | by Josh LowensohnKoh: there are at least 2 problems

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4:52 PM | by Josh LowensohnKoh: I am going to -- put it in as a neutral form as possible -- there seems to be an inconstancy in that there was no finding of direct inducement or D889 patent and no finding of dilution or infringement of Tab 10.1, yet $214K in damages have been awarded.
 
Stephen Colbert said:
I don't see how anyone can honestly think that. Regardless of device, AndriodOS always runs clunkier and slower than iOS, and feels like a cheap knock off to boot.

Now Windows Phone 7 on the otherhand, that I can see being seen as legimately better, at the very least it doesn't feel like a cheap knockoff.
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This is a bit off topic, but I agree. I can't wait to get rid of my android. Deciding between Iphone 5 or some windows phone. Right now I'm divided but I know I will be sold on the iphone 5 as soon as it's announced.
 
Stephen Colbert said:
I don't see how anyone can honestly think that. Regardless of device, AndriodOS always runs clunkier and slower than iOS, and feels like a cheap knock off to boot.

Now Windows Phone 7 on the otherhand, that I can see being seen as legimately better, at the very least it doesn't feel like a cheap knockoff.
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Funny you mention WP7, considering the "smoked by windows phone" mini-scandal earlier thus year.

Just accept that not everyone wants to live the walled garden, as beautiful as it may be.
 
Well this sucks for american consumers, for sure. And foreign companies will no doubt start to wonder if they ever will be able to catch a break in US courts against domestic competition...
 
"Koh: I am going to -- put it in as a neutral form as possible -- there seems to be an inconstancy in that there was no finding of direct inducement or D889 patent and no finding of dilution or infringement of Tab 10.1, yet $214K in damages have been awarded."
 
Stephen Colbert said:
I don't see how anyone can honestly think that. Regardless of device, AndriodOS always runs clunkier and slower than iOS, and feels like a cheap knock off to boot.
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Well, that's just BS. If Android was still at 2.x I could possibly agree, but try using a Galaxy Nexus with Jelly Bean for a while, and you'll realize how wrong you are. Android has made great strides lately, and is now an awesome (and very smooth) mobile OS.
 
Stephen Colbert said:
I don't see how anyone can honestly think that. Regardless of device, AndriodOS always runs clunkier and slower than iOS, and feels like a cheap knock off to boot.

Now Windows Phone 7 on the otherhand, that I can see being seen as legimately better, at the very least it doesn't feel like a cheap knockoff.
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jeh lee been
 
KHarvey16 said:
Which suggests they should be discussed while they're being posted. Plenty of time to discuss the finer points of trade dress, software patents, FRAND, etc. Right now we're just gonna call out the silliness.
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I personally think the Samsung's lawyers need to sanctioned under Rule 11. Any idiot knew this was going to be legit under patent exhaustion. Apple bought the chips complete from their vendor. Their remedy was going after the suppliers. But they didn't. So sucks to be Samsung.
 
SRG01 said:
"Koh: I am going to -- put it in as a neutral form as possible -- there seems to be an inconstancy in that there was no finding of direct inducement or D889 patent and no finding of dilution or infringement of Tab 10.1, yet $214K in damages have been awarded."
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The jury rushed and is incompetent, not shocking.
 
SRG01 said:
"Koh: I am going to -- put it in as a neutral form as possible -- there seems to be an inconstancy in that there was no finding of direct inducement or D889 patent and no finding of dilution or infringement of Tab 10.1, yet $214K in damages have been awarded."
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zomg but juries are infallible and the short time they had to do the verdict caused no problems!
 
The iPhone hipster thing is a terrible stereotype. Everyone and their mums has an iPhone these days. I'm actually thinking of switching to another platform because I'm starting to feel like a sheep.
 
SRG01 said:
Can we stop with these court of law arguments? Juries can be flawed as shown many times in history, as shown either immediately by public opinion or by appeals by law.
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Yeah, but the whole "LOL APPLE IS TEH CRAZY!!!!1!!!" argument doesn't hold up as well anymore. If a jury, made up of everyday people who buy these products (called consumers, fyi) siding with them, isn't it damning evidence that they're not lunatics? The people who go out and give these companies their money agree that they're right, but you think it's just luck of the draw on the jury?

How can you be wrong with a case like this? It's all matter of opinion, as evident by this thread. Most people in here are biased one way or another but I doubt the consumer is.



sniffles said:
c'mon, man. It's Apple, therefore overpriced until it's free. A sign of conspicuous consumption...
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The iPhone's overpriced? It's priced similarly to almost every flagship out there.
 
Stephen Colbert said:
I don't see how anyone can honestly think that. Regardless of device, AndriodOS always runs clunkier and slower than iOS, and feels like a cheap knock off to boot.

Now Windows Phone 7 on the otherhand, that I can see being seen as legimately better, at the very least it doesn't feel like a cheap knockoff.
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Really???Android 4.1 runs pretty well and it has nothing to do with ios nor does it feel like a cheap knoff to boot either...
 
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