Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Were hospitals the only option for vaccine rollouts? In America there were a lot of places that were requisitioned for vaccination deployment. Movie theaters, CVS, Walgreens, Walmarts, churches, community centers, etc.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
KiNeMz
Banned
NO they arent. There is a mass vaccination certe in the Heart of Melbourne city. I think each state has a large center. Also Chemists and some Doctors practices. But to handle any large numbers and queues are the hospitals.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I have to admit that I only get the flu shot every other year or so, mainly because I am lazy and forgetful. Seems like it would be worth getting the COVID vaccine just to avoid all the social hassles though even if you aren't expecting any health issues?
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
But my sister's best friend on Facebook who has a cousin who has a brother whose girlfriend follows a doctor on Instagram says that I need to take horse medicine immediately!!!!!
Are you telling me that these uneducated morons are an untrustworthy source of medical information???????????????????????
Dr_Salt
Banned
Is there even a single study on the biodistribution of the mrna vaccine in humans? Also I don't fear lipids, I fear lipids that have spike protein. You well know what I'm talking about so spare me the sarcasm please.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
What about capsids containing full viral RNA rather than just the spike mRNA?
Thesuffering79
Banned
That isnt true. I posted multiple studies on it. I dont think i have used an Egyptian one at all.
A COVID-19 prophylaxis? Lower incidence associated with prophylactic administration of ivermectin - PubMed
As COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019) continues to rapidly spread throughout the world, the incidence varies greatly among different countries. These differences raise the question whether nations with a lower incidence share any medical commonalities that could be used not only to explain that...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
COVID-19: The Ivermectin African Enigma - PubMed
The incidence in mortality rates and number of cases is significantly lower among the APOC countries compared to non-APOC countries. That a mass public health preventive campaign against COVID-19 may have taken place, inadvertently, in some African countries with massive community ivermectin use...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Ivermectin to prevent hospitalizations in patients with COVID-19 (IVERCOR-COVID19): a structured summary of a study protocol for a randomized controlled trial - PubMed
ClinicalTrials.gov NCT04529525 . Registered on 26 August 2020 FULL PROTOCOL: The full protocol is attached as an additional file, accessible from the Trials website (Additional file 1). In the interest of expediting the dissemination of this material, the familiar formatting has been eliminated...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Role of ivermectin in the prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infection among healthcare workers in India: A matched case-control study - PubMed
Two-dose ivermectin prophylaxis at a dose of 300 μg/kg with a gap of 72 hours was associated with a 73% reduction of SARS-CoV-2 infection among healthcare workers for the following month. Chemoprophylaxis has relevance in the containment of pandemic.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness - PubMed
Ivermectin, a US Food and Drug Administration-approved anti-parasitic agent, was found to inhibit severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) replication in vitro. A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial was conducted to determine the rapidity of viral clearance and...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19 - PubMed
Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
People just make things up in this thread.
Edit also i said medicine not vaccine. For treatment of covid, show me a medicine that reduces duration by 3 days or more like ivermectin.
Edit 2: You actually used a Salon article as your source? Jesus Christ.
Edit 3: Turns out that "medicine" is an all encompassing term. I meant treatment. I know ivermectin is less effective than vaccines for prevention if you continually take boosters every 6 months.
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BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
That isnt true. I posted multiple studies on it. I dont think i have used an Egyptian one at all.
A COVID-19 prophylaxis? Lower incidence associated with prophylactic administration of ivermectin - PubMed
As COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019) continues to rapidly spread throughout the world, the incidence varies greatly among different countries. These differences raise the question whether nations with a lower incidence share any medical commonalities that could be used not only to explain that...COVID-19: The Ivermectin African Enigma - PubMed
The incidence in mortality rates and number of cases is significantly lower among the APOC countries compared to non-APOC countries. That a mass public health preventive campaign against COVID-19 may have taken place, inadvertently, in some African countries with massive community ivermectin use...Ivermectin to prevent hospitalizations in patients with COVID-19 (IVERCOR-COVID19): a structured summary of a study protocol for a randomized controlled trial - PubMed
ClinicalTrials.gov NCT04529525 . Registered on 26 August 2020 FULL PROTOCOL: The full protocol is attached as an additional file, accessible from the Trials website (Additional file 1). In the interest of expediting the dissemination of this material, the familiar formatting has been eliminated...Role of ivermectin in the prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infection among healthcare workers in India: A matched case-control study - PubMed
Two-dose ivermectin prophylaxis at a dose of 300 μg/kg with a gap of 72 hours was associated with a 73% reduction of SARS-CoV-2 infection among healthcare workers for the following month. Chemoprophylaxis has relevance in the containment of pandemic.A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness - PubMed
Ivermectin, a US Food and Drug Administration-approved anti-parasitic agent, was found to inhibit severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) replication in vitro. A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial was conducted to determine the rapidity of viral clearance and...Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19 - PubMed
Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report...
People just make things up in this thread.
Edit also i said medicine not vaccine. For treatment of covid, show me a medicine that reduces duration by 3 days or more like ivermectin.
Edit 2: You actually used a Salon article as your source? Jesus Christ.
Edit 3: Turns out that "medicine" is an all encompassing term. I meant treatment. I know ivermectin is less effective than vaccines for prevention if you continually take boosters every 6 months.
All of those studies are mentioned in the article I posted previously (they provided all of their sources or linked to the medical statements throughout). Those studies you posted all had too few participants to have meaningful results, or were focused on in vitro and not in vivo (also mentioned in the article). They're from countries that dearly want it to be true, that a common and cheap antiparasitic can help against COVID-19, but they didn't stand up to peer review.
You're making untrue claims. Also notice the tweet from the US FDA I just posted earlier.
Please don't think self administering a dewormer is going to prevent infection. Again, you may harm yourself. Please take the safe vaccines instead, which have been administered over 4.5 billion times and proven to be highly, highly effective.
- Side note: you're going to have a difficult time locating a debunked, retracted peer reviewed study. Because once retracted, the journal often takes it down .....
One last edit: you turn your nose up because the article was published by Salon - but their writers are familiar with the topic and rely upon experts, doctors, and the like to interpret data they themselves are not experts in, evident by their numerous sourcings and quotes. Are you a virologist? A medical doctor? Do you have any background in relevant laboratory research? Did you consult even your own doctor regarding these "findings"?
Look, I am trying to help you. I don't want you to end up a member of the "I did my own research" meme. Good luck and Godspeed, I mean that if you intend on taking that drug and not getting vaccinated.
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Men_in_Boxes
Banned
But my sister's best friend on Facebook who has a cousin who has a brother whose girlfriend follows a doctor on Instagram says that I need to take horse medicine immediately!!!!!
Are you telling me that these uneducated morons are an untrustworthy source of medical information???????????????????????
"Ivermectin proved to be more of a 'Wonder drug' in human health, improving nutrition, general health and wellbeing in billions of people worldwide ever since it was first used to treat Onchocerciasis in humans in 1988. It proved ideal in many ways, being highly effective and broad spectrum, safe, well tolerated and easily administered..."
- Satoshi Omura, Nobel Prize winner
Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective - PMC
Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
There's a way to discredit Ivermectin and it's not by tweeting "DeRp YoUr NoT a CoW dErp".
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
"Ivermectin proved to be more of a 'Wonder drug' in human health, improving nutrition, general health and wellbeing in billions of people worldwide ever since it was first used to treat Onchocerciasis in humans in 1988. It proved ideal in many ways, being highly effective and broad spectrum, safe, well tolerated and easily administered..."
- Satoshi Omura, Nobel Prize winner
Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective - PMC
Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial ...
There's a way to discredit Ivermectin and it's not by tweeting "DeRp YoUr NoT a CoW dErp".
Yes, it's a great antiparasitic. That's what it does.
Aspirin helps alleviate the headaches and muscle pains of billions yearly, but it will do fuck-all against COVID.
Men_in_Boxes
Banned
Did the FDA Twitter suggest Aspirin was for horses?
Thesuffering79
Banned
Dude stop using Salon as a source. SMH.
Are you really making me debunk a Salon article? That site is just propaganda.
I mean it says that Ivermectin can cause death link me a death purely caused by normal use of ivermectin. Just one. Millions of people use ivermectin as a prophylaxis too. Mexico and South Africa use it.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I'm not sure if you're being facetious, but they're framing that way for impact. They're the FDA, they know what it's used for the world over. In the 'States it's mostly used for treating farm animals, and it's that animal-grade version many people in the 'States are rushing out to get from agricultural supply shops. Context, nuance, the English language, all that.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I'll repeat the part of my post you left out, and then I'm done:
Again, good luck. I tried.
Thesuffering79
Banned
Good because all you do is make shit up.
I have linked broad studies like the one in South Africa as well as controlled studies. I have even linked a large scale study that was from the US government before too.
Men_in_Boxes
Banned
So they lied "for impact".
The FDA shouldn't be lying. Go after Ivermectin by saying it's not effective in combating Covid. Tweeting "YoUr NoT a CoW" does nothing for the skeptics because it's dishonest framing.
A percentage of people are losing trust in institutions for exactly this kind of stuff.
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Thesuffering79
Banned
The FDA is paid by pharmaceutical companies to review their product since 1992. The is a big conflict of interest problem happening there but the scope I don't know because there is no data there about it.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
What did they lie about? You didn't bother to click the link in the tweet did you? They exhaustively explain everything. What it is, what it's used for, the differences between human and animal versions and doses, etc. Here's their statement (or you can just click on the tweet yourself):
Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19
Using the Drug ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.
So read that, and let us know what they lied about in there.
That's a rhetorical question by the way, we know they didn't lie. You're just being contrarian for reasons that are beyond me.
Edit: oh boy the anti-vaxxers are now attacking the FDA, the federal agency that just yesterday they referenced for their reason not to get the vaccine (but curiously not Regeneron?). And now they're against the FDA so that they can take animal-grade medicine meant for something else. It's crazyville sometimes in this thread lol
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Men_in_Boxes
Banned
What did they lie about? You didn't bother to click the link in the tweet did you? They exhaustively explain everything. What it is, what it's used for, the differences between human and animal versions and doses, etc. Here's their statement (or you can just click on the tweet yourself):
Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19
Using the Drug ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.www.fda.gov
So read that, and let us know what they lied about in there.
That's a rhetorical question by the way, we know they didn't lie. You're just being contrarian for reasons that are beyond me.
It's a pretty generic article that doesn't do much one way or the other, but it's obviously framed dishonestly as the headline, and the first few paragraphs are themed "ItS fOr AnIMaLs DuMmIeS!"
I wonder if they knew that the vast majority of people would only read the title, less would read the first few paragraphs, and even less would get to the end (when they FINALLY mention it's use on humans)? This isn't a particularly sophisticated tactic.
The way you take down Ivermectin is by showing the public that it's ineffective in a number of high quality studies. Simple.
Instead, the tactic they use is "YoUr NoT cOw", which is how mothers talk to their two year old children.
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Thesuffering79
Banned
Zefah really went and wiped his whole slate clean
He might work in the industry. Stuff like what he is saying can get him fired if they trace it back to him.
Toons
Member
I feel like if that was the case hewouldnt have been posting it in the first place
Thesuffering79
Banned
True.
FunkMiller
Banned
That‘s not the reason he left. I think the FDA approval shook him because it removed a crutch for his argument, along with Evilore‘s pro-vaccine viewpoint. Quite a few people have left the site when they discover the guy who runs it doesn’t necessarily agree with their opinion.
FunkMiller
Banned
The government completely failed to establish the infrastructure to hand out the vaccine, no argument with that. The combination of not procuring enough, not creating the infrastructure, and also using anti-vax messaging has created the current mess. They got lazy and complacent because cases were so low, and thought it would burn itself out, while other countries like the U.K did the opposite, due to higher case rates. It would have actually been better if Australia had got ‘the fear’ properly last year by having more cases. Things would have progressed faster.
Zefah’s a good guy. He just painted himself into an untenable corner with this vaccine “skepticism” position.
This is not skepticism in the sense that the scientific community employs. Skepticism is dispassionate evaluation of empirical evidence and not falling for ideologues and bullshitters. It is also emotionally detaching to evaluate your own stances for ideology and bullshit.
Skepticism is ignoring politicians who have no idea what they’re talking about when they tell you to use some fringe treatment or to ignore a deadly virus. Skepticism is refusing to be afraid of “mRNA” because you don’t understand what it is, and instead breaking out a biology textbook and credible resources to inform yourself.
What skepticism is not: taking a diehard position against vaccines in total disregard of the available evidence, and trying to poke holes in the edges of every data to rationalize your chosen belief.
This is not skepticism in the sense that the scientific community employs. Skepticism is dispassionate evaluation of empirical evidence and not falling for ideologues and bullshitters. It is also emotionally detaching to evaluate your own stances for ideology and bullshit.
Skepticism is ignoring politicians who have no idea what they’re talking about when they tell you to use some fringe treatment or to ignore a deadly virus. Skepticism is refusing to be afraid of “mRNA” because you don’t understand what it is, and instead breaking out a biology textbook and credible resources to inform yourself.
What skepticism is not: taking a diehard position against vaccines in total disregard of the available evidence, and trying to poke holes in the edges of every data to rationalize your chosen belief.
ManaByte
Member
And here's the new narrative to fight tomorrow's FDA approval of Pfizer.
CertifiedKiwi
Member
NSW got the 'fear' now with daily numbers approaching 1000 and night curfews for some Sydney LGAs. It certainly sped up the vaccination rates for the state.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
True. A lot of people make the mistake of thinking that "practicing skepticism" and "being skeptical" are equivalent actions, when they're really not.
Jaysen
Banned
It’s called knowing your audience. Don’t go high intelligence when the people you’re trying to inform are a bunch of dumbasses doing everything they possibly can to avoid a proven vaccine. Even eating horse paste. Lol at Zefah hitting the eject button. Just admit you were being stupid and move on. It isn’t that big of a deal.
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FunkMiller
Banned
I'm sure very soon the FDA will basically be a bunch of baby eating satanists to the anti-vax crowd.
FunkMiller
Banned
Problem is, nothing is ever really 100% in this world. We're surrounded by various shades of grey, rather than that many absolutes. Okay, hydrogen will always burn to helium, and gravity will always send your legs through your skull if you jump off a high enough building, but there's very little else that any of us can be 100% about.
The issue is, a lot of people decide that unless something is 100% then it can't be trusted at all. And if there's any small amount of doubt or uncertainty, they'll jump on it to confirm their bias, even if looking at the data objectively reveals that their position is clearly in error. It's worse with people like Zefah, who are clearly intelligent and able to sift data effectively, because they can spot the small anomalies and uncertainties, and then blow them out of all proportion to fit a position.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I'm sure the true believers would whole heartedly acknowledge those high quality studies just like how they acknowledge the number of high quality studies that show vaccines are effective and safe. Simple.
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The user fees FDA charges aren’t some guarantee you’re going to get clearance/approval, it’s a fee because each submission is a giant tome of reports they have to review and may include expensive onsite audits over multiple days or weeks. The fees cover those expenses and are proportional based on the type of submissions being reviewed (some are smaller or larger than others). The reviewers aren’t getting paid off any more than the lady at the DMV you pay your car registration to
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ManaByte
Member
Fucking retards:
ktla.com
Car drives through Newhall COVID vaccine clinic, strikes worker
A car drove through a Newhall vaccine clinic Saturday, knocking over displays and injuring a worker, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. The car began knocking over sign…
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Fox Mulder
Member
Like why do I even have to wear masks again to primarily protect the kind of people taking horse worm medicine instead of a vaccine.
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Deleted member 1159
Unconfirmed Member
Just asking questions!Fucking retards:
Car drives through Newhall COVID vaccine clinic, strikes worker
A car drove through a Newhall vaccine clinic Saturday, knocking over displays and injuring a worker, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. The car began knocking over sign…
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
The shortage of nurses is reaching critical levels in some places now.
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ManaByte
Member
That person literally has #ConspiracyTheories in their bio. That's a legitimate source?
Jaysen
Banned
I’ll never forget the videos of masses of angry idiots screaming at hospital workers during a pandemic that they were the real enemy. Those people subsequently suffering or dying because there arent enough of the “enemy” to treat them is just too perfect.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
A purely political decision, so that people don't doubt a vaccine that apparently doesn't prevent the spread of the virus at all.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
This is not the first time that you sound like a grade A sociopath. You need professional help.
ManaByte
Member
Going down the Zefah path, huh?
Men_in_Boxes
Banned
I wonder who their audience is? Do you think vaccine skeptics are following their Twitter in large? I don't.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Not sure what you mean, but I can change my mind if I see some compelling evidence. Coincidentally, such evidence hasn't even been gathered by the CDC.
ManaByte
Member
Are you sure you're not a Zefah alt? That's the same logic he was using.