funkygunther
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Well considering even vaccinated people can spread it I would say it is a safe assumption.
try again with data to prove your assertion
Well considering even vaccinated people can spread it I would say it is a safe assumption.
Use evidence, not assumptions.Well considering even vaccinated people can spread it I would say it is a safe assumption.
Well I have no data but you don’t have data that proves otherwise either
Well I have no data but you don’t have data that proves otherwise either
They say it's able to evade vaccines immunity. Which is true if Delta and to an extent even original recipe Covid. Mu does not appear to be uniquely more of a threat an in fact has been declining in regions where delta is dominant.Supposedly the new New variant is vaccine immune. So if the shots dont work MU may require new vaccines.
Issue is people are already getting frustrated with the current shots. Then you have all the misinfo spreading around making that worse.
We need to start figuring out how to deal with covid more efficiently so it ends up only at flu levels of harmful or less. We can't keep piecemealing this.
New study on Invermectin impact on sperm counts… significantly drops sperm count on vast majority after one treatment.
lmfao
given this new evidence I have changed my stance and strongly recommend a daily dose for all anti vaxxers.
That study is not super convincing given the sample size, but it is funny to see people similarly convinced everything is a miracle cure based on these sorts of anecdotal studies.
Admittedly…you do have pretty crappy one- liner posts, with little or no substance, that all conveniently fit your narrative with no room for nuance. I may not agree with all of his points…but I do agree on his opinion of you as a poster. Are you that smug in real life too?The most hilariously ironic post ever.
With people who actively defend antivaxxer dipshits? Yes.Admittedly…you do have pretty crappy one- liner posts, with little or no substance, that all conveniently fit your narrative with no room for nuance. I may not agree with all of his points…but I do agree on his opinion of you as a poster. Are you that smug in real life too?
Straya mateThat sounds unusual. What place is "here"?
In 2017 there were 1,255 deaths due to influenza, recording a standardised death rate of 3.9 per 100,000 persons. This is a significant increase from 2016 where 464 influenza deaths were recorded. An individual dying from influenza in 2017 was most likely to be female, aged over 75 years, have multiple co-morbidities and living in the eastern states of Australia.
Yeah there's a degree of spite if you want to put it like that. The same governments thats being pushing this so strongly, is the same government that had a city of 5 and half million people, where I live, locked down for 224 days in the last 18 months. Would I not be wrong to feel some sort of spite, knowing as previously stated that I'm highly suspicious of how this is all being reported in the msm and elsewhere. I don't think this virus, especially in this country, is nearly as bad as what it's being made out to be. I mean, see above with the flu.Your focus on perceived tribalism and blackmail is completely irrelevant to the purpose of the vaccine, and so you just sound like you're not getting it out of spite more than anything. And when you say goalposts are moving do you not think our understanding of Covid and its variants has changed at all? Why are you treating "2 weeks to flatten the curve" so dogmatically?
I have received tons of vaccines over my lifetime and get the flu shot annually. I still think there’s a lot of unknowns about COVID and it’s related vaccines. That doesn’t make me an “antivaxxer”. You are very quick to conflate things.With people who actively defend antivaxxer dipshits? Yes.
Maybe because 18-20% of all migrants test positive for Covid? Seems like a good reason to bring it up if we are all about 'shots in arms' and saftey from those dangerous unvaxxed. It is all relevant because it is all about consistency. How can I take the administrations position honestly if they are not consistent.People are actually making a big deal about this? Holy shit. Talk about distractions. Jesus.
Also….people might care too because we would like to see 1) equal application of the law, and 2)….idk, actual application of the law!Maybe because 18-20% of all migrants test positive for Covid? Seems like a good reason to bring it up if we are all about 'shots in arms' and saftey from those dangerous unvaxxed. It is all relevant because it is all about consistency. How can I take the administrations position honestly if they are not consistent.
Do you encourage others to not get the vaccine? Are you vocally anti mask? If not, you’re not who we’re talking about. The dumbshits who refuse the vaccine and also refuse to distance or mask up are actively trying to fuck people over. Fuck them. And fuck anyone who defends them. How is this so damn difficult to grasp?I have received tons of vaccines over my lifetime and get the flu shot annually. I still think there’s a lot of unknowns about COVID and it’s related vaccines. That doesn’t make me an “antivaxxer”. You are very quick to conflate things.
…but that is part (of many, most personal) of the reason that they are not getting the jab. I encourage folks to do what is best for them in their personal circumstances, likely as a doctor would recommend. The general recommendation (and for good reason) is to get the jab, but that doesn’t suit everyone’s situation…and therefore should not be forced.Do you encourage others to not get the vaccine? Are you vocally anti mask? If not, you’re not who we’re talking about. The dumbshits who refuse the vaccine and also refuse to distance or mask up are actively trying to fuck people over. Fuck them. And fuck anyone who defends them. How is this so damn difficult to grasp?
Maybe because 18-20% of all migrants test positive for Covid? Seems like a good reason to bring it up if we are all about 'shots in arms' and saftey from those dangerous unvaxxed. It is all relevant because it is all about consistency. How can I take the administrations position honestly if they are not consistent.
Maybe because 18-20% of all migrants test positive for Covid? Seems like a good reason to bring it up if we are all about 'shots in arms' and saftey from those dangerous unvaxxed. It is all relevant because it is all about consistency. How can I take the administrations position honestly if they are not consistent.
Yeah I'm sure the concern for them is genuine and sincereAlso….people might care too because we would like to see 1) equal application of the law, and 2)….idk, actual application of the law!
NI - I like you man, and respect you for who you are and what you believe in….but we can’t just cherry pick what we uphold and don’t uphold. Not just immigration either. Inconsistencies create gradual diffusion and dilution of the system.Yeah I'm sure the concern for them is genuine and sincere
NI - I like you man, and respect you for who you are and what you believe in….but we can’t just cherry pick what we uphold and don’t uphold. Not just immigration either. Inconsistencies create gradual diffusion and dilution of the system.
One is domestic policy, and the other is immigration law. They are not equal…because they are different.workers are getting tested if they arent vaccinated, migrants have to get tested even if they are vaccinated
funnily enough the law is unequal but now how you think
One is domestic policy, and the other is immigration law. They are not equal…because they are different.
And again…there is a difference between testing and vaccinating which is the point you brought up. One is tested as per an immigration vetting process, another is mandated to be vaccinated. Jen Psaki herself said immigrants are not being vaccinated. These are different things. Duecy (spelling?) did not conflate, he made the distinction between the two.and yet this whole conversation started because of a Fox News reporter conflating the two
And again…there is a difference between testing and vaccinating which is the point you brought up. One is tested as per an immigration vetting process, another is mandated to be vaccinated. Jen Psaki herself said immigrants are not being vaccinated. These are different things. Duecy (spelling?) did not conflate, he made the distinction between the two.
You are being played. They are intentionally ignoring the other part of the policy in order to make it look like there is some kind of double standard going. There isn't.And again…there is a difference between testing and vaccinating which is the point you brought up. One is tested as per an immigration vetting process, another is mandated to be vaccinated. Jen Psaki herself said immigrants are not being vaccinated. These are different things. Duecy (spelling?) did not conflate, he made the distinction between the two.
I’m not worked up, just bumping the topic along. It starts much higher than that though NI- that we are not enforcing our current laws we have in place. It’s what I said earlier, you can’t cherry pick. We’ve been trying to cherry pick our way through all kinds of issues over the years via political beliefs (right or left). A law is a law is a law…until it’s obfuscated for four years. Anyways, I’m done with immigration (respectfully)—another topic, another day. COVID is the thread.You are being played. They are intentionally ignoring the other part of the policy in order to make it look like there is some kind of double standard going. There isn't.
You getting worked up about this was exactly what was wanted when the question was asked. It's just a talking point that has been drummed up in order to distract away from the real issues being discussed.
I’m not worked up, just bumping the topic along. It starts much higher than that though NI- that we are not enforcing our current laws we have in place. It’s what I said earlier, you can’t cherry pick. We’ve been trying to cherry pick our way through all kinds of issues over the years via political beliefs (right or left). A law is a law is a law…until it’s obfuscated for four years. Anyways, I’m done with immigration (respectfully)—another topic, another day. COVID is the thread.
If illegal immigrants were given the vaccine as soon as they arrive the talking point would be how they are prioritizing their lives over Americans. Or some other twist on it.You are being played. They are intentionally ignoring the other part of the policy in order to make it look like there is some kind of double standard going. There isn't.
You getting worked up about this was exactly what was wanted when the question was asked. It's just a talking point that has been drummed up in order to distract away from the real issues being discussed.
I really don’t want to derail…but are we saying that every person coming in through the border is following immigration law, and for those that don’t meet criteria and enter, are we following up with said persons at a later date? My family farms the McCallen border, I’ve seen this play out thru the court (or lack thereof) process for years. I’m saying there hasn’t been accountability at the border for decades.What cherrypicking is going on? What laws are not being enforced?
Enlighten me.
Oh so you are just complaining about immigration. I couldn't care less about that right now. I'm talking about Covid. What is being cherrypicked and what laws are being obfuscated in direct relation to Covid and the policies that surround it.I really don’t want to derail…but are we saying that every person coming in through the border is following immigration law, and for those that don’t meet criteria and enter, are we following up with said persons at a later date? My family farms the McCallen border, I’ve seen this play out thru the court (or lack thereof) process for years. I’m saying there hasn’t been accountability at the border for decades.
Apply your 1/70,000 chance of dying to the entire human population of Earth and tell me how many dead people that gets you.
I’d say hospitals filling up is a fairly fundamental change to our society in itself. What’s your plan?Not sure if you did the math there, because it doesn't really support your case (you'd get ~114K dead, which is far less than COVID has actually killed). Regardless, the fact remains that the actual risk from COVID is not nearly large enough to justify the measures we're seeing enacted, the loss of liberty, and the fundamental changes to our society which are occurring.
I really am done after this man…it’s draining me, I’m not up for pedantic nitpicking with people on the internet. It’s not my thing. But to answer your question, the law being obfuscated is the actual ENFORCEMENT of the border security.Oh so you are just complaining about immigration. I couldn't care less about that right now. I'm talking about Covid. What is being cherrypicked and what laws are being obfuscated in direct relation to Covid and the policies that surround it.
I’d say hospitals filling up is a fairly fundamental change to our society in itself. What’s your plan?
Yeah I'm not getting into immigration nonsense. If you want to talk about Covid and it's policies then I'm all for it. That's what this whole thread is for obviously. But complaining and debating about whether or not immigration is being properly handled is a topic that took place in a section that is long dead now. Praise be. I put that kind of talk right up there with the race based nonsense that a few people have already tried to bring up in this thread and I am not going to waste time on immigration deflections. It is a quagmire of politics and opinion that just gets in the way of any reasonable and intelligent discussion.I really am done after this man…it’s draining me, I’m not up for pedantic nitpicking with people on the internet. It’s not my thing. But to answer your question, the law being obfuscated is the actual ENFORCEMENT of the border security.
Did you read the article that I linked about the vaccine mandate precedent set by the SCOTUS yet? Never heard a response from you on that unless I missed a notification. If I did then I apologize.
That’s stupid. It is 100 percent clear for whom the vaccine is good and for those it isn’t. This shouldn’t be an internal debate. That’s utterly ridiculous.…but that is part (of many, most personal) of the reason that they are not getting the jab. I encourage folks to do what is best for them in their personal circumstances, likely as a doctor would recommend. The general recommendation (and for good reason) is to get the jab, but that doesn’t suit everyone’s situation…and therefore should not be forced.
I am for the vaccine, but also for a persons right to choose what is best for them.
Yeah we get it, you’re desperate to politicize an international health crisis.Wow, this administration is just NEXT LEVEL crazy. EDIT: Referring more to her complete avoidance of the question and flippant manner rather than the larger issue, though there is definitely rank hypocrisy there as well.
But you know that person 100% well enough to decide it’s “good for them”? Because if you don’t, then it’s still a personal issue.That’s stupid. It is 100 percent clear for whom the vaccine is good and for those it isn’t. This shouldn’t be an internal debate. That’s utterly ridiculous.