Has any government actually made the vaccine mandatory?
what is this in reference to?
the problem here is that although you perceive these "selfish children" to be anti-science, I'm pretty sure they aren't. They're just distrustful of the medical establishment. It's probably smart to keep in mind that medical professionals and pharmaceutical companies play an extremely dubious, if not downright criminal role in the current opiate crisis in the US. A skeptical attitude towards any info coming out of them is warranted IMHO.
I do agree that mask wearing is a pretty dumb hill to die on.
Let’s keep this in perspective. If that’s 100% accurate, we are talking about 4 million dead. That’s 0.3% of their population. That’s 3 deaths for every 1000 people. A massive number. But when dealing with India, all numbers are massive. If the reported numbers were even close to accurate, we would require an explanation for how a country with as much population density and poverty as India was able to fair so incredibly well.
India’s true pandemic death toll is likely to be well over 3 million, a new study finds. (Published 2021)
A comprehensive effort to estimate excess deaths in the country during the pandemic produced figures 10 times the government’s official coronavirus toll.www.nytimes.com
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Vatican City? The old "new atheist" in me has to laugh, really putting a lot of faith in power of prayer there!
Yes, they (you) aren't anti-science. They're just indifferent to it when political ideology conflicts with low science literacy. Re the opioid crisis -> vaccine distrust that argument is so vague you could make it about anything, including global warming. The details actually matter. Conditional, informed trust is rational, not an insidious "they". Im reminded of that dril tweet:
abcnews.go.com
www.pbs.org
I'd argue that trust is never rational. Trust is a feeling, basically one of the irreducible qualia that furnish our conscious experience. You can rationalize it post-hoc, but really if you are honest a state of trust is never arrived at by a deliberative or deductive process, the foundation is almost always experiential. The argument about global warming is low quality, there are obvious parallels between distrust of medical authority caused by bad experiences with family or friends getting addicted to prescribed painkillers, and distrust of the same medical authority regarding vaccines now. The unfortunate reality is you cannot create trust as easily as you can destroy it.
is correlated with vaccine hesitancy you wanted to say? Well I agree with the conclusion of that article at least:
but note that this is about vaccine hesitancy regarding tried-and-tested vaccines for kids. Not about our current situation, which is different. Still, the article points the finger at the right people.
Don't have time right now to watch this, but seems interesting, I might watch it later and comment. I'd say that most political protests are motivated by anger and thus carry within them a version of 'chaos-seeking', nihilistic, destructive tendencies. Although it's never pretty, it sometimes is necessary to 'sway' the powers that be.
this last article is also about vaccine hesitancy regarding tried and tested vaccines for kids, and thus the findings should not be extrapolated to the current situation. Other than that, it also represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the problem:
Trust is not built through education. Trust is built through trustworthy behaviour. Pharmaceutical companies and medical professionals have fallen woefully short of this yardstick in recent times, and are thus reaping the bitter fruits of their own shenanigans. Fix it by publicly apologizing and paying reperations for missteps like the opioid crisis, not by calling people idiots for not trusting you.
Did I say they wouldn’t benefit them? I didn’t. I said they feel the vaccines wouldn’t benefit them. At least not to the degree that they care enough to get the shots. And for people under 30, they have a decent argument, unless they’re significantly unhealthy to begin with. Your risk from covid as a marginally healthy 20-something or even 30-something is very very low.
And therein lies the problem. People don’t take medicine to help other people. They take it to help themselves. That’s just the nature of self interest. You have to explain to people why it benefits them. And if they start imposing restrictions back on vaccinated people, you remove literally all incentive for people who don’t feel covid is a personal threat to them.
Especially as the rollout for that age group hasn’t been going on for that long.
and an excellent uptake of the vaccine so far for that age group. I’m sure it’ll continue.
Yeah. Statistically this just isn’t significant. The amount of healthy people under 30 dying of covid is extraordinarily low. Long covid is an amalgamation of random, self reported symptoms. How much of it is real and how much of it is psychosomatic is yet to be determined. Until we have actual scientific explanation for how and why covid could be causing these wide variety of problems in various people, I’m not going to take it especially seriously and neither is anyone else. The list of 200 symptoms is just laughably broad and ridiculous.
Because they have determined it is in their interest to do so. I’m not sure why you’d believe it is any other reason.
I’m not sure why you’re confused. These are all risk calculations individual people make for themselves. I had to edit because, as you seem apt to do, you are attributing words to me that I never said. I didn’t say covid was no danger to young people. I said it was a very small danger. Which it is, statistically.
No one ever argued otherwise. You have the propensity to build up arguments in your head. It’s a bad habit. Try to focus on what people are actually saying.Ah, gotcha. So young people - despite knowing that there is only a small risk to them from covid - are still getting vaccinated.
Very sensible of them, because the vaccine is perfectly safe, and they are safer from covid having had it.
Glad we've established that
I guarantee that at least 80% of the people dying from any variant continue to be obese. But no one wants to address the Tess Holiday in the room.
You really can’t help yourself.
The only “argument” you feel you won is the argument that played out almost entirely with your imagination.
France just made it mandatory for health care workers, other governments are actively pursuing this, too. Regardless of your stance on vaccination, you should never surrender your right to refuse a medical procedure. This goes against the Nuremberg Code, which was agreed to by most civilized nations. The concerns over the continued acceding of power and authority to the government is real, as once surrendered, it cannot be walked back. A person should always have the right to medical sovereignty, full stop. Sure, you can ask people to get regularly tested, wear a mask, socially distance themselves—reasonable measures—but forcing them to get vaccinated when we’ve already achieved herd immunity or are near so in many regions seems excessive and pointless.
www.france24.com
Good luck with that internal monologue you’re battling.
And good luck with your complete inability to acknowledge that maybe your opinion isn't always correct
I agree with this stance - it’s perfectly feasible young people might not see Covid as a risk for them and will get vaccinated only due to annoyance related to e.g. activities requiring vaccination or a negative test.
Are you talking about France? Because we are nowhere near herd immunity, even in the two highest age groups 65-75 and 75+ we are at approx. 80% totally vaccinated.
