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[IntentionalPun]

”Masks for the general public won’t help much in terms of contracting the virus,”
Your selective quoting is really doing wonders in terms of derailing this thread, but please, continue. Show me more of how you can’t read

But I mean.. the ENTIRE POINT is nobody knows who has it.

I don't see how your statement accounts for that... and in fact it completely ignores it and says "don't know how much that will help."

Anyways...

 

[poppabk]

I dunno this doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

So how much would infections drop if people are wearing masks like these? If everybody is wearing cotton bandannas is it still just as effective, or do they have to be legit masks?
The study also seems to be using its assumption of effectiveness based on the state of coronavirus in countries with mask wearing cultures, like korea and Japan. But this ignores the fact that other respiratory illnesses, like influenza, have no trouble spreading in these countries. There are other factors that could be at play here. For example perhaps the coronavirus was in countries like the US or Italy much earlier than thought, which is why it was able to reach the level of spread it had before actions were implemented. Maybe korea's early and extensive response was what helped keep the situation under control.
The study also says that mass mask wearing was only effective if implemented by day 50 of the outbreak, which I think many places are past by now.

Yeah I take the studies conclusions with a large grain of salt. There was a recent journal article that showed that a lot of home made masks are very ineffective, one made from a t-shirt stopped 1% of viral particles. The most interesting thing is the second part of the paper where they are modelling in more detail. It shows that there are 'tipping' points where things get out of control. I wish they had looked at more scenarios using these models.

 

[Mistake]

But I mean.. the ENTIRE POINT is nobody knows who has it.

I don't see how your statement accounts for that... and in fact it completely ignores it and says "don't know how much that will help."

Anyways...

Yeah, I use these special things called commas, that link things together and form a sentence. Maybe you should try reading things from start to finish, instead of arguing with posters that agree with you.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Yeah, I use these special things called commas, that link things together and form a sentence. Maybe you should try reading things from start to finish, instead of arguing with posters that agree with you.

Masks for the general public is PRECISELY what we need, regardless of what you claim you meant by your post.

So yes, they will help.. a lot.

 

[cryptoadam]

I dunno this doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

So how much would infections drop if people are wearing masks like these? If everybody is wearing cotton bandannas is it still just as effective, or do they have to be legit masks?
The study also seems to be using its assumption of effectiveness based on the state of coronavirus in countries with mask wearing cultures, like korea and Japan. But this ignores the fact that other respiratory illnesses, like influenza, have no trouble spreading in these countries. There are other factors that could be at play here. For example perhaps the coronavirus was in countries like the US or Italy much earlier than thought, which is why it was able to reach the level of spread it had before actions were implemented. Maybe korea's early and extensive response was what helped keep the situation under control.
The study also says that mass mask wearing was only effective if implemented by day 50 of the outbreak, which I think many places are past by now.

Look at it this way. We closed schools and destroyed kids education. We closed business's and ruined people financially. We locked people in their homes pushing them towards abuse, drugs, and suicides. But putting on a 1$ mask for the few hours a day you are outside well thats the line we can't cross. Does that really make any sense at all?

Oh and everything we did was based on junk science that has been proven to be wrong, and pushed by a guy who couldn't keep his cock in his pant even though he made these models that predicted millions of deaths. But now we gotta play semantics with %'s and cotton or surgeical masks etc...

We should get Neil to make a model that show Millions will die if we don't wear masks, and I am sure then we will see all governments force mask wearing. Lets just ask him if he is done banging his mistress if he has a few mins to come up with one of his fake and inacurate models.

 

[HellforLeather]

I have a guy I know in my town who is a lawyer and wont stop preaching how hes not wearing a mask because its against the law to make him. I am so fucking sick of it, I want it to just pass legal process to make him fucking wear it and shut the fuck up

Somewhere along the lines a significant number of Americans started interpreting our freedom as coming with zero social responsibility to their fellow Americans. There is no law requiring masks and I think most of us would prefer to keep it that way, so people should try not to be fucking twats and wear one when they go anywhere there is likely to be big groups of people so, you know, you reduce potentially harm your fellow countrymen.

 

[Sakura]

Look at it this way. We closed schools and destroyed kids education. We closed business's and ruined people financially. We locked people in their homes pushing them towards abuse, drugs, and suicides. But putting on a 1$ mask for the few hours a day you are outside well thats the line we can't cross. Does that really make any sense at all?

Oh and everything we did was based on junk science that has been proven to be wrong, and pushed by a guy who couldn't keep his cock in his pant even though he made these models that predicted millions of deaths. But now we gotta play semantics with %'s and cotton or surgeical masks etc...

We should get Neil to make a model that show Millions will die if we don't wear masks, and I am sure then we will see all governments force mask wearing. Lets just ask him if he is done banging his mistress if he has a few mins to come up with one of his fake and inacurate models.

Hey bro I wear a mask everytime I go outside.
All I'm saying is I don't think this is a very good study. There are a lot of questions I have regarding masks, and none of these studies seem to do a very good job of answering them.

 

[Moogle11]

Yeah I take the studies conclusions with a large grain of salt. There was a recent journal article that showed that a lot of home made masks are very ineffective, one made from a t-shirt stopped 1% of viral particles. The most interesting thing is the second part of the paper where they are modelling in more detail. It shows that there are 'tipping' points where things get out of control. I wish they had looked at more scenarios using these models.

Where they help is for contagious people the particles are often in globules of mucus, saliva etc. Even a t-shirt mask will stop a lot of that from flying out when someone sneezes, coughs, clears their throat etc. Yes, it won't do much to keep the individual wearing it from breathing in a purely airborne, tiny virus. But it reduces the odds of them spreading it to others if they have it, so we should all be wearing whatever face covering we can get.

Also, at least in the US, better masks seem to bet getting less scares--not the N95 that should be reserved for medical people etc. of course. But I've seen the regular disposable medical masks pretty readily available from some random online places. I bought two 25 packs from Monoprice (mostly sell cables, adapaters etc.) last week.

 

[Djau]

Somewhere along the lines a significant number of Americans started interpreting our freedom as coming with zero social responsibility to their fellow Americans. There is no law requiring masks and I think most of us would prefer to keep it that way, so people should try not to be fucking twats and wear one when they go anywhere there is likely to be big groups of people so, you know, you potentially harm your fellow countrymen.

Its a cult.

 

[Mistake]

You guys ever get the strong urge to cough vehemently in someone’s personal space? I’m getting that right about now

 

[ManaByte]

Its a cult.

Coming from the guy preaching complete government control over everything.

 

[poppabk]

Where they help is for contagious people the particles are often in globules of mucus, saliva etc. Even a t-shirt mask will stop a lot of that from flying out when someone sneezes, coughs, clears their throat etc. Yes, it won't do much to keep the individual wearing it from breathing in a purely airborne, tiny virus. But it reduces the odds of them spreading it to others if they have it, so we should all be wearing whatever face covering we can get.

Also, at least in the US, better masks seem to bet getting less scares--not the N95 that should be reserved for medical people etc. of course. But I've seen the regular disposable medical masks pretty readily available from some random online places. I bought two 25 packs from Monoprice (mostly sell cables, adapaters etc.) last week.

What the modelling shows is that there are certain tipping points where interventions like masks have no effect. I would be interested to see where that tipping point is if you give everyone really crappy masks. At a certain effectiveness of mask I think it wouldn't matter if everyone was wearing one.

 

[TheSadRanger]

I was at a restaurant the other day and Covid "It's just allergies" Karen was hacking up a storm after she had probably come from a Nurgle's blessing party. See other people hacking it up in the grocery store without masks.

While our opinions may differ on this greatly, shouldn't we mostly agree that people don't need to be hacking it up in places without a mask.

We're fucking screwed lol

 

[Super Mario]

Remember when they were telling us to not wear masks?

It used to be that wearing a mask could spread it more. Now apparently, you are saving lives if you put a piece of cloth over your mouth.

It's like protecting a plutonium rod with a condom

 

[Eiknarf]

If masks work then why didn’t we give them to prisoners instead of releasing them?

 

[cryptoadam]

If masks work then why didn’t we give them to prisoners instead of releasing them?

They needed room for all the hair salon and gym owners. You really think its fair to keep good hearted criminals in prison during a time like this? The real dangers to society are the small business owners. Druggies, rapist, thiefs what really did they do to deserve being in jail during this pandemic? Would a member of the crips or MS-13 really be safe in jail with a hair salon owner? Probably not.

 

[GAMETA]

Masks are now mandatory in my state. Most people are adhering and, although new cases numbers are rising, we're at a much slower rate than other states.

 

[zeioIIDX]

WTF? I've been told to wear a mask, then I've been told "Hey, masks are useless actually!", then I've been told "Only wear a mask if you're a healthcare worker or you actually have COVID-19". Now I'm being told everyone really should be wearing one. Well fuck it. I've been wearing masks this entire time because as a former military medical lab tech, I know just how easy it is for infectious diseases to spread and I have an 11 year old daughter to protect and think about as well. I've been wearing a mask at work when literally nobody else wants to wear one in the office and they treat me like I'm a goddamn idiot for wearing it. I don't know what to believe at this point but shit, as long as I'm taking precaution when removing the mask, I feel like wearing it does more good than anything. I'll just keep wearing a mask, washing my hands, staying home as much as possible. Mississippi wants to start opening up every fucking thing today though, as if the virus is gone or something. Fuck that. Don't have a source but I heard yesterday or this morning that cases of COVID-19 have not even decreased at all in this state so...why exactly are we opening stuff up again like things are back to normal?

 

[Techies]

It is a concise statement of Isaac Newton's Second Law of Motion, holding both the proportions and vectors of the Second Law. It translates as: The net force on an object is equal to the mass of the object multiplied by the acceleration of the object. ... Force equals mass times acceleration.

Droplets are confined to the laws of physics. If you wear a mask and cough, the virus is most likely to end up at the outside of the mask and it won't travel as far.

The biggest problem I see is aerosol from speech/singing in confined rooms for long periods.

 

[Ornlu]

I was at a restaurant the other day and Covid "It's just allergies" Karen was hacking up a storm after she had probably come from a Nurgle's blessing party. See other people hacking it up in the grocery store without masks.

While our opinions may differ on this greatly, shouldn't we mostly agree that people don't need to be hacking it up in places without a mask.

We're fucking screwed lol

Fuckin grandpa Nurgle strikes again!

WTF? I've been told to wear a mask, then I've been told "Hey, masks are useless actually!", then I've been told "Only wear a mask if you're a healthcare worker or you actually have COVID-19". Now I'm being told everyone really should be wearing one. Well fuck it. I've been wearing masks this entire time because as a former military medical lab tech, I know just how easy it is for infectious diseases to spread and I have an 11 year old daughter to protect and think about as well. I've been wearing a mask at work when literally nobody else wants to wear one in the office and they treat me like I'm a goddamn idiot for wearing it. I don't know what to believe at this point but shit, as long as I'm taking precaution when removing the mask, I feel like wearing it does more good than anything. I'll just keep wearing a mask, washing my hands, staying home as much as possible. Mississippi wants to start opening up every fucking thing today though, as if the virus is gone or something. Fuck that. Don't have a source but I heard yesterday or this morning that cases of COVID-19 have not even decreased at all in this state so...why exactly are we opening stuff up again like things are back to normal?

Well, if it helps your peace of mind, your daughter should be fine whether she gets this virus or not; it doesn't seem to be particularly harmful to the young.

You know your own situation best, though. Mask up if you deem it necessary.

 

[cryptoadam]

Just imagine if we had the same debate over washing your hands. Or people who refused to wash their hands with a little spritz of purell before going into the grocery store.

Guys I don't believe washing hands prevents the virus, and its kinda pointless because if you don't wash your hands properly the virus could still be on your hands. It gives a false sense of security. The truth is we are all too stupid to effectively wash our hands and we need to keep the purell for the front line workers.

Just wear a mask when you go out. If you are in a park or alone I don't think its usefull, but if you are in a crowd or in a store or something wear a mask. CDC says it doesn't really spread from surfaces, Chinese studies showed that like its rarely spread outside in the open. So best deduction is the virus is spreading when people are inside spitting droplets at each other.

 

[DeepBreath87]

I'm willing to wear a mask where its feasible and makes sense. I'm not wearing one outside unless I'm going to be really close to people for a long period of time, a concert or something. And whenever my gym opens back up, I'll try to wear one. We'll see how it goes. But I'll do it in stores and whatnot.

 

[Hulk_Smash]

There is a scene in the movie, "We Were Soldiers" where Sgt. Major Basil L. Plumley, is asked by Mel Gibson's character why he won't go into battle with an M16. He says he doesn't trust them. They have plastic parts. "Besides, by the time I need one, they'll be plenty of dead bodies around me with M16s strapped to them for to choose from."

That's exactly how I feel about wearing a mask.

 

[Taxexemption]

I says you got's an immune system, you use it or you lose it. I'mma use my immune system, I have a constitutional right to do that. If there were "Let's catch Corona parties" I think I'd go.

 

[Stouffers]

Masks are now mandatory in my state. Most people are adhering and, although new cases numbers are rising, we're at a much slower rate than other states.

There’s no law to wear a mask anywhere in the US.

 

[Susurrus]

There’s no law to wear a mask anywhere in the US.

Some states currently have laws to wear masks if you go in buildings such as stores, restaurants (even to pick up to go), or other situations where you can't maintain. I know Maryland and DC both do. When I go to Virginia and it isn't required, I do anyway, and it feels weird when people don't now.

 

[Stouffers]

Some states currently have laws to wear masks if you go in buildings such as stores, restaurants (even to pick up to go), or other situations where you can't maintain. I know Maryland and DC both do. When I go to Virginia and it isn't required, I do anyway, and it feels weird when people don't now.

Are they actual laws or orders? Two very different things.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Glad I had an N95 due to doing driveway cuts at my job. But I never dispose of it I just keep using the same one. Hopefully that doesn't defeat the whole point

 

[GAMETA]

There’s no law to wear a mask anywhere in the US.

I live in Brazil, not in the US.

In my city (which is a state capital) you cannot enter any building (store, residential, government, any) without a mask, if you insist, security is allowed to take action and you can be arrested. I'm not sure how the rest of the state is doing in that regard, but at least here it seems to be working.

According to "protocol", you are supposed to use a mask anytime you're in the street as well, but there's always those that won't (which really makes me wanna punch them in the face)

The virus is spreading like crazy in some states, Brazil will soon surpass the US in number of cases. Mine, to the south and where it's considerably colder, has one of the slowest transmission/infection rates. It's still rising, but a lot slower, especially considering the population density.

Strong indicative that the masks are making a huge difference.

 

[spootime]

there's a very direct correlation between (a) not wearing a mask in public and (b) body fat percentage / (c) owning 50+ funko pops