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[M1chl]

I don't mean to sound insulting because I understand the dicey situation everyone finds themselves in, but know that saying about how some people are walking around with a tattoo of the word 'stupid' on their forehead? The masks are that tattoo.

Almost everyone's in the same boat so it's not like I don't understand where people are coming from when they say "it's just a mask." If your boss says wear the mask then you'll do it. If shop owners refuse to serve you unless you wear a mask then you'll wear it. Losing a job, being barred from all shops or getting fined for not wearing a mask is a step too far for most, but I think the media, doctors and politicians have done us a great disservice by spreading so much confusion and the issue needs to be straightened out. We aren't wearing masks in public spaces because they mitigate the spread, we're wearing them because we're no longer given much of a choice and we have only ourselves to blame for that.

Politicians were in the dark early on, they were relying on China, the WHO and the early models, a hat-trick of doom. By the time this mess got rolling the sensationalist reporting and fearmongering from major media outlets and "the experts" had already screwed us over, people were in panic mode, states of emergency went up and countries simply started falling in line with what they saw out of China, minus the welding and kidnappings. We even liked their censorship so much we tried to copy that, too.

The case/death counters were ticking up every day and the anxiety along with it, it was palpable. It took weeks before the activists posing as reporters succeeded, but they got the premiere here in Quebec to buckle under pressure and make masks mandatory in public transit. They repeated that onslaught of "questioning"/pressuring for masks in indoor spaces, succeeded again, and then started on outdoor masks for no other reason than because other countries adopted it - whether they were working or not seemed irrelevant (hello, France).

Long story short, fear fed to us by grossly irresponsible media coverage along with financially/politically-motivated doctors and politicians eager to hang onto their jobs is what gave us masks. They can repeat the claim all they want, but it wasn't a scientifically-backed decision. I challenged people to find me a single health official or politician around the world that cited at least one convincing study to support it and no one could. There is, however, plenty of evidence to the contrary - that masks in public do very little, nothing or maybe even harm - and it comes straight from the doctors, scientists and studies the mask acolytes keep pretending they're following. Funny how that works.

That masks are little more than a signal is, no joke, written in the very studies that analyzed their effectiveness against communicable diseases like the flu. They're merely saying that the person may adhere to better hygiene than someone who does not. That's not all they're signaling, though. If we're being honest I think we all know there are a lot of people with a great deal of money riding on this pandemic and what better way to gauge a market of 7.8 billion than public acceptance of masks?

Is it so hard to wear mask, you already wear the clothes, I don't think it's that much of freedom breaker. Because despite conspirational theories, Covid is real. And since so far there is not vaccination, then I think it's a small price to pay by wearing mask. If you ever had a pneumonia, you know what kind of hell is that.

 

[Joe T.]

Is it so hard to wear mask, you already wear the clothes, I don't think it's that much of freedom breaker. Because despite conspirational theories, Covid is real. And since so far there is not vaccination, then I think it's a small price to pay by wearing mask. If you ever had a pneumonia, you know what kind of hell is that.

Whether or not it's hard is completely irrelevant. There are millions of things that aren't hard to do, that alone shouldn't be the bar we set when forcing such measures onto everyone. The entire point of public mask adoption was to mitigate the spread of the virus, if they don't do that by any measurable degree then what's the point?

 

[M1chl]

Whether or not it's hard is completely irrelevant. There are millions of things that aren't hard to do, that alone shouldn't be the bar we set when forcing such measures onto everyone. The entire point of public mask adoption was to mitigate the spread of the virus, if they don't do that by any measurable degree then what's the point?

Except they do that, we have mandatory masks in here and it worked, after that they said "fuck that" and since then we have steady grow of infected people. It's obviously people's fault and government does not do anything. Back 5 days we had a largest spike since the benning of the pandemic.

 

[DeliciousDoc]

Not sure why people get so offended to wearing masks. Its like a 3 year old throwing a tantrum.

If it doesn't work you lose nothing. If it does you can help by not spreading a disease we have no cure for.

People have been wearing masks in asia for a long time and no one died of embarassment or whatever your excuse is. I see people who I never saw without a mask and they look uglier than my mind had mentally mapped their face when they take off their mask. It hides your fat nose, overbite or testicule chin.

If it's a cost thing I can understand. However, the prices are starting to go back down.

 

[Joe T.]

Except they do that, we have mandatory masks in here and it worked, after that they said "fuck that" and since then we have steady grow of infected people. It's obviously people's fault and government does not do anything. Back 5 days we had a largest spike since the benning of the pandemic.

By "here" do you mean the country as a whole? How can you possibly surmise that it was masks that prevented the rise in cases?

You're too quick to blame your countrymen/women, you have no way of knowing any of them did anything wrong. A quick look up of the situation there doesn't sound half as bad as the news makes it sound, which is to be expected. Story's two days old from Expats.cz, but:

The percentage of COVID-19 that require hospitalization has remained stable at 2.6%, however, after hitting highs of around 10% during the previous height of the epidemic in April and May. Most of the new reported cases have shown only mild symptoms of the disease, or no symptoms at all.

 

[M1chl]

By "here" do you mean the country as a whole? How can you possibly surmise that it was masks that prevented the rise in cases?

You're too quick to blame your countrymen/women, you have no way of knowing any of them did anything wrong. A quick look up of the situation there doesn't sound half as bad as the news makes it sound, which is to be expected. Story's two days old from Expats.cz, but:

Yeah sure, it's changing in hospitalization segment, however in my case, that person who was there with me, is on ICU, so maybe that kind of cloud my vision. However I think with these spikes, it's better to wear the mask. As you might tell from OP I am in the "endagered group", so I am not taking any chances. I think it should be like a common solidarity towards other people in you surroundings to wear the mask at least when there is a spike. It's just me maybe, but I think it's a right thing to do.

 

[Kev Kev]

im not going to keep wearing this fucking thing for the next thirty years.

were going to have to get to a point where people are aloud to live like normal fucking humans again, and people who are at higher risk or are being cautious will have to keep wearing masks for themselves, or just stay home. but something needs to happen before the end of the year.

come 2021 im taking this fucking mask off

 

[Elektro Demon]

Yeah, I'm not wearing a mask. If the mortality rate of the virus was 30 percent, then I'd be wearing a mask.
People who are at a higher risk, they should wear a mask and leave the rest of the normal people to continue with their lives.

 

[M1chl]

Yeah, I'm not wearing a mask. If the mortality rate of the virus was 30 percent, then I'd be wearing a mask.
People who are at a higher risk, they should wear a mask and leave the rest of the normal people to continue with their lives.

Even healthy people can spread that shit, that is my point. It's about solidarity, but I do understand that for Slavs solidarity is pretty alien concept : D

 

[bucyou]

English doesnt seem like your first language, so to summarize, you went to the hospital, and then were informed someone at the hospital had covid?

Your experience has zero relation to mask wearing.

 

[M1chl]

English doesnt seem like your first language, so to summarize, you went to the hospital, and then were informed someone at the hospital had covid?

Your experience has zero relation to mask wearing.

No it isn't, I mean language. Yes I went to the hospital, some memebr of the staf was infected, I wore a mask, gloves and glasses and I did not get it, another patient who was there with me (just by accident or same schedule rather) got it and she is now on ICU. I don't have strong immunity, so my protective equipment saved me. I am not sure how there isn't any relation between my mask wearing and not getting infected.

Ps: I am writing like a retard? I am still re-learning English, so ummm.... : (

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

Okay I guess I’ll give the response I’ve already given. Why stop at a pandemic? If the masks work, why not wear them all time to cut down in all diseases? Go ahead and give me your response so I can give you this as my rebuttal:

“It's not 100% solution, however if it does help to reduce spread, where is the harm.”

See? It works for everything.

Because the covid viruses spreads easier than a basic flu and or cold and quicker too. Sure we get flu seasons but when this hit north ameria in february/march it hit harder than any "flu or cold" could and would with how easy it spreads.

and sure however what I do hope we take away from this is better hygiene in general for everybody and have more hand sanitizers when we enter establishments, people was their handsmore etc

 

[jufonuk]

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

I don't mean to sound insulting because I understand the dicey situation everyone finds themselves in, but know that saying about how some people are walking around with a tattoo of the word 'stupid' on their forehead? The masks are that tattoo.

Almost everyone's in the same boat so it's not like I don't understand where people are coming from when they say "it's just a mask." If your boss says wear the mask then you'll do it. If shop owners refuse to serve you unless you wear a mask then you'll wear it. Losing a job, being barred from all shops or getting fined for not wearing a mask is a step too far for most, but I think the media, doctors and politicians have done us a great disservice by spreading so much confusion and the issue needs to be straightened out. We aren't wearing masks in public spaces because they mitigate the spread, we're wearing them because we're no longer given much of a choice and we have only ourselves to blame for that.

Politicians were in the dark early on, they were relying on China, the WHO and the early models, a hat-trick of doom. By the time this mess got rolling the sensationalist reporting and fearmongering from major media outlets and "the experts" had already screwed us over, people were in panic mode, states of emergency went up and countries simply started falling in line with what they saw out of China, minus the welding and kidnappings. We even liked their censorship so much we tried to copy that, too.

The case/death counters were ticking up every day and the anxiety along with it, it was palpable. It took weeks before the activists posing as reporters succeeded, but they got the premiere here in Quebec to buckle under pressure and make masks mandatory in public transit. They repeated that onslaught of "questioning"/pressuring for masks in indoor spaces, succeeded again, and then started on outdoor masks for no other reason than because other countries adopted it - whether they were working or not seemed irrelevant (hello, France).

Long story short, fear fed to us by grossly irresponsible media coverage along with financially/politically-motivated doctors and politicians eager to hang onto their jobs is what gave us masks. They can repeat the claim all they want, but it wasn't a scientifically-backed decision. I challenged people to find me a single health official or politician around the world that cited at least one convincing study to support it and no one could. There is, however, plenty of evidence to the contrary - that masks in public do very little, nothing or maybe even harm - and it comes straight from the doctors, scientists and studies the mask acolytes keep pretending they're following. Funny how that works.

That masks are little more than a signal is, no joke, written in the very studies that analyzed their effectiveness against communicable diseases like the flu. They're merely saying that the person may adhere to better hygiene than someone who does not. That's not all they're signaling, though. If we're being honest I think we all know there are a lot of people with a great deal of money riding on this pandemic and what better way to gauge a market of 7.8 billion than public acceptance of masks?

The only fear mongering is bullshit lile this pandering to a community about mai rights. Its been proven that masks dont 100% prevent it but ill take a highe chance of 70-80% of not getting it by people around me wearing masks and socially distancing properly than morons being close to me and on my ass without masks non stop where then there is 100% chance I get it. We can prevent the spread than why not..!?

thequicker we reduce the spread and have cases go as low as almost zero before a vaccine comes out is better for every until said vaccine is done. Also being moronic is also putting more strain on an already shitty health care situation in america hell even canada. Doctors, nurses etc are already overworked and burnt out and now you want to give them more work to do to save your dumbass if you get it...?

 

[V4skunk]

This is such a dishonest "review" of the situation, look at this shit:

France:

Spain:

Population count:
Sweden 10.23m
France 66.99m
Spain 46.94m

Density of Sweden population is really low in comparison to the other mentioned states. To draw conclusion, that "mask suck" from that is really something.

You are an idiot brainwashed by the fake news.
And the only way to stop breathing in a virus is with a nbc mask with a filter.

 

[Malakhov]

Only wear it in stores because I have to if I want to eat, my kids don't.

0 deaths yesterday, -8 hospitalised for a total of 98 hospitalised with 17 in intensive care...on a population of 8.5 millions.

Fuck them

 

[cryptoadam]

This is such a dishonest "review" of the situation, look at this shit:

France:

Spain:

Population count:
Sweden 10.23m
France 66.99m
Spain 46.94m

Density of Sweden population is really low in comparison to the other mentioned states. To draw conclusion, that "mask suck" from that is really something.

Never said mask suck. But sweden is over the virus. Do you know ho many people under the age of 50 died in Sweden?

 

[Sakura Doritos]

That's a hard no on that one mister lol. I'm a dude.

Actually, it went from a hard yes to a soft no.

 

[Malakhov]

Never said mask suck. But sweden is over the virus. Do you know ho many people under the age of 50 died in Sweden?

Don't know the numbers but probably like in Quebec. Like zero deaths under 29 and a handful every 10 years step until 50

 

[M1chl]

You are an idiot brainwashed by the fake news.
And the only way to stop breathing in a virus is with a nbc mask with a filter.

Just a thoughtful response, you must be proud.

Never said mask suck. But sweden is over the virus. Do you know ho many people under the age of 50 died in Sweden?

Sweden COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Sweden Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Seems weird way to be "over" virus.

This is from my country, which is around some population number of Sweden, with much higher population density, I take that over Sweden:

Czech Republic (Czechia) COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Czech Republic (Czechia) Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

So many tough asses in this thread it's incredible.

 

[cryptoadam]

Just a thoughtful response, you must be proud.

Sweden COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Sweden Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Seems weird way to be "over" virus.

This is from my country, which is around some population number of Sweden, with much higher population density, I take that over Sweden:

Czech Republic (Czechia) COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Czech Republic (Czechia) Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

So many tough asses in this thread it's incredible.

Wow worldometers the height of scientific analysis.

There is barely any virus in Sweden now and they are pretty much wide open aside from personal mitigation.

Again tell me how many people under 50 60 and 70 died i Sweden and then maybe you might understand their numbers.

 

[V4skunk]

Just a thoughtful response, you must be proud.

Sweden COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Sweden Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Seems weird way to be "over" virus.

This is from my country, which is around some population number of Sweden, with much higher population density, I take that over Sweden:

Czech Republic (Czechia) COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Czech Republic (Czechia) Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

So many tough asses in this thread it's incredible.

No it's just people like you are brainwashed.
Even if corona is real and deadly! Good luck protecting your self with a none carbon filtered mask.
Also the US cdc came out the other day and said only 6% of positive corona cases actually died from the virus! Giving corona something like 0.6 mortality rate lol.

 

[M1chl]

Wow worldometers the height of scientific analysis.

There is barely any virus in Sweden now and they are pretty much wide open aside from personal mitigation.

Again tell me how many people under 50 60 and 70 died i Sweden and then maybe you might understand their numbers.

I don't probably not many, but many people below 50 have undelying issues, like myself and mabye some of them don't know it. Pneumonia is really shitty stuff.

Also probably most of us have parents in 50+ category, seems like a dick move to possibly infected them and well "whatever you are old".

Also do you have some better statistic, because I take worldometeres as more reliable than you world. Saying "I haven't seen anyone infected" is some high-level thinking.

No it's just people like you are brainwashed.
Even if corona is real and deadly! Good luck protecting your self with a none carbon filtered mask.
Also the US cdc came out the other day and said only 6% of positive corona cases actually died from the virus! Giving corona something like 0.6 mortality rate lol.

So you are saying to take your chance with this disease, rather then wear some fucking mask? Alright then. I am not going to do this.

 

[V4skunk]

I don't probably not many, but many people below 50 have undelying issues, like myself and mabye some of them don't know it. Pneumonia is really shitty stuff.

Also probably most of us have parents in 50+ category, seems like a dick move to possibly infected them and well "whatever you are old".

Also do you have some better statistic, because I take worldometeres as more reliable than you world. Saying "I haven't seen anyone infected" is some high-level thinking.


So you are saying to take your chance with this disease, rather then wear some fucking mask? Alright then. I am not going to do this.

Why dont you even own military spec nbc mask if you are so worried?
You don't have a clue and are brainwashed.
You should be more worried about flu and common cold this winter.

 

[Malakhov]

So you are saying to take your chance with this disease, rather then wear some fucking mask? Alright then. I am not going to do this.

I've been exposed to it in the early stage at work since we were told not to use masks even when encountering covid patients. We had 8 units out of 12 infested with covid, it was everywhere.

I've not been wearing a mask even when they changed their mind and told us to use them, I'm still here. I got a cold late july, could of been it or not. I was camping in the woods with my kids for 2 weeks so I didn't bother doing anything about it.

Life goes on

 

[JORMBO]

I’m not sure how much they help. I feel the virus is going to be a virus and do it’s thing. I still wear mine where required. And it is not hard to wear one just in case they do help. I bought an American flag one I like the design of it is comfortable.

I only disagree with people saying to wear them everywhere. If I’m out walking my dog by myself I’m not wearing one. You even have some organizations saying to wear them on zoom calls or while having sex. No thanks.

 

[cryptoadam]

I don't probably not many, but many people below 50 have undelying issues, like myself and mabye some of them don't know it. Pneumonia is really shitty stuff.

Also probably most of us have parents in 50+ category, seems like a dick move to possibly infected them and well "whatever you are old".

Also do you have some better statistic, because I take worldometeres as more reliable than you world. Saying "I haven't seen anyone infected" is some high-level thinking.


So you are saying to take your chance with this disease, rather then wear some fucking mask? Alright then. I am not going to do this.

I never said i havent seen anyone infected i actually said my 90 year old grandma had it. Was asymptomatic and survived. My friend works in a hospital and worked directly with a COVID patient and didnt catch nor did I after seeing her every weekend.

And reading up on Czech in wiki it seems like they had a really lax lockdown where they let business stay open with some mitigation. Restirictions eased on April 17 and ended on May 11th.

You could still visit relatives go to parks stores remained open with distance sales and by march 24th shops were opening in waves.

Under the age of 50 72 people died. 80% of deaths were of people 70 and over.

No one is saying infect old people we are saying protect the old and sick and stop punishing the healthy. The virus rarely kills young healthy people so stop ruining their lives. If your old and sick take precautions and protect yourself. Everyone else is like 99.9% od survivong the virus.

 

[M1chl]

Why dont you even own military spec nbc mask if you are so worried?
You don't have a clue and are brainwashed.
You should be more worried about flu and common cold this winter.

Yes I am worried about that also, however that's something which can be vaccinated, Covid cannot be.

I never said i havent seen anyone infected i actually said my 90 year old grandma had it. Was asymptomatic and survived. My friend works in a hospital and worked directly with a COVID patient and didnt catch nor did I after seeing her every weekend.

And reading up on Czech in wiki it seems like they had a really lax lockdown where they let business stay open with some mitigation. Restirictions eased on April 17 and ended on May 11th.

You could still visit relatives go to parks stores remained open with distance sales and by march 24th shops were opening in waves.

Under the age of 50 72 people died. 80% of deaths were of people 70 and over.

No one is saying infect old people we are saying protect the old and sick and stop punishing the healthy. The virus rarely kills young healthy people so stop ruining their lives. If your old and sick take precautions and protect yourself. Everyone else is like 99.9% od survivong the virus.

Good for your grandma. Again the issue is, that I am pretty hyped up about this virus is a) I am not that "healthy young man", because I am actively eating meds to lower my immunity and b) since they made mask obsolete there was/is big spike with cases and even though lethality is 6% it's still pretty shitty disease to have.


Again I am not pro lockdown, to ruin people's livelyhood, I am just pro mask, that's all. I don't think that mask ruining anyones life.

 

[cryptoadam]

Yes I am worried about that also, however that's something which can be vaccinated, Covid cannot be.


Good for your grandma. Again the issue is, that I am pretty hyped up about this virus is a) I am not that "healthy young man", because I am actively eating meds to lower my immunity and b) since they made mask obsolete there was/is big spike with cases and even though lethality is 6% it's still pretty shitty disease to have.


Again I am not pro lockdown, to ruin people's livelyhood, I am just pro mask, that's all. I don't think that mask ruining anyones life.

I think mask do nothing but I have been wearing one since April as a courtsey. I am also immuno suppressed.

Where I live cases dropped in June 1st and have remained in the 30 to 50. Masks came online July 18th. I would wear my mask at the gorcery store and beofe then I saw like 20% masked.

Now even with masks for nearly 2 months they are threatning lock downs again.

Mask is a courtsey not to cough in peoples face and be a dick.

But then we have people like poster on here who was infected and recoverd but wears a mask to not get the virus again. Mask doesnt protect you.

Thats my issue with masks. People think its the silver bullet and will protect them so they become mask Nazis thinking they can berate people as murderers for not wearing a mask.

Truth with mask is if your not infected its useless since it prevents spreading the virus. So the only reason to wear a mask is to assume everyone has the virus and is passing it around.

 

[M1chl]

I think mask do nothing but I have been wearing one since April as a courtsey. I am also immuno suppressed.

Where I live cases dropped in June 1st and have remained in the 30 to 50. Masks came online July 18th. I would wear my mask at the gorcery store and beofe then I saw like 20% masked.

Now even with masks for nearly 2 months they are threatning lock downs again.

Mask is a courtsey not to cough in peoples face and be a dick.

But then we have people like poster on here who was infected and recoverd but wears a mask to not get the virus again. Mask doesnt protect you.

Thats my issue with masks. People think its the silver bullet and will protect them so they become mask Nazis thinking they can berate people as murderers for not wearing a mask.

Truth with mask is if your not infected its useless since it prevents spreading the virus. So the only reason to wear a mask is to assume everyone has the virus and is passing it around.

Obviously is good to have glasses as well as gloves, I kind of find my own gear. You know funny thing is that I never said, that you are fucking evil person if you don't wear mask, I just stated my experience with it and that mask and let say my protective gear, which is not exactly intrusive for the eye...it does not look retarded, to better put it. And it help me, because you know in hospital they still tell me that I am in extremely high risk, etc. I am trying to not think like that, but I am protecting myself. That girl, has Psoriasis and obviously is slightly immuno suppressed, not like me tho. And well if you live through such and experience, it kind of ticks you off. I honestly have not watch the statistic, I don't care as much, however after such experience I looked. I was just going about my life, I don't think that closing down the country do much, however mask which prevents spreading aerosol from mouths and nose seems like a good thing with minimal discomfort.

I also already have been on 5 tests and I rather wear anything, then to get my brain tingled by "stick", it hurts like motherfucker and I hate the nasal type of pain. So seemed like a good thing to do the thread.

I would never told anyone on the streets "fuck you get your mask", here is different, cause people can debate and as much as maybe my OP sounded like a command, I did not mean like that. It was written in good faith after shock of what happened. It's not virtue signalling, it happened and I don't like it.

 

[MetalAlien]

Shit I'd rather everyone get sick then we can forget this year ever happened... fuck the mask.

 

[M1chl]

Shit I'd rather everyone get sick then we can forget this year ever happened... fuck the mask.

Tough guy I see. Well good luck catching it then.

 

[Lionel Richie]

You are an idiot brainwashed by the fake news.
And the only way to stop breathing in a virus is with a nbc mask with a filter.

What is it about covid truthers in general calling others brainwashed and idiot/stupid? Is it the only viable path to join a conspiracy theory circle really to just start insulting everyone else?

 

[M1chl]

What is it about covid truthers in general calling others brainwashed and idiot/stupid? Is it the only viable path to join a conspiracy theory circle really to just start insulting everyone else?

I don't think you get any sort of intelectual response, it's fine, I can live with it : )

 

[MetalAlien]

Tough guy I see. Well good luck catching it then.

Jokes on you half the people at my job had it alreadly the other half just didn't get tested. I worked with a guy who had it for weeks and we don't wear masks in the truck... where is your god now?

 

[Hulk_Smash]

Because the covid viruses spreads easier than a basic flu and or cold and quicker too. Sure we get flu seasons but when this hit north ameria in february/march it hit harder than any "flu or cold" could and would with how easy it spreads.

and sure however what I do hope we take away from this is better hygiene in general for everybody and have more hand sanitizers when we enter establishments, people was their handsmore etc

So, you’re going to wear the mask all year round until the day you die?

 

[M1chl]

Jokes on you half the people at my job had it alreadly the other half just didn't get tested. I worked with a guy who had it for weeks and we don't wear masks in the truck... where is your god now?

I am not religious, so I have to say "nowhere" : )

 

[MetalAlien]

I am not religious, so I have to say "nowhere" : )

Oh you have a God, you are bowing to it right now.

 

[M1chl]

Oh you have a God, you are bowing to it right now.

I bow to no one, but I also don't like to take any more chances with m life, since I very fucking nearly died last year.

 

[cryptoadam]

So when is everyone in Belarus going to die?

And these type of protest have been going on for like a month now.

Belarus was one of the most anti lockdown countries in the world. The president basically said Fuck COVID. They never shut down, they had a giant 2 million person festival at the height of the pandemic.

Fuck Sweden, everyone should be looking at Belarus.

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

So, you’re going to wear the mask all year round until the day you die?

Until this virus is either under control and or theirs a vaccine. The fact you think this will be forever proves your just a fear mongering and worried about your rights when the more important thing is to keep people safe. And yes I will, especially being a teacher and interacting with thousands of kids in mt school daily I will gladly wear one and they to so they dont get anything and take it home and get their family sick especially if they or their family is vulnerable

 

[Joe T.]

Yeah sure, it's changing in hospitalization segment, however in my case, that person who was there with me, is on ICU, so maybe that kind of cloud my vision. However I think with these spikes, it's better to wear the mask. As you might tell from OP I am in the "endagered group", so I am not taking any chances. I think it should be like a common solidarity towards other people in you surroundings to wear the mask at least when there is a spike. It's just me maybe, but I think it's a right thing to do.

I sympathize with your position because of the elevated risk. I've got a really large Italian family both here in North America and back in Italy, relatives that recovered from cancer and those in the 70+ age range that don't want to risk catching this (those in Italy much less worried than those here in Canada, interestingly enough). I've also got a brother and friends who are suffering financially because of government measures and the fear most have to gather in large groups, they've worked decades setting up concerts and big events, their company at risk of going under if things don't start to bounce back soon.

I've come at this from a very different position than you have, in case it doesn't show. I had an extremely low opinion of the news media and their pandemic coverage continues lowering it further. Watching my dad, with all his health issues, come out the other side of this virus looking better than before (aside from the psychological toll of isolation) had me questioning the severity of the virus. I suspected I might have caught it in early March via my friend's kids, but that wasn't enough so I went looking to get infected last month (dad still had one infected person at his long term care facility, mom started coughing like crazy after multiple visits). Turns out when it hit me it was little more than a slightly sore throat and a trivial headache that came, went and came again over the course of 2-3 days, blood sugar elevated as is usually the case when my body is fighting a cold (type 1 diabetic).

The only person I know that got hit hard is a cousin's friend who was apparently in the ER a few days and was told he had some lung scarring, though I haven't seen him in years and don't know the details. My cousin tested positive after hanging out with him, he was asymptomatic.

The "virus gonna virus" crowd has it right, you can see this by looking at the countries that got the highest praise for the way they handled this pandemic. Their extreme measures didn't stop it. Lockdowns didn't stop it. Social distancing didn't stop it. Face masks didn't stop it. Increased hand washing didn't stop it. Forcing travelers to isolate didn't stop it. Even a vaccine won't stop it, this virus is likely with us for the long haul same as the first coronavirus. So what are we doing?

The goal was to make sure hospitals don't get overwhelmed. We did that. Life should have returned to normal over the summer in a lot of places, it was a perfect opportunity to test the system with an off/on switch approach. If the result lead to another large number of hospitalizations then we could have easily clamped down again and it would have convinced the doubters that maybe we do need to take this more seriously or that this really isn't as serious as we made it out to be. Missed opportunity. I think the answer and even the experiment itself scares the people with the most to gain - not the politicians.

I keep bringing this up, but notice how much (unjustified) criticism is thrown Sweden's way? There's a reason for that and it's not because they're performing poorly.

"We're all in this together" sounds nice, but it might be the biggest lie of them all. Would have been nice if at least the "experts" were all in this together since, you know, facts are stubborn things.

 

[Kev Kev]

M1chl , serious question, not being sarcastic athough it might sound like it, i promise im not...

so, when do you plan on taking off the mask? is it all about numbers for you? is there a threshold/lower number of deaths you want to see before youre willing to take it off? if so, what is that specific number? are you just waiting for the media to tell you? are you just going to wait for everyone else to stop wearing them? something else?

additionally, whichever reason you choose, please explain why you choose that.

im curious about what the plan is for people with your mindset

 

[M1chl]

M1chl , serious question, not being sarcastic athough it might sound like it, i promise im not...

so, when do you plan on taking off the mask? is it all about numbers for you? is there a threshold/lower number of deaths you want to see before youre willing to take it off? if so, what is that specific number? are you just waiting for the media to tell you? are you just going to wait for everyone else to stop wearing them? something else?

additionally, whichever reason you choose, please explain why you choose that.

im curious about what the plan is for people with your mindset

That is an easy answer, I fully depend on the what they told me in the transplant hospital, since it's pretty high profile instance with their own research team. I am not sure when it is going to be, however like I said I am not taking any chances. I was kind of schooled by last year. So maybe I am naive with all of this, but I kinda of want people to stay safe, with me being disadvantaged with all of this.

 

[M1chl]

I sympathize with your position because of the elevated risk. I've got a really large Italian family both here in North America and back in Italy, relatives that recovered from cancer and those in the 70+ age range that don't want to risk catching this (those in Italy much less worried than those here in Canada, interestingly enough). I've also got a brother and friends who are suffering financially because of government measures and the fear most have to gather in large groups, they've worked decades setting up concerts and big events, their company at risk of going under if things don't start to bounce back soon.

I've come at this from a very different position than you have, in case it doesn't show. I had an extremely low opinion of the news media and their pandemic coverage continues lowering it further. Watching my dad, with all his health issues, come out the other side of this virus looking better than before (aside from the psychological toll of isolation) had me questioning the severity of the virus. I suspected I might have caught it in early March via my friend's kids, but that wasn't enough so I went looking to get infected last month (dad still had one infected person at his long term care facility, mom started coughing like crazy after multiple visits). Turns out when it hit me it was little more than a slightly sore throat and a trivial headache that came, went and came again over the course of 2-3 days, blood sugar elevated as is usually the case when my body is fighting a cold (type 1 diabetic).

The only person I know that got hit hard is a cousin's friend who was apparently in the ER a few days and was told he had some lung scarring, though I haven't seen him in years and don't know the details. My cousin tested positive after hanging out with him, he was asymptomatic.

The "virus gonna virus" crowd has it right, you can see this by looking at the countries that got the highest praise for the way they handled this pandemic. Their extreme measures didn't stop it. Lockdowns didn't stop it. Social distancing didn't stop it. Face masks didn't stop it. Increased hand washing didn't stop it. Forcing travelers to isolate didn't stop it. Even a vaccine won't stop it, this virus is likely with us for the long haul same as the first coronavirus. So what are we doing?

The goal was to make sure hospitals don't get overwhelmed. We did that. Life should have returned to normal over the summer in a lot of places, it was a perfect opportunity to test the system with an off/on switch approach. If the result lead to another large number of hospitalizations then we could have easily clamped down again and it would have convinced the doubters that maybe we do need to take this more seriously or that this really isn't as serious as we made it out to be. Missed opportunity. I think the answer and even the experiment itself scares the people with the most to gain - not the politicians.

I keep bringing this up, but notice how much (unjustified) criticism is thrown Sweden's way? There's a reason for that and it's not because they're performing poorly.


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"We're all in this together" sounds nice, but it might be the biggest lie of them all. Would have been nice if at least the "experts" were all in this together since, you know, facts are stubborn things.

I did not Criticize Sweden, I was talking about UK, where the situation wasn't nice, not long time ago I read the post, that Johnson still have issues after his recovery nad I don't think that it was responsible thing to do, because density of the population in UK is pretty high, it's not like Sweden.

And as much as I appreciate skepticism, if I look at our numbers (which is something which interest me the most), those measure worked, but if you do some measures and then you drop them, than obviously looking back, those measures were useless. I think as far as what we have, mask are really not that evil to wear, they are at best mild inconvenience and if they are effective for 10% of situation....good. It's better than nothing.

I did not say, shut it all down, I never say anything like, I am in the crowd, that show must go on, people have to work and have means to provide for they families. I am by no means in favor of lockdowns, just to be clear. But I think that mask even as a non-perfect ssolution, it's probably the best thing we have for continuing normal life. I would also add there gloves and Glasses, which could be fashionable on their own, as far as gloves could be really fucking annoying in summer, tho, but so far I survived. So... that's my position.

I also have post-translant lungs full of mucous, which happens when you are operated....surgered or how do you call that in English, my memory is acting : ( ...and it was absolutely horrible experience, long hours feeling like underwater. And that's basically what are people saiyng, when they get contained with Covid, so I would not wish my experience to be replicated to others.

 

[Hulk_Smash]

Until this virus is either under control and or theirs a vaccine. The fact you think this will be forever proves your just a fear mongering and worried about your rights when the more important thing is to keep people safe. And yes I will, especially being a teacher and interacting with thousands of kids in mt school daily I will gladly wear one and they to so they dont get anything and take it home and get their family sick especially if they or their family is vulnerable

But why not wear the mask all year round if it works? I mean it if reduces the chance of getting 1 virus that only kills less than 2% of the ones that contract it, then surely it will reduce the chances of getting other deadly viruses.

“It's not 100% solution, however if it does help to reduce spread, where is the harm.”

So why not where the mask all year round, pandemic or not? What’s the harm?

 

[Maxwell Jacob Friedman]

But why not wear the mask all year round if it works? I mean it if reduces the chance of getting 1 virus that only kills less than 2% of the ones that contract it, then surely it will reduce the chances of getting other deadly viruses.

“It's not 100% solution, however if it does help to reduce spread, where is the harm.”

So why not where the mask all year round, pandemic or not? What’s the harm?

Because like a stated again other viruses compared to this one are not as easily transmitted compared to the covid one.
We actually have a flu season where the strain comes and goes each year and get this we have flu vaccine which cover a good amount of the strains.

covid is not a seasonal thing, its a human thing. Where as we keep making stupid decisions no matter what time of year we are inor season it will always be here and hit hard. Also we do not yet have a vaccine for said covid yet.

also covid hasnt been around even a year yet and already it had or close to passing yearly deaths with the flu and we still arent even at the year mark yet. I hope this will generally teach people proper hygiene when its all done and go wash hands more effectively and frequently. And the old mentality of work and if your sick, dont go into work and stay home much like my case now, if I feel sick I have to stay home maybe 4 days until a test proves im negative

 

[LaughingStock]

I only wear masks to enter places where it's mandatory. Otherwise i would never wear it.

 

[Hulk_Smash]

Because like a stated again other viruses compared to this one are not as easily transmitted compared to the covid one.
We actually have a flu season where the strain comes and goes each year and get this we have flu vaccine which cover a good amount of the strains.

covid is not a seasonal thing, its a human thing. Where as we keep making stupid decisions no matter what time of year we are inor season it will always be here and hit hard. Also we do not yet have a vaccine for said covid yet.

also covid hasnt been around even a year yet and already it had or close to passing yearly deaths with the flu and we still arent even at the year mark yet. I hope this will generally teach people proper hygiene when its all done and go wash hands more effectively and frequently. And the old mentality of work and if your sick, dont go into work and stay home much like my case now, if I feel sick I have to stay home maybe 4 days until a test proves im negative

COVID is never going away. Even with a vaccine. Vaccines for viruses are notoriously inconsistent. Even vaccines for bacteria-based diseases never fully go away. Once a new virus enters the fray, it here to stay. Besides, even if the vaccine works, we may be another year or longer (maybe never) from having a working vaccine for COVID-19.

Are you prepared for wearing that mask every day for the rest of your life?

 

[Cycom]

Fuck the masks. YOU want to wear them, go ahead. YOU want to be a dumbass and wear them in 100 degree heat while walking down the street, go ahead. YOU want to wear them while you’re inside your car, go ahead. YOU have a pre-existing condition, wear a face shield/something else or just stay home.
Get the fuck out of the way of those trying to live/rebuild their lives. Just fuck off, please.